william the wie
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I did my hitch as a squid ET and regular officers hated to be around AEF (Advanced Electronics Field), Nuke or SEAL enlisted personnel because we had to be brighter than the average officer to do our jobs. And don't think USAF does anything different. Jacksonville has one of the highest percentage Spec Op retirement communities in the nation. Although I don't know the percentages I do know that the only USAF spec op retiree I know on a first name basis is an ex-butter bar who put in for demotion to E-5 to get into Spec Ops and retired as a Chief Master Sergeant. Here's the areas of disagreement and agreement of T. Lee and yourself Whitehall:
The US army has neglected (elite) Alpine warfare since it was the Royal American Army and still does.
Army command of JSOC has always been a disaster of misallocation of Spec OP resources in terms of open source mission records.
That ends the agreement. If you want an idea of how Special Operators actually perform research the exposes on Soviet era Spetnaz. Like earlier Soviet era bombers the Spetnaz idea was stolen from UK and US special operations and was based on after action reports from wars like the Philippine insurrection and Boer war. These special units were seen rarely but highly effectively in WWI and more commonly in WWII. What you get from open source materials are the miscommunications and misallocation of those units. Most SEALS serve on submarines or as advisers to the naval forces of other nations, not in the mountains of Afghanistan. The screw up you read about is entirely the result of much higher death and disability rates for Alpine training with the 10th mountain division as opposed to jumping out of airplanes. That is one promotion ticket punch the Army officer corps isn't willing to touch with a fork on the end of a bargepole. The USN has a similar reaction to mine warfare. So don't blame the people caught up in someone else's SNAFU.
The US army has neglected (elite) Alpine warfare since it was the Royal American Army and still does.
Army command of JSOC has always been a disaster of misallocation of Spec OP resources in terms of open source mission records.
That ends the agreement. If you want an idea of how Special Operators actually perform research the exposes on Soviet era Spetnaz. Like earlier Soviet era bombers the Spetnaz idea was stolen from UK and US special operations and was based on after action reports from wars like the Philippine insurrection and Boer war. These special units were seen rarely but highly effectively in WWI and more commonly in WWII. What you get from open source materials are the miscommunications and misallocation of those units. Most SEALS serve on submarines or as advisers to the naval forces of other nations, not in the mountains of Afghanistan. The screw up you read about is entirely the result of much higher death and disability rates for Alpine training with the 10th mountain division as opposed to jumping out of airplanes. That is one promotion ticket punch the Army officer corps isn't willing to touch with a fork on the end of a bargepole. The USN has a similar reaction to mine warfare. So don't blame the people caught up in someone else's SNAFU.