New Hampshire GOP poll (presidency)

[whitehall]

If Hilary runs on the democrat ticket any republican can win.

 

[JoeB131]

When Rand Paul is almost ahead of Chris Christie in a north eastern state, you know the time to Restore the Rule of Law [Constitution] is soon at hand.

How much fraud will the GOP engage in to destroy Rand Paul's candidacy?

Chris Christie-21%
Rand Paul - 16%
Jeb Bush - 10%
Paul Ryan - 8%
Marco Rubio - 6%
Ted Cruz - 4%
Rick Perry - 4%
Scott Walker - 2% (+1%)

1) Craaaaaazy Rand isn't ahead of Chris Christie.

2) Polls this far out are meaningless.

3) Combine in relatively "sane" GOP candidates who won't run or will drop out after Iowa, and "Not quite as crazy" easily wins.

4) If the GOP has a major brain-fart and nominates Christie, he'll lose by Goldwater level proportions.

 

[JoeB131]

Rand Paul is too popular among repubicans.

which is a sad commentary on Republicans these days.

I remember when Republicans used to be sane.

 

[PredFan]

All aboard the Klown Kar.

Take a seat cuz it will be filling up soon.

Especially since you take up two seats fatass.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If Rand Paul stays economically conservative but moves toward independents and centrists on social and other issues, he could make himself very appealing.

 

[JoeB131]

If Rand Paul stays economically conservative but moves toward independents and centrists on social and other issues, he could make himself very appealing.

Not really.

No great love of the Christian nutbags, but they really aren't the problem the GOP has.

A guy who could do real damage is a GOP guy who is conservative on social issues and liberal on economic ones.

Like Mike Huckabee, who really had the GOP Establishment crapping its pants in 2008.

 

[rightwinger]

We saw the same phenomenon with Ron Paul in pre election polling. Somehow, Ron Paul always came out ahead in pre election polling

When it came to actual voting......Paul disappeared

 

[JakeStarkey]

If Rand Paul stays economically conservative but moves toward independents and centrists on social and other issues, he could make himself very appealing.

Not really.

No great love of the Christian nutbags, but they really aren't the problem the GOP has.

A guy who could do real damage is a GOP guy who is conservative on social issues and liberal on economic ones.

Like Mike Huckabee, who really had the GOP Establishment crapping its pants in 2008.

I think 2016 is going to see an evolving electorate that will make your suggestion moot.

However, I agree with you on 2008. If McCain had not been able to split the conservative vote, Huckabee would have been the nominee and might have beat Obama if the economy had waited two more weeks to tank.

 

[jon_berzerk]

When Rand Paul is almost ahead of Chris Christie in a north eastern state, you know the time to Restore the Rule of Law [Constitution] is soon at hand.

How much fraud will the GOP engage in to destroy Rand Paul's candidacy?

Chris Christie-21%
Rand Paul - 16%
Jeb Bush - 10%
Paul Ryan - 8%
Marco Rubio - 6%
Ted Cruz - 4%
Rick Perry - 4%
Scott Walker - 2% (+1%)

at this point in time i would

have a hard time voting for anyone of them

 

[CrusaderFrank]

When Rand Paul is almost ahead of Chris Christie in a north eastern state, you know the time to Restore the Rule of Law [Constitution] is soon at hand.

How much fraud will the GOP engage in to destroy Rand Paul's candidacy?

Chris Christie-21%
Rand Paul - 16%
Jeb Bush - 10%
Paul Ryan - 8%
Marco Rubio - 6%
Ted Cruz - 4%
Rick Perry - 4%
Scott Walker - 2% (+1%)

1) Craaaaaazy Rand isn't ahead of Chris Christie.

2) Polls this far out are meaningless.

3) Combine in relatively "sane" GOP candidates who won't run or will drop out after Iowa, and "Not quite as crazy" easily wins.

4) If the GOP has a major brain-fart and nominates Christie, he'll lose by Goldwater level proportions.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Soros ran that poll to show his bot Christie is the GOP Favorite, fuck both of them

 

[jon_berzerk]

When Rand Paul is almost ahead of Chris Christie in a north eastern state, you know the time to Restore the Rule of Law [Constitution] is soon at hand.

How much fraud will the GOP engage in to destroy Rand Paul's candidacy?

1) Craaaaaazy Rand isn't ahead of Chris Christie.

2) Polls this far out are meaningless.

3) Combine in relatively "sane" GOP candidates who won't run or will drop out after Iowa, and "Not quite as crazy" easily wins.

4) If the GOP has a major brain-fart and nominates Christie, he'll lose by Goldwater level proportions.

that is one hell of a "one flew over the cuckoos nest" picture of biden

but he has an assortment of them

 

[JoeB131]

If Rand Paul stays economically conservative but moves toward independents and centrists on social and other issues, he could make himself very appealing.

Not really.

No great love of the Christian nutbags, but they really aren't the problem the GOP has.

A guy who could do real damage is a GOP guy who is conservative on social issues and liberal on economic ones.

Like Mike Huckabee, who really had the GOP Establishment crapping its pants in 2008.

I think 2016 is going to see an evolving electorate that will make your suggestion moot.

However, I agree with you on 2008. If McCain had not been able to split the conservative vote, Huckabee would have been the nominee and might have beat Obama if the economy had waited two more weeks to tank.

McCain didn't split the conservative vote. Conservatives wanted no part of him.

Let's look at what really happened.

McCain and Guiliani vied for the North-East Republican moderates who have an outsized influence in the party because of New Hampshire. Unfortunately, Guliani didn't really contest NH, thinking he could just run on Super Tuesday saying "Noun-verb-9/11."

Meanwhile a Weird Mormon Robot tried to hide his liberalism and appeal to conservatives, but conservatives were having none of it.

Fred Thompson tried to swoop in, but he was really running as a stalking horse for his buddy McCain.

So that left Huckabee, a guy who was socially conservative but not really into the "Jesus was into tax cuts for rich people" string of Christianity that infects much of the GOP. Well, when he won a primary or two, people started shitting their pants. The business Republicans tried to prop up Romney, saw people were still not buying it, and then got behind McCain.

Who lost spectacularly.

You see, this is the real problem. The Christian Conservatives don't have anything at stake in economic conservatism. (Really, no one does but the 1% who own half of everything and still want more.) There's nothing in it for them. But promise them you'll ban abortion and stop them homos from getting married, and they'll follow you to the gates of Hell.

And as much as I don't like it, America is 80% Christian. A guy who can talk social conservatism AND economic justice would probably get a pretty good following if people were paying attention.

 

[Wry Catcher]

When Rand Paul is almost ahead of Chris Christie in a north eastern state, you know the time to Restore the Rule of Law [Constitution] is soon at hand.

How much fraud will the GOP engage in to destroy Rand Paul's candidacy?

Chris Christie-21%
Rand Paul - 16%
Jeb Bush - 10%
Paul Ryan - 8%
Marco Rubio - 6%
Ted Cruz - 4%
Rick Perry - 4%
Scott Walker - 2% (+1%)

This list suggests the GOP has learned nothing and the GOP debates - limited apparently to Fox News - will be as ridiculous in content and cast as in 2012.

If the GOP wants to be competitive, they best move to the center and cast aside the those who want to effect radical change.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"McCain didn't split the conservative vote" was misconstructed by me, yes.

The conservative vote split among the so called "conservatives" allowed McCain to take the nomination, yes.

The conservative vote in 2016 will have far less impact in the national election than in 2008.

Rand has to appeal to the middle.

 

[Katzndogz]

No discussion of the 2016 election is meaningful because the democrats haven't felt the effects of obama's holy war yet. After the Syrian exercise fails and blows up in the democrat face it will be time enough to figure out who democrats can dig up that won't be poisoned by obama.

 

[rightwinger]

No discussion of the 2016 election is meaningful because the democrats haven't felt the effects of obama's holy war yet. After the Syrian exercise fails and blows up in the democrat face it will be time enough to figure out who democrats can dig up that won't be poisoned by obama.

The sky is falling!.........The sky is falling!

Same hopes and dreams Republicans had in 2012. How did Obama will fail chanted for four years work out?

Republicans need to show that they are players. The party of No will not get you elected president. Unless they can come up with new policy that they can sell the American people....they will fail

 

[JakeStarkey]

Syria will in no way impact the campaign of 2016.

America has been conducting small overseas campaigns on the African and Near East coasts for more than 200 years.

 

[Katzndogz]

obama is in good shape, as long as there is no retaliation. Campaigns against a coastal African village is pretty safe.

One of obama's worst missteps is in thinking that he can fire missiles and no one will do anything. He can lob 24 hours worth of cruise missiles at Syria and absolutely nothing will happen.

All he has to do is be wrong, as he often is, and democrats are through for generations.

 

[JakeStarkey]

very doubtful, that, I think, but time will tell