New and Improved Version of 'Bush Did It"

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    In his speech last night, President Obama claimed that he was coming to the rescue of embattled American troops in Aghanistan, unlike the naughty and oblivious Bush Administration:

    'In his speech to the nation last night, President Obama claimed that ‘Commanders in Afghanistan repeatedly asked for support to deal with the reemergence of the Taliban, but these reinforcements did not arrive.’ '

    Upon hearing this, former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld chanted something about "pants on fire," including phrases such as

    "does a disservice to the truth"

    " a bald misstatement"

    and went on to suggest a verification process:

    " I suggest that the Congress review the President’s assertion in the forthcoming debate and determine exactly what requests were made, who made them, and where and why in the chain of command they were denied.”

    Did President 'Hope and Change" fib?

    Say it ain't so, Joe.

    Rumsfeld denies Obama claim - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
     
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    Rummy buggered Iraq, forgot afghanistan, and is famous for "Known unknowns".

    You really want to take that guy seriously?

    Honestly..

    When unarmoured hummers are patrolling every day. When "Hillbilly Armour" is on the menu...Of course this guy feels safe in Iraq. He's in a Rhino.
     
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    Welcome to the board, Alvin.

    Curious that you inadvertantly used the word 'Honestly..'

    Now, I understand that to you this is a mere cliche, meaning 'Isn't my point just brilliant, you know, that Rumsfeld did things that I disagree with, so he has no right to speak, and if he is correct, we should ignore him anyway.'

    But just for a moment, let's hypothesize that you were a thinking human being who has the ability to judge the truth, no matter the source... a bit of a stretch, huh?

    But just go with it for a moment.

    What is the effect that you fear vis-a-vis the respect folks have for a President who would tell any lie to strengthen his own position, or, as the OP states, use the new and improved version of 'Bush did it.'?

    And here is the irony that said thinking human being would be aware of:

    If the President was not such a small person, and did not fear giving his predecessor some credit, he could have pointed to the same kind of surge he was speaking in support of for Afghanistan, and pointed to its successin Iraq!

    Funny, huh?
     
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    All be it begrudgingly, Obama admited the surge worked to Iraq. I believe that was under some guy whose name starts with R as Secretary of Defense? As far as forgetting Afghanistan, seems he had limited reources to deploy. Has to answer to a Democratic Congress for his funding. Stuff like that.

    Honestly? I think you'd be better off breathing some helium and singing Christmas songs.
     
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    As much as I disagreed with Rumsfeld in a lot of his decisions, I simply cannot tolerate it when the President Flat out lies on national television. This joker has got to leave Washington. The sooner the better.
     
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    Short answer? - No.

    This gentleman had his chance to actually test his theories regarding world affairs, and he buggered it up royally. History, and this is the history written by the victors, showed him to be 180 degrees away from the truth. Therefor one should not take his view on the subject of troop increses as anything less than idiotic.
     
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    There is an old saying.
    "Amatures discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics" Obama is discussing logistics.
     
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    Bush does share responsibility for the current situation in Afghanistan. He had seven years to accomplish what we went there for. We should have been out of there by now. Had he done his job we wouldn't need to have this discussion. That doesn't mean that I think Obama is going to fare any better. I frankly don't know why he is going to send another 30,000 Americans into harms way when he doesn't have the will to do what is necessary to achieve victory. We are better off just pulling out at this point.
     
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    Now you are repeating a flaccid excuse for not caring as to the veracity of the charges made by the secretary.

    Further, you lack understanding of the article referenced in the OP, if you believe that
    "one should not take his view ..."

    My new friend, it is not Rumsfeld's 'view,' but rather whether he is telling the truth or President Obama is telling the truth.

    The truth matters, doen't it, Alvin?

    And since Secretary Rumsfeld has called for a Congressional investigation, it seems that the preponderance of hypothesizing should be in his favor, no?

    Further, it would show intiative on your part if you were to venture an explanation of why the President might make up history out of 'whole cloth.'

    Care to do so?

    Or, you can simply shrug your shoulders and wander off.
     
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    Mr Obama is discussing politics. Nothing more and nothing less. It is all he knows.
     
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