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I'm not embarassed at all. I'm not the one with faulty reasoning powers.
Wow, them's big words.
Goldberg is either mocking his readers or, if he's serious, is exposing himself as proto-totalitarian.
Al,
Are aware that on the axis of leftwing/rightwing ideology fascism is extreme rightwing?
Al,
Are aware that on the axis of leftwing/rightwing ideology fascism is extreme rightwing?
Diuretic, it's easy to criticize everyone else, but you're making statements about a book you haven't even read. That deserves at least as much criticism as someone leaving the TV knob stuck on FoxNews. There's nothing in Goldberg's book that is pro-totalitarian, and yes he's serious.
It is Doublethink in action. Doublethink is a tool for manipulation of the populace and damnit, it works!
That may or may not be true, but it's hard to take seriously when you are arguing from an uninformed position. I mean, your statement about pro-totalitarianism, which is demonstrably false if you read the work, seems to indicate a bias. Newspeak/Doublethink etc. seem to be convenient catch phrases to attach to something you don't like but don't really want to know enough about to attack substantively.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761568245/fascism.html
"Fascism, modern political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity. Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of fascism, attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths. As a result, fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence.
Agreed it's radical right-wing, but we're no where near this point as a country and neither is the Republican party.
The CIA only is authorized to operate overseas. The FBI operates in this country. Theoretically that is their respective spheres of influence. FBI is a police force. There's a difference.
Now ook at your definition... Heightenened nationalism OR ethnic identity. It doesn't require both. So who is it who isn't reading?
Fascism is associated with naziism, hence your confusion. But naziism also had other things wrapped up with it.
Ok, fair enough....so we we're a fascist state any time we unite under one flag. Say during World War II? Or directly after 9-11 when everyone was waving their American flag?
Then every country that shows patriotism and a sense of nationality is a fascist state then? If nationalism is the key component, then let me tell you, there are more people in other countries that are willing to unite under their flags and fight for their country. As far as the U.S. goes, if the government is pushing "Fascism" their not doing a very good job of it.
The hyper nationalism is only one aspect. There were quite a few other requirements that I linked to. You know my feelings on this subject. I think they've made enough inroads where our antennae should be up.
FWIW, I hate false shows of patriotism... the whole magnetized "support our troops" garbage.. by people who don't care that over 4,000 of them have died for an unnecessary war.... and don't care that the ones who are wounded aren't getting the help they need, quickly enough.
Also, the whole flag stickpin thing...from people who have and who want to eviscerate the constitution, that galls me incredibly. So I guess maybe the whole fake patriotism thing seems rather unhealthy to me... particularly when the people wearing those flags and using those magnets aren't railing against warrantless wiretaps. So their protestations of patriotism ring rather hollow.
Why would anyone debate a work that should be labeled as fiction, life is too short to argue over a book that is consistently shown to be revisionist nonsense.
There hasn't been a showing of that from what I've seen. But at least this tells me who is interested in a discussion and who isn't. That's always useful information on an internet forum.
Don't pout, it's unbecoming. Liberalism, as Jeremy Waldron writes, is about a social order that is acceptable to the people living under it. And respects each individual living under its authority. Fascism is about the Nation and in that nationalistic fervor the individual is lost. Read the link above, very good. Comparing Liberalism with Fascism is an apple and oranges point of view. The premise is wrong why continue.