New deal with Cuba

[mudwhistle]

All I can say is he didn't learn a thing from his thrashing that he received from Putin.

Nuff said.

 

[JoeB131]

This is awesome.

For over 50 years, we've been punishing Cuba for essentially rejecting us. It might have made sense during the Cold War when Fidel was sending mercenaries all over and otherwise causing trouble, but after 1989, it was nothing than the Loudmouths in Miami holding our politics hostage.

Good for Obama!

 

[Roadrunner]

I agree! That little puke Marco Rubio has been running his mouth all day saying he will unravel Obama's new Cuban policy.

Rubio's family ran from your hero Fidel, asshole....the Rubios know what communism is.....too bad you'll never have to find out.

When the Castros die, any chance they will pack up and leave???

; - )

 

[Vigilante]

Our subversive communists here complain about the CIA waterboarding but PRAISE the little Hitler, Fidel, who, of course, our Communist in chief enables, BUT, as usual, NO OUTRAGE over this, and many others coming out of Fidel's Gulags!

For former Cuban political prisoner Ariel Sigler Amaya's response, just look at what more than seven years in Castro's prison did to him:

 

[Roadrunner]

Castro and Che Guevera....marxist "freedom fighters" obama can relate to...

They'd have shot the little prick.

One look at his never-blistered hands, and bam.

 

[Roadrunner]

It's about time. Maybe I can buy another '57 Chevy to replace the one my dad sold for $125 when I went on active duty (it was a two-door station wagon (210); a few year ago I saw the same model at a car show all tricked out with a price tag of $25,000!

It's about time, the embargo hurt the Cuban people and simply made Castro stronger. It's time to establish diplomatic relations and put a MLB team in Havana and allow me to buy a '57 Nomad.

57 chevy nomad station wagon - Google Search

Not sure about the MLB team in Havana since the Cubans in Miami cannot support the Marlins even when they put the stadium on their font door.

Well, okay. Cuba has produced some fine ball players. Can I still dream about finding that Nomad?

I want to surf fish for yard long speckled trout that have never seen a lure.

 

[Roadrunner]

Obabble glories in another magic announcement...then stumbles on to the next crisis to take advantage of...and Cuba will be left for the fat cats and the thugs. Having said that I would like a Cuban cigar before I'm dead.

Meyer Lansky never got over losing his casinos in Havana...he's the one behind the exploding ceegar for Fidel. I'll say this though....anybody with a wad of cash and a lust for vintage American cars could do alright heading in there...that's all they've had to drive for the last 50 years and there's some freakin classics rolling around as taxi cabs!

I'm thinking this may turn out fine.

They have some of the finest fishing in the world, and, the resource has barely been touched.

I have a nephew there now, doing God knows what, but, my boys keep in touch with him.

I imagine a man could live like God down there on $1,000 a month.

 

[Roadrunner]

What makes anyone think a post Castro Cuba will be any different than the Castro run Cuba? There seems to be one constant in countries controlled by dictators over a long period of time when they fall another rises up and takes their place.

Some people need dictators.

That is our problem, we get pissed when they pick dictators we don't approve of.

 

[Zander]

Cuba is a worker's paradise with all the modern conveniences of the 1950's.

Looks like that will change

Who will sell them modern conveniences?

Not sure. maybe there are "Socialist" companies who are willing to accept payment in cows? or 57 Chevy's?

 

[Roadrunner]

A swap of prisoners and sweeping new policies kick start a new era of relations with Cuba. Considering the policies in force since 1961 have done little, it could lead to more normal relations with the soon-to-be post-Castro Cuba.

Cuba releases American Alan Gross in prisoner swap - CNN.com

When can we go fishing?

My nephew just went to Cuba; I am sure he will claim credit for the policy change, but, really, he is down there chasing communist pussy.

he is down there chasing communist pussy.

Nothing like a little variety....

I since found out it is domestic communist pussy he is chasing.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Cuba is a worker's paradise with all the modern conveniences of the 1950's.

The '50's are the first stop on the conservative dream of taking us back to the 19th century, what are you complaining about?

 

[NYcarbineer]

No, it's not. That's just your way of saying you can't back it up, so you're running away.

You're just being purposely obtuse, THAT was what I meant. Sorry, you'll have to turn in your crystal ball. Your mind reading skills are bogus.

Kaz is NOT purposely obtuse, he was born obtuse.

kaz doesn't have the brains to be purposely anything.

 

[deltex1]

Obabble glories in another magic announcement...then stumbles on to the next crisis to take advantage of...and Cuba will be left for the fat cats and the thugs. Having said that I would like a Cuban cigar before I'm dead.

Meyer Lansky never got over losing his casinos in Havana...he's the one behind the exploding ceegar for Fidel. I'll say this though....anybody with a wad of cash and a lust for vintage American cars could do alright heading in there...that's all they've had to drive for the last 50 years and there's some freakin classics rolling around as taxi cabs!

I'm thinking this may turn out fine.

They have some of the finest fishing in the world, and, the resource has barely been touched.

I have a nephew there now, doing God knows what, but, my boys keep in touch with him.

I imagine a man could live like God down there on $1,000 a month.

Perhaps.........but for how many months?

 

[Roadrunner]

Obabble glories in another magic announcement...then stumbles on to the next crisis to take advantage of...and Cuba will be left for the fat cats and the thugs. Having said that I would like a Cuban cigar before I'm dead.

Meyer Lansky never got over losing his casinos in Havana...he's the one behind the exploding ceegar for Fidel. I'll say this though....anybody with a wad of cash and a lust for vintage American cars could do alright heading in there...that's all they've had to drive for the last 50 years and there's some freakin classics rolling around as taxi cabs!

I'm thinking this may turn out fine.

They have some of the finest fishing in the world, and, the resource has barely been touched.

I have a nephew there now, doing God knows what, but, my boys keep in touch with him.

I imagine a man could live like God down there on $1,000 a month.

Perhaps.........but for how many months?

You mean before you got tired of it?

I don't know, maybe they have deer hunting for when fishing got tiresome?

I have a hard time staying anywhere for more than a month.

My kids say I should sell the house, and get a travel trailer and a Suburban.

Not really a bad idea.

 

[Flash]

We should be asking you that. Consider all the time that's passed and Castro is still there. We've been giving him a boogeyman to point to when things went wrong. Isn't doing the same thing and expecting a different result a sign that all isn't well with your, I'll be kind, outlook?

Recently the Cubans were caught shipping war materials to North Korea through the Panama Canal. They are a very brutal regime. There is very little freedom in that country and communism has wrecked their economy.

The last thing we need to be doing is propping up another brutal dictaorship.

If we are going to lessen up on the economic sanctions then we need to get significant concessions in return. Obama didn't do that. Instead, being incompetent and weak, he gave away the store for nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance.

Instead of us giving into them they need to change their ways to be a more civilized country. If they don't then that is their problem, not ours. It cost us very little to keep up the pressure but it hurts them dearly. If they want to continue along their way then so be it.

Everything Obama does is wrong. Right now the bastards can continue to be a brutal communist dictatorship as bad as North Korea and they will have American dollars pouring in thanks to the incompetency and convoluted policy of that idiot Obama.

 

[deltex1]

Obabble glories in another magic announcement...then stumbles on to the next crisis to take advantage of...and Cuba will be left for the fat cats and the thugs. Having said that I would like a Cuban cigar before I'm dead.

Meyer Lansky never got over losing his casinos in Havana...he's the one behind the exploding ceegar for Fidel. I'll say this though....anybody with a wad of cash and a lust for vintage American cars could do alright heading in there...that's all they've had to drive for the last 50 years and there's some freakin classics rolling around as taxi cabs!

I'm thinking this may turn out fine.

They have some of the finest fishing in the world, and, the resource has barely been touched.

I have a nephew there now, doing God knows what, but, my boys keep in touch with him.

I imagine a man could live like God down there on $1,000 a month.

Perhaps.........but for how many months?

You mean before you got tired of it?

I don't know, maybe they have deer hunting for when fishing got tiresome?

I have a hard time staying anywhere for more than a month.

My kids say I should sell the house, and get a travel trailer and a Suburban.

Not really a bad idea.

That's what I would do if grandma wasn't in charge of two gorgeous grandkids for ten hours a day...I'm fucked....but love those kids.

 

[deltex1]

We should be asking you that. Consider all the time that's passed and Castro is still there. We've been giving him a boogeyman to point to when things went wrong. Isn't doing the same thing and expecting a different result a sign that all isn't well with your, I'll be kind, outlook?

Recently the Cubans were caught shipping war materials to North Korea through the Panama Canal. They are a very brutal regime. There is very little freedom in that country and communism has wrecked their economy.

The last thing we need to be doing is propping up another brutal dictaorship.

If we are going to lessen up on the economic sanctions then we need to get significant concessions in return. Obama didn't do that. Instead, being incompetent and weak, he gave away the store for nothing. Absolutely nothing of significance.

Instead of us giving into them they need to change their ways to be a more civilized country. If they don't then that is their problem, not ours. It cost us very little to keep up the pressure but it hurts them dearly. If they want to continue along their way then so be it.

Everything Obama does is wrong. Right now the bastards can continue to be a brutal communist dictatorship as bad as North Korea and they will have American dollars pouring in thanks to the incompetency and convoluted policy of that idiot Obama.

I like the initiative, but I do not have faith in the initiator...he will not follow thru, he will not lead, he will not managed the effort.

 

[Vigilante]

Latin American historian Thomas E. Skidmore says there had been 550 executions in the first six months of 1959.[20] British historian Hugh Thomas, in his study Cuba or the pursuit of freedom[21] stated that "perhaps" 5,000 executions had taken place by 1970,[20] while The World Handbook of Political and Social Indicators ascertained that there had been 2,113 political executions between the years of 1958-67.[20]
Professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, Rudolph J. Rummel estimated the number of political executions at between 4,000 and 33,000 from 1958–87, with a mid range of 15,000.[22]
One estimate from The Black Book of Communism is that throughout Cuba 15,000–17,000 people were executed.

 

[Toro]

Take your hands out of your pants and deal with reality. No one is infatuated with Putin, you are infatuated with Democratic politicians and just mindlessly repeat whatever they tell you.

You can dish out but you can't take it, can you? Call people Marxists when they aren't, then cry that you're being treated unfairly. You're a joke. No one is infatuated with Putin?!?! Anyone that's been on the board for more than a day, knows that's false.

We're not infatuated with Putin. When we compare Putin to Obama, Putin comes out on top. He's a real man; Obama is a pile of shit.

Real men turn their currency to shit!

 

[Toro]

What makes anyone think a post Castro Cuba will be any different than the Castro run Cuba? There seems to be one constant in countries controlled by dictators over a long period of time when they fall another rises up and takes their place.

Same reason why communism has collapsed everywhere else in the world.