Navy SEALS...is it worth the hype?

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    Don't get me wrong or start sending me hate-mail, I think Sailors who endure the training and become Seals are true patriots. It's the SEAL mission I have a problem with. Seals are the evolution of WW2 and later Navy Frogmen or UDT (underwater demolition teams). During WW2 the UDT had a specific mission of gathering intelligence and paving the way for massive Marine amphibious assaults on Japanese held islands. Those days are gone. Today's Seals are a unit with a very limited mission. I rely on Marcus Luttrell's best seller "Lone Survivor" for my information on Seal training. The book is a remarkable account of survival and endurance but the mission the book was based on was a total failure. In the book Luttrell questions why Seals are on patrol at 10,000 ft in the Afghan mountains. Good question. Seals are trained to paddle rubber boats to the point of exhaustion and beyond and to withstand hypothermia. Another section of Luttrell's book says that Seals refused to be billeted with any other Military branch. The lame excuse for that little bit of arrogance is that they might blurt out some secret in their sleep. The elitism and hype is not healthy in today's Military. Seals are used on Recon missions because there is not much else for them to do. There is no shortage of Marine Recon or Ranger or Special Forces personnel. As a matter of fact a Ranger patrol rescued what was left of Luttrell's Seal team.
     
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    You really have no idea what SEALS are trained for. The mission has changed a lot since WWII, and all Spec Ops fall under a single unified command.
     
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    I refuse to say anything bad about any Special Forces. they all are the best that we have to offer. I've never known a SEAL but I've known many Green Beret. My salute to them all. And BTW contrary to popular belief, Rangers are not really Special Forces, I've known many of them too.
     
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    According to Luttrell Seals keep their own identity regardless of the overall commander. SEALS are trained like no other Military unit. Their basic training is specific for water related missions and it it is outmoded. Why go through the expense of training Sailors to paddle rubber boats while unconcious while they wash out otherwise qualified personnel who can't endure extreme hypothermia?
     
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    With no offense intended to the OP, there are a lot of retards on the Pentagon staff who also have the same attitude. Fact is that the United States needs a robust special operations capability, and the SEALs are an integral part of that multi-dimensional, multi-faceted, multi-tiered capability.

    In my view, it's the conventional military that is outdated. We will very rarely see the classic battlefield confrontation. And even when we do, such as the invasion of Iraq, special operations will have played a key role that paved the way. It's the missions after the invasion of Iraq that will characterize future warfare. We learned that lesson a very long time ago in a shithole called Vietnam.

    Now I'm not saying that special operations can do it all. I'm just saying that it's the conventional military that finds itself having to adjust its tactics to nation-building, urban operations, peace-keeping and counterinsurgency: classic missions performed by special operations forces. Even so, nothing makes for a good day at the office than the ability to pick up the talkie-walkie and rain steel on a bunch of bad guys with the wrong attitudes.

    One Team One Fight.
     
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    The Signal corps is already ahead of you. We started supplying the front line guys with the military's version of a cell phone before they headed into Desert Shield.
     
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    actually it does have a place. it helps recruitment, it helps Esprit de corps and its well earned.

    AIT is as far from BUDs as the back side of the moon is to us.
     
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    Because they know they can do that that, and they know their exact physical limits. That means they know what they can, and cannot, do.
     
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    When legendary coach Paul "bear" Bryant took over the football program in Texas A&M in the early 1950's he decided the players were weak and needed toughening up so he took the squad out to a place called Junction and worked the players in ways that might be considered criminal today. By the time he was finished he washed out many team members and had the toughest players ever to wear the A&M uniform. They went on to lose every game but one the next season. Seals wash out a lot of good and skilled men in order to come up with Sailors who are able to paddle a rubber boat while unconcious. What's the point? To come up with a handful of elitist hypothermia resistant Sailors. Espirit is good, elitism is dangerous.
     
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    Tell you what, you have a problem with the SEALS? Go tell one of them to their face. The rest of us will simply give them the respect they deserve.
     
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