New deal with Cuba

[Roadrunner]

Obabble glories in another magic announcement...then stumbles on to the next crisis to take advantage of...and Cuba will be left for the fat cats and the thugs. Having said that I would like a Cuban cigar before I'm dead.

Meyer Lansky never got over losing his casinos in Havana...he's the one behind the exploding ceegar for Fidel. I'll say this though....anybody with a wad of cash and a lust for vintage American cars could do alright heading in there...that's all they've had to drive for the last 50 years and there's some freakin classics rolling around as taxi cabs!

I'm thinking this may turn out fine.

They have some of the finest fishing in the world, and, the resource has barely been touched.

I have a nephew there now, doing God knows what, but, my boys keep in touch with him.

I imagine a man could live like God down there on $1,000 a month.

Perhaps.........but for how many months?

You mean before you got tired of it?

I don't know, maybe they have deer hunting for when fishing got tiresome?

I have a hard time staying anywhere for more than a month.

My kids say I should sell the house, and get a travel trailer and a Suburban.

Not really a bad idea.

That's what I would do if grandma wasn't in charge of two gorgeous grandkids for ten hours a day...I'm fucked....but love those kids.

I am literally free enough to move to Cuba.

It would be like Florida was, but without the rednecks and Jews.

 

[kiwiman127]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

 

[Vigilante]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

Yes, it could and Cuba can simply transport US products to such countries as Iran, N.Korea, and even Russia which have been banned to send to those hostile regimes, thereby undercutting sanctions.

 

[Toro]

Latin American historian Thomas E. Skidmore says there had been 550 executions in the first six months of 1959.[20] British historian Hugh Thomas, in his study Cuba or the pursuit of freedom[21] stated that "perhaps" 5,000 executions had taken place by 1970,[20] while The World Handbook of Political and Social Indicators ascertained that there had been 2,113 political executions between the years of 1958-67.[20]
Professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, Rudolph J. Rummel estimated the number of political executions at between 4,000 and 33,000 from 1958–87, with a mid range of 15,000.[22]
One estimate from The Black Book of Communism is that throughout Cuba 15,000–17,000 people were executed.

Meanwhile, Pinochet's security forces were waging a dirty war against former Allende government officials and leftist leaders. The most vicious repression occurred in the weeks directly following the coup; among those tortured and killed were two American citizens, Frank Terrugi and Charles Horman, subject of the Hollywood film, Missing. Chilean government commissions later reported that the regime killed or "disappeared" 3,197 people.

Thousands more were arbitrarily detained, tortured and forced into exile. ...

In January 1976, after the junta had weathered 27 months of negative international publicity about its abuses, [Republican Senator Jesse] Helms argued that Chile was a friend to the United States and deserved Washington's support. Sounding some of his favorite political themes, Helms said that Chile under Pinochet, ... was "trying to restore its deep Christian traditions, and rebuild its priorities in favor of the cultivation of the home and the family and spiritual values."

Deadly Alliance News Feature Indy Week

 

[Toro]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

Yes, it could and Cuba can simply transport US products to such countries as Iran, N.Korea, and even Russia which have been banned to send to those hostile regimes, thereby undercutting sanctions.

So could China.

Should we ban trade with China too?

 

[kiwiman127]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

Yes, it could and Cuba can simply transport US products to such countries as Iran, N.Korea, and even Russia which have been banned to send to those hostile regimes, thereby undercutting sanctions.

Don't you think that your claim is kinda a stretch. Most exports would be agriculture and domestic living related. I'm pretty sure we won't be exporting weapons to Cuba.

 

[Vigilante]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

Yes, it could and Cuba can simply transport US products to such countries as Iran, N.Korea, and even Russia which have been banned to send to those hostile regimes, thereby undercutting sanctions.

So could China.

Should we ban trade with China too?

We can't, they OWN us!

 

[Toro]

Mess in Venezuela Is One Reason Cuba Turned to the U.S. - Bloomberg

 

[Vigilante]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

Yes, it could and Cuba can simply transport US products to such countries as Iran, N.Korea, and even Russia which have been banned to send to those hostile regimes, thereby undercutting sanctions.

Don't you think that your claim is kinda a stretch. Most exports would be agriculture and domestic living related. I'm pretty sure we won't be exporting weapons to Cuba.

I think you should check to see what sanctions are on Iran, N.Korea and Russia!

 

[blackhawk]

What makes anyone think a post Castro Cuba will be any different than the Castro run Cuba? There seems to be one constant in countries controlled by dictators over a long period of time when they fall another rises up and takes their place.

Same reason why communism has collapsed everywhere else in the world.

It hasn't collapsed in China or North Korea it seems to be making a comeback in Russia and you have to think the Castor brothers have someone waiting in the wings for when they bite the dust.

 

[Flash]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

A few people will make a lot of money. That is probably the root of everything. A few high money donors were able to get to the right people in the corrupt Obama Administration. I bet if someone was to follow the money it would lead to the answer of why Obama did this stupid thing.

Meanwhile American dollars will be used to fiance a very brutal regime. I thought you Liberals didn't like the idea of supporting brutal regimes? You sure as hell have complained about other administrations and other countries.

I really think that most people don't give a damn about normalizing relations with Cuba. The only reason the Libtards jumped on that bandwagon today is that Obama did it and they do love and support their Messiah.

 

[kiwiman127]

You should walk into any grocery store in Cuba, these are always empty areas on the shelves.
Secondly, I think your fear is unwarranted. It's not like any of those countries can't get agriculture/domestic use products from nearby neighbors.
Yep Vigilante, I think you are getting carried away.

 

[deltex1]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

As long as we send the Cubans EBT cards and welfare checks, maybe they will be able to buy our trash. I'll call Nancy and see what she can do.

 

[Little-Acorn]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba.

What new policies?

Has Congress repealed the embargo they put in place in 1963, as well as the other similar acts before and since?

 

[rightwinger]

This is awesome.

For over 50 years, we've been punishing Cuba for essentially rejecting us. It might have made sense during the Cold War when Fidel was sending mercenaries all over and otherwise causing trouble, but after 1989, it was nothing than the Loudmouths in Miami holding our politics hostage.

Good for Obama!

It is amazing this has gone on for 50 years because of the political clout of a small band of expats in Miami

 

[rightwinger]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba.

What new policies?

Has Congress repealed the embargo they put in place in 1963, as well as the other similar acts before and since?

Obama is calling Congresses hand

Put up or shut up

 

[squeeze berry]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba.

What new policies?

Has Congress repealed the embargo they put in place in 1963, as well as the other similar acts before and since?

Obama is calling Congresses hand

Put up or shut up

don't get too excited RW you may shit your pants..
let's wait to see what happens first, mmmmkay?

 

[BULLDOG]

What goes around comes around libs I don't want to hear any whining and crying from you people about what the next Republican president does.

Don't worry about that. The next republican president won't be around until we are all old and gray. No time soon.

Says the side that just got their ass handed to them in a national election. Hey you libs only need 40 seats in the House to reclaim the majority AHAHAHA!

Believe what you want, but that little midterm election wasn't nearly the indicator you want it to be.

 

[kiwiman127]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

Yes, it could and Cuba can simply transport US products to such countries as Iran, N.Korea, and even Russia which have been banned to send to those hostile regimes, thereby undercutting sanctions.

Don't you think that your claim is kinda a stretch. Most exports would be agriculture and domestic living related. I'm pretty sure we won't be exporting weapons to Cuba.

I think you should check to see what sanctions are on Iran, N.Korea and Russia!

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

A few people will make a lot of money. That is probably the root of everything. A few high money donors were able to get to the right people in the corrupt Obama Administration. I bet if someone was to follow the money it would lead to the answer of why Obama did this stupid thing.

Meanwhile American dollars will be used to fiance a very brutal regime. I thought you Liberals didn't like the idea of supporting brutal regimes? You sure as hell have complained about other administrations and other countries.

I really think that most people don't give a damn about normalizing relations with Cuba. The only reason the Libtards jumped on that bandwagon today is that Obama did it and they do love and support their Messiah.

Well, as a majority of Americans from all sides of the aisle favor normalizing relations with Cuba and have for quite awhile. Add the pro-business and agriculture organizations I listed in a previous post, that's a lot of people who favor improved relations with Cuba.
The Embargo didn't work, why do people want to keep on doing that hasn't worked?
Somebody is out of step with the real world here.
Oh and Flash, you are way too paranoid.

 

[kiwiman127]

The Chamber of Commerce backs the normalization of relations with Cuba, so does pro-business groups the National Foreign Trade Council and USA*Engage, along with the National Farmers Union.
Normalization of Relations will create more permanent jobs than the Keystone pipeline, in the exporting/importing sector, the agriculture sector and the tourism industry. Plus new markets for US products would generate job growth in manufacturing..

As long as we send the Cubans EBT cards and welfare checks, maybe they will be able to buy our trash. I'll call Nancy and see what she can do.

Wow, some people.
We are talking about improving relations with Cuba. Foreign aid isn't on the table and will never be on the table as long as Cuba has a communist government. When has the US given foreign aid to a communist country?
Get a grip here folks.