NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump...

[Richard-H]

Obama left Trump in a great position to negotiate with Putin. Let's see if Mr. Art of the deal has the brains to figure it out:

1. Nuclear disarmament
2. Demilitarize Europe & Russia
3. Negotiate new Ukrainian Constitution
4. Form a new security alliance that includes Russia and is designed to fight terrorism


Any other ideas?

 

[Richard-H]

NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump...

Yes, Trump bleevs we should dump NATO and serve our Soviet overlords. Good luck with that, comrade!

Y'all Trump-Haters gotta get over your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. Russia is no threat to the US/West at all. It doesn't have the capabilities to seriously take on the West. The US alone, spends almost ten times what Russia spends on its Military. Russia is vastly outmatched in every aspect. Militarily and economically, it's not even close. And that's compared with just the US. Western European nations are very wealthy nations. They also have a huge edge over Russia, militarily and economically.

But besides being so outmatched, Russia has no interest in invading and occupying Western Europe. What would it stand to gain? The answer is, nothing. And even at the height of Soviet Union power, it couldn't have successfully invaded and occupied Western Europe. So it certainly couldn't do it now. It just doesn't have the capabilities. Y'all really do need to get past your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. It's unfounded and irrational.

I don't agree that Russia is no threat at all to the US/West. No, they aren't going to march in here and overcome us militarily. They will undermine our relationships with Europe and they will take over there instead. You watch. Russia wants stuff. They will get it if they are left to their own devices. NATO is the only thing stopping them.

They can get as much as they want as long as it's thru free market and not thru military domination.

 

[jwoodie]

We have not allowed either Germany or Japan to create a armed forces and it is even in the Japanese constitution we imposed on them.

They are free to do what they want to do, just as we were free to stay in Iraq if we wanted to.

P.S. Do you think sending special ops to Iraq NOW violates the SOFA?

 

[Dschrute3]

NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump...

Yes, Trump bleevs we should dump NATO and serve our Soviet overlords. Good luck with that, comrade!

Y'all Trump-Haters gotta get over your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. Russia is no threat to the US/West at all. It doesn't have the capabilities to seriously take on the West. The US alone, spends almost ten times what Russia spends on its Military. Russia is vastly outmatched in every aspect. Militarily and economically, it's not even close. And that's compared with just the US. Western European nations are very wealthy nations. They also have a huge edge over Russia, militarily and economically.

But besides being so outmatched, Russia has no interest in invading and occupying Western Europe. What would it stand to gain? The answer is, nothing. And even at the height of Soviet Union power, it couldn't have successfully invaded and occupied Western Europe. So it certainly couldn't do it now. It just doesn't have the capabilities. Y'all really do need to get past your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. It's unfounded and irrational.

Putin is our enemy, whether you believe so or not...

And if NATO is obsolete, and not needed...then WHY does Putin WANT it dismantled?

And yes, our military might is greater than all nations combined but Russia is stronger and bigger and better than us with Cyber Warring, stealing ALL of our CIA intelligence and having wikileaks disseminate it to the public, weakening our own nations protections against enemies and terrorists....

NATO also exists in a much closer range to where our enemies are in the middle east, and also secures the ''other'' entrance to the USA by air or sea and contains China, Russia, north Korea etc from the Atlantic side before they cross the Atlantic...

When I lived in Northern Italy, Aviano Air Force Station, it was a NATO facility, strictly for military intelligence COMMUNICATIONS Squadrons, that were there for Eaves dropping on the Soviets....it was before the Soviet Bloc fell, but still important today and an even larger facility, a 'base' vs a 'station', today...and I didn't know the half of what was going on there...it was all top secret..dad knew and knows, but he's never leaked a peep to us....

I believe there is much much much more to our NATO Bases and positioning than I will ever know or you will ever know...and we can say all we want that we should close all of our NATO bases and just get out of NATO yadahdahdahdahdah.... but quite frankly, you and I are making such judgements, without truly knowing what all they are used for and needed for when it comes to our national security...

Sounds like you've been thoroughly propagandized. Russia has nothing to gain by invading and occupying Western European nations. And it doesn't have the capabilities to do it anyway. It's completely outmatched by the US and Western Europe in every respect. But the most important point is, Russia has no interest in war with the US and Western Europe. So your Russia Boogeyman hysteria really is irrational. It's wacky paranoia.

And i'm guessing most of the hysteria comes from the fact y'all lost the Election to Trump. It's TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). Y'all aren't thinking rationally. You're allowing your petty hate for Donald Trump to cloud your judgment. We don't need another Cold War or WWIII, just because y'all are angry about losing an Election. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail. You folks need be calm and rational. I hope you consider that. I really do.

 

[Dschrute3]

NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump...

Yes, Trump bleevs we should dump NATO and serve our Soviet overlords. Good luck with that, comrade!

Y'all Trump-Haters gotta get over your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. Russia is no threat to the US/West at all. It doesn't have the capabilities to seriously take on the West. The US alone, spends almost ten times what Russia spends on its Military. Russia is vastly outmatched in every aspect. Militarily and economically, it's not even close. And that's compared with just the US. Western European nations are very wealthy nations. They also have a huge edge over Russia, militarily and economically.

But besides being so outmatched, Russia has no interest in invading and occupying Western Europe. What would it stand to gain? The answer is, nothing. And even at the height of Soviet Union power, it couldn't have successfully invaded and occupied Western Europe. So it certainly couldn't do it now. It just doesn't have the capabilities. Y'all really do need to get past your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. It's unfounded and irrational.

I don't agree that Russia is no threat at all to the US/West. No, they aren't going to march in here and overcome us militarily. They will undermine our relationships with Europe and they will take over there instead. You watch. Russia wants stuff. They will get it if they are left to their own devices. NATO is the only thing stopping them.

Fantasy gibberish. Russia is significantly limited both militarily and economically. Obviously there's still competition between the sides, but Russia can't do much harm to the US/West. It's just not in a position to do so.

The two sides definitely don't love each other, they aren't completely over the Cold War mentality. But that's more so the case with the US/West. Russia has moved on for the most part. This Russia hysteria is unfounded and irrational. Y'all Trump-Haters need to calm down. Period, end of story.

 

[Dschrute3]

NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump...

Yes, Trump bleevs we should dump NATO and serve our Soviet overlords. Good luck with that, comrade!

Y'all Trump-Haters gotta get over your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. Russia is no threat to the US/West at all. It doesn't have the capabilities to seriously take on the West. The US alone, spends almost ten times what Russia spends on its Military. Russia is vastly outmatched in every aspect. Militarily and economically, it's not even close. And that's compared with just the US. Western European nations are very wealthy nations. They also have a huge edge over Russia, militarily and economically.

But besides being so outmatched, Russia has no interest in invading and occupying Western Europe. What would it stand to gain? The answer is, nothing. And even at the height of Soviet Union power, it couldn't have successfully invaded and occupied Western Europe. So it certainly couldn't do it now. It just doesn't have the capabilities. Y'all really do need to get past your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. It's unfounded and irrational.

I don't agree that Russia is no threat at all to the US/West. No, they aren't going to march in here and overcome us militarily. They will undermine our relationships with Europe and they will take over there instead. You watch. Russia wants stuff. They will get it if they are left to their own devices. NATO is the only thing stopping them.

They can get as much as they want as long as it's thru free market and not thru military domination.

Yes, that's their right as a sovereign nation. And Russia has nothing to gain by engaging in military conflict with the US/West. It has no interest in that. So all this Russia Boogeyman hysteria needs to end.

 

[g5000]

Yes, that's their right as a sovereign nation. And Russia has nothing to gain by engaging in military conflict with the US/West. It has no interest in that. So all this Russia Boogeyman hysteria needs to end.

Spoken like a true 60s comsymp hippie.

Trump is leading you Chumps into the liberal cave, just as I said he would.

 

[Dschrute3]

Yes, that's their right as a sovereign nation. And Russia has nothing to gain by engaging in military conflict with the US/West. It has no interest in that. So all this Russia Boogeyman hysteria needs to end.

Spoken like a true 60s comsymp hippie.

Trump is leading you Chumps into the liberal cave, just as I said he would.

Another TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) hissy fit. Seriously, Russia is no significant threat to the US/West. That's all just in your tiny brain. Russia has nothing to gain by war with the US/West. So y'all Trump-Haters need to calm down on the Russia Boogeyman hysteria. You're losin it.

 

[g5000]

Yes, that's their right as a sovereign nation. And Russia has nothing to gain by engaging in military conflict with the US/West. It has no interest in that. So all this Russia Boogeyman hysteria needs to end.

Spoken like a true 60s comsymp hippie.

Trump is leading you Chumps into the liberal cave, just as I said he would.

Another TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) hissy fit. Seriously, Russia is no significant threat to the US/West. That's all just in your tiny brain. Russia has nothing to gain by war with the US/West. So y'all Trump-Haters need to calm down on the Russia Boogeyman hysteria. You're losin it.

Spoken like a 60s hippie. The Russians are our friends and mean us no harm, man. Peace and love. Peace and loooooooove. Jesus loves you! Have a flower!

 

[g5000]

 

[Dschrute3]

Yes, that's their right as a sovereign nation. And Russia has nothing to gain by engaging in military conflict with the US/West. It has no interest in that. So all this Russia Boogeyman hysteria needs to end.

Spoken like a true 60s comsymp hippie.

Trump is leading you Chumps into the liberal cave, just as I said he would.

Another TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) hissy fit. Seriously, Russia is no significant threat to the US/West. That's all just in your tiny brain. Russia has nothing to gain by war with the US/West. So y'all Trump-Haters need to calm down on the Russia Boogeyman hysteria. You're losin it.

Spoken like a 60s hippie. The Russians are our friends and mean us no harm, man. Peace and love. Peace and loooooooove. Jesus loves you! Have a flower!

Well i didn't say all that, you did. And what's wrong with hippies?

 

[Rustic]

I have to say, i do respect Trump for trying to hold Western European nations accountable for not doing enough to support NATO. He really did stand up for American Taxpayers. And that's very rare these days for a US President to do so. But i'm afraid it'll all be for naught.

The Western Europeans don't seem too interested in paying more for NATO. So why keep this incredibly costly bureaucracy afloat? Why not abolish it and give American Taxpayers a much-deserved break? Western European nations rank among the most wealthy nations on earth. They can pay for their own defense at this point. In my opinion, it's time to ditch NATO and move on.

Here's a good piece on the subject by Jack Perry


Trump went over and scolded NATO member nations who aren’t paying their share into this scam. Okay, two things:

First, then why don’t we do what any other subscription-based company does? Cancel their subscription. Cut off their service, like the utilities would. Better still, let’s cut off our end of that deal. Then they can argue about it amongst themselves.

Second, the reason they’re not paying is because they’d rather spend that money on their own countries. Not some archaic defense alliance put together in the era that also brought us the Hula Hoop. Okay, got that? There are grandparents in NATO nations younger than this alliance. NATO members that do pay are sitting there slapping bumper stickers on tanks that say, “We’re Spending Our Children’s Inheritance”...

Read More:
NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump - LRC Blog LewRockwell.com

Socialist countries can never support themselves

 

[Dschrute3]

I have to say, i do respect Trump for trying to hold Western European nations accountable for not doing enough to support NATO. He really did stand up for American Taxpayers. And that's very rare these days for a US President to do so. But i'm afraid it'll all be for naught.

The Western Europeans don't seem too interested in paying more for NATO. So why keep this incredibly costly bureaucracy afloat? Why not abolish it and give American Taxpayers a much-deserved break? Western European nations rank among the most wealthy nations on earth. They can pay for their own defense at this point. In my opinion, it's time to ditch NATO and move on.

Here's a good piece on the subject by Jack Perry


Trump went over and scolded NATO member nations who aren’t paying their share into this scam. Okay, two things:

First, then why don’t we do what any other subscription-based company does? Cancel their subscription. Cut off their service, like the utilities would. Better still, let’s cut off our end of that deal. Then they can argue about it amongst themselves.

Second, the reason they’re not paying is because they’d rather spend that money on their own countries. Not some archaic defense alliance put together in the era that also brought us the Hula Hoop. Okay, got that? There are grandparents in NATO nations younger than this alliance. NATO members that do pay are sitting there slapping bumper stickers on tanks that say, “We’re Spending Our Children’s Inheritance”...

Read More:
NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump - LRC Blog LewRockwell.com

Socialist countries can never support themselves

Good point. Western Europeans see American Taxpayers as being simpleton suckers. I mean hey, if they wanna pay for it all, so be it. Western Europeans are very sly on the matter. They surely have the money, they rank among the richest nations on earth. But they like things just the way they are. And can you blame em? American Taxpayers are suckers. It is what it is.

 

[Rustic]

I have to say, i do respect Trump for trying to hold Western European nations accountable for not doing enough to support NATO. He really did stand up for American Taxpayers. And that's very rare these days for a US President to do so. But i'm afraid it'll all be for naught.

The Western Europeans don't seem too interested in paying more for NATO. So why keep this incredibly costly bureaucracy afloat? Why not abolish it and give American Taxpayers a much-deserved break? Western European nations rank among the most wealthy nations on earth. They can pay for their own defense at this point. In my opinion, it's time to ditch NATO and move on.

Here's a good piece on the subject by Jack Perry


Trump went over and scolded NATO member nations who aren’t paying their share into this scam. Okay, two things:

First, then why don’t we do what any other subscription-based company does? Cancel their subscription. Cut off their service, like the utilities would. Better still, let’s cut off our end of that deal. Then they can argue about it amongst themselves.

Second, the reason they’re not paying is because they’d rather spend that money on their own countries. Not some archaic defense alliance put together in the era that also brought us the Hula Hoop. Okay, got that? There are grandparents in NATO nations younger than this alliance. NATO members that do pay are sitting there slapping bumper stickers on tanks that say, “We’re Spending Our Children’s Inheritance”...

Read More:
NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump - LRC Blog LewRockwell.com

Socialist countries can never support themselves

Good point. Western Europeans see American Taxpayers as being simpleton suckers. I mean hey, if they wanna pay for it all, so be it. Western Europeans are very sly on the matter. They surely have the money, they rank among the richest nations on earth. But they like things just the way they are. And can you blame em? American Taxpayers are suckers. It is what it is.

Wouldn't it be nice if European countries would support themselves and have a decent military to support themselves. But then again they would be broke, they always have been broke, will always be broke - the euro is dead... lol

 

[Dschrute3]

I have to say, i do respect Trump for trying to hold Western European nations accountable for not doing enough to support NATO. He really did stand up for American Taxpayers. And that's very rare these days for a US President to do so. But i'm afraid it'll all be for naught.

The Western Europeans don't seem too interested in paying more for NATO. So why keep this incredibly costly bureaucracy afloat? Why not abolish it and give American Taxpayers a much-deserved break? Western European nations rank among the most wealthy nations on earth. They can pay for their own defense at this point. In my opinion, it's time to ditch NATO and move on.

Here's a good piece on the subject by Jack Perry


Trump went over and scolded NATO member nations who aren’t paying their share into this scam. Okay, two things:

First, then why don’t we do what any other subscription-based company does? Cancel their subscription. Cut off their service, like the utilities would. Better still, let’s cut off our end of that deal. Then they can argue about it amongst themselves.

Second, the reason they’re not paying is because they’d rather spend that money on their own countries. Not some archaic defense alliance put together in the era that also brought us the Hula Hoop. Okay, got that? There are grandparents in NATO nations younger than this alliance. NATO members that do pay are sitting there slapping bumper stickers on tanks that say, “We’re Spending Our Children’s Inheritance”...

Read More:
NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump - LRC Blog LewRockwell.com

Socialist countries can never support themselves

Good point. Western Europeans see American Taxpayers as being simpleton suckers. I mean hey, if they wanna pay for it all, so be it. Western Europeans are very sly on the matter. They surely have the money, they rank among the richest nations on earth. But they like things just the way they are. And can you blame em? American Taxpayers are suckers. It is what it is.

Wouldn't it be nice if European countries would support themselves and have a decent military to support themselves. But then again they would be broke, they always have been broke, will always be broke - the euro is dead... lol

Yup.

 

[Richard-H]

NATO: Time To Haul It To The Dump...

Yes, Trump bleevs we should dump NATO and serve our Soviet overlords. Good luck with that, comrade!

Y'all Trump-Haters gotta get over your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. Russia is no threat to the US/West at all. It doesn't have the capabilities to seriously take on the West. The US alone, spends almost ten times what Russia spends on its Military. Russia is vastly outmatched in every aspect. Militarily and economically, it's not even close. And that's compared with just the US. Western European nations are very wealthy nations. They also have a huge edge over Russia, militarily and economically.

But besides being so outmatched, Russia has no interest in invading and occupying Western Europe. What would it stand to gain? The answer is, nothing. And even at the height of Soviet Union power, it couldn't have successfully invaded and occupied Western Europe. So it certainly couldn't do it now. It just doesn't have the capabilities. Y'all really do need to get past your Russia Boogeyman hysteria. It's unfounded and irrational.

I don't agree that Russia is no threat at all to the US/West. No, they aren't going to march in here and overcome us militarily. They will undermine our relationships with Europe and they will take over there instead. You watch. Russia wants stuff. They will get it if they are left to their own devices. NATO is the only thing stopping them.

They can get as much as they want as long as it's thru free market and not thru military domination.

Yes, that's their right as a sovereign nation. And Russia has nothing to gain by engaging in military conflict with the US/West. It has no interest in that. So all this Russia Boogeyman hysteria needs to end.

On one hand I agree that we should normalize relations with Russia and have a relationship roughly like the relationship we have with France.

On the otherhand, I resent Russia's meddling in our elections - taking advantage of weak minded Americans. These are our idiots - keeps you hands off!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Deep State requires that we stay distracted and be on perpetual war footing.

NATO is not going anywhere

 

[deanrd]

Are Republicans right? Is it time to get rid of NATO? Is going it alone the best for the United States?

Is that working out well with China?

 

[Thinker101]

Are Republicans right? Is it time to get rid of NATO? Is going it alone the best for the United States?

Is that working out well with China?

Yes, it's working out quite well, not so good for China though.

 

[deanrd]

Trump is showing he has a lot of support for China.