NASA and ESA on the cause of the heat wave

[Delldude]

Geesus, you think NASA and MIT and the hundreds of other climate science people don’t know thermal dynamics ? You’re funny.

Why are they providing data to support their findings in the articles in question. You claimed there has to be a 1 degree increase in temperatures which would result, according to you, in a 7% rise in atmospheric water vapor. The real scientists at NASA and ESA claimed a 30% increase without any corresponding temperature rise as you claim.

Water is not injected into the atmosphere like all will remain there.

The excess water vapor injected by the Tonga volcano, on the other hand, could remain in the stratosphere for several years.
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"We've never seen anything like it," said Luis Millán, an atmospheric scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California. He led a new study examining the amount of water vapor that the Tonga volcano injected into the stratosphere, the layer of the atmosphere between about 8 and 33 miles (12 and 53 kilometers) above Earth's surface.

 

[Dagosa]

Why are they providing data to support their findings in the articles in question. You claimed there has to be a 1 degree increase in temperatures which would result, according to you, in a 7% rise in atmospheric water vapor. The real scientists at NASA and ESA claimed a 30% increase without any corresponding temperature rise as you claim.



The excess water vapor injected by the Tonga volcano, on the other hand, could remain in the stratosphere for several years.
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"We've never seen anything like it," said Luis Millán, an atmospheric scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California. He led a new study examining the amount of water vapor that the Tonga volcano injected into the stratosphere, the layer of the atmosphere between about 8 and 33 miles (12 and 53 kilometers) above Earth's surface.

-none of the data does any such thing….thay don’t feel people are stupid enough to believe all water stays in suspension-you obviously don’t have a clue about thermal dynamics, nor do you seem to have a clue how small 58k water compared to an atmosphere measured in the quadrillions.

 

[Delldude]

-none of the data does any such thing….thay don’t feel people are stupid enough to believe all water stays in suspension-you obviously don’t have a clue about thermal dynamics, nor do you seem to have a clue how small 58k water compared to an atmosphere measured in the quadrillions.

Yada Yada.........you are failing miserably.

 

[Crick]

Massive release of water vapor from an underwater volcano is causing these 'rivers of moisture' in the atmosphere. Something like 146 teragrams of vapor, heating the atmosphere and oceans. Not to worry, scientists say it will take several years of heat waves to dissipate back near normal.

So, why has atmospheric water vapor increased so dramatically? Because of a historic, gigantic volcanic eruption last year that I – probably along with you -- had never heard of. The mass media ignored it because it took place 490 feet underwater in the South Pacific. Don’t take it from me, take it from NASA (and please do follow the link to see time lapse satellite imagery of the underwater eruption and subsequent plume of gasses and water injected into the atmosphere):
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NASA published the above in August 2022. Half a year later, a newer study increased the estimate of the water vapor addition to the atmosphere by 30%. From the European Space Agency:

In a recent paper published in Nature, a team of scientists showed the unprecedented increase in the global stratospheric water mass by 13% (relative to climatological levels) and a five-fold increase of stratospheric aerosol load – the highest in the last three decades.
Using a combination of satellite data, including data from ESA’s Aeolus satellite, and ground-based observations, the team found that due to the extreme altitude, the volcanic plume circumnavigated the Earth in just one week and dispersed nearly pole-to-pole in three months. [emphasis added]
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Another scientific paper explains the “net warming of the climate system” on a delayed basis. NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory further explains:

Volcanic eruptions rarely inject much water into the stratosphere. In the 18 years that NASA has been taking measurements, only two other eruptions – the 2008 Kasatochi event in Alaska and the 2015 Calbuco eruption in Chile – sent appreciable amounts of water vapor to such high altitudes. But those were mere blips compared to the Tonga event, and the water vapor from both previous eruptions dissipated quickly. The excess water vapor injected by the Tonga volcano, on the other hand, could remain in the stratosphere for several years.
This extra water vapor could influence atmospheric chemistry, boosting certain chemical reactions that could temporarily worsen depletion of the ozone layer. It could also influence surface temperatures. Massive volcanic eruptions like Krakatoa and Mount Pinatubo typically cool Earth’s surface by ejecting gases, dust, and ash that reflect sunlight back into space. In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere [Emphases added]
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Jeff Childers, who brought this scientific data to my notice, writes:

Here’s why corporate media is ignoring the most dramatic climate even[t] in modern history: because you can’t legislate underwater volcanoes. You can try, but they won’t listen. So what’s the fun in that? Corporate media only exists to further political ends. Since volcanoes aren’t subject to politics, why bother?

What NASA and the European Space Agency are admitting but the media are failing to report about our current heat wave (bumped)

The eruption was widely covered by the news media.

 

[Delldude]

The eruption was widely covered by the news media.

For 25 seconds?

 

[Crick]

For 25 seconds?

Hardly. It was given appropriate coverage as was the connection between the injected vapor and the heat wave. This is an old game among conservatives: claim the mainstream media is suppressing select information. They're not and you're a disingenuous fool to claim they are.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Massive release of water vapor from an underwater volcano is causing these 'rivers of moisture' in the atmosphere. Something like 146 teragrams of vapor, heating the atmosphere and oceans. Not to worry, scientists say it will take several years of heat waves to dissipate back near normal.

So, why has atmospheric water vapor increased so dramatically? Because of a historic, gigantic volcanic eruption last year that I – probably along with you -- had never heard of. The mass media ignored it because it took place 490 feet underwater in the South Pacific. Don’t take it from me, take it from NASA (and please do follow the link to see time lapse satellite imagery of the underwater eruption and subsequent plume of gasses and water injected into the atmosphere):
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NASA published the above in August 2022. Half a year later, a newer study increased the estimate of the water vapor addition to the atmosphere by 30%. From the European Space Agency:

In a recent paper published in Nature, a team of scientists showed the unprecedented increase in the global stratospheric water mass by 13% (relative to climatological levels) and a five-fold increase of stratospheric aerosol load – the highest in the last three decades.
Using a combination of satellite data, including data from ESA’s Aeolus satellite, and ground-based observations, the team found that due to the extreme altitude, the volcanic plume circumnavigated the Earth in just one week and dispersed nearly pole-to-pole in three months. [emphasis added]
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Another scientific paper explains the “net warming of the climate system” on a delayed basis. NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory further explains:

Volcanic eruptions rarely inject much water into the stratosphere. In the 18 years that NASA has been taking measurements, only two other eruptions – the 2008 Kasatochi event in Alaska and the 2015 Calbuco eruption in Chile – sent appreciable amounts of water vapor to such high altitudes. But those were mere blips compared to the Tonga event, and the water vapor from both previous eruptions dissipated quickly. The excess water vapor injected by the Tonga volcano, on the other hand, could remain in the stratosphere for several years.
This extra water vapor could influence atmospheric chemistry, boosting certain chemical reactions that could temporarily worsen depletion of the ozone layer. It could also influence surface temperatures. Massive volcanic eruptions like Krakatoa and Mount Pinatubo typically cool Earth’s surface by ejecting gases, dust, and ash that reflect sunlight back into space. In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere [Emphases added]
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Jeff Childers, who brought this scientific data to my notice, writes:

Here’s why corporate media is ignoring the most dramatic climate even[t] in modern history: because you can’t legislate underwater volcanoes. You can try, but they won’t listen. So what’s the fun in that? Corporate media only exists to further political ends. Since volcanoes aren’t subject to politics, why bother?

What NASA and the European Space Agency are admitting but the media are failing to report about our current heat wave (bumped)

Also NASA:

Global warming makes all the heat waves worse.

 

[Crick]

Also NASA:

Global warming makes all the heat waves worse.

But it simultaneously makes the cold waves better.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But it simultaneously makes the cold waves better.

(Unless you rely on sea ice to live)

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The current heat wave is being relentlessly blamed on increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, but there is a much more plausible explanation, one that is virtually endorsed by two of the world's leading scientific organizations. It turns out that levels of water vapor in the atmosphere have dramatically increased over the last year and a half, and water vapor is well recognized as a greenhouse gas, whose heightened presence leads to higher temperatures, a mechanism that dwarfs any effect CO2 may have.

Hahaha

This is the dumbass product you get when a nonscientist writes an article both with an agenda and about a topic he doesn't understand.

 

[Crick]

(Unless you rely on sea ice to live)

Yes, like polar bears, penguins, walrus, seals, etc.

 

[ding]

Yes, like polar bears, penguins, walrus, seals, etc.

How did they survive the previous interglacial period which was 2C warmer than today with 26 ft higher seas and 120 ppm less atmospheric CO2?

 

[Delldude]

Hardly. It was given appropriate coverage as was the connection between the injected vapor and the heat wave. This is an old game among conservatives: claim the mainstream media is suppressing select information. They're not and you're a disingenuous fool to claim they are.

It was covered topically in the media. Cut the bullshit.

 

[Delldude]

Also NASA:

Global warming makes all the heat waves worse.

Also NASA:

Water vapor is Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas. It's responsible for about half of Earth's greenhouse effect — the process that occurs when gases in Earth's atmosphere trap the Sun's heat. Greenhouse gases keep our planet livable.Feb 8, 2022


Also NASA:

When the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai volcano erupted on Jan. 15, it sent a tsunami racing around the world and set off a sonic boom that circled the globe twice. The underwater eruption in the South Pacific Ocean also blasted an enormous plume of water vapor into Earth’s stratosphere – enough to fill more than 58,000 Olympic-size swimming pools. The sheer amount of water vapor could be enough to temporarily affect Earth’s global average temperature.

This is the dumbass product you get when a nonscientist writes an article both with an agenda and about a topic he doesn't understand.

When non-scientist quotes actual scientists and their research from NASA and ESA..........

 

[Crick]

Also NASA:

Water vapor is Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas. It's responsible for about half of Earth's greenhouse effect — the process that occurs when gases in Earth's atmosphere trap the Sun's heat. Greenhouse gases keep our planet livable.Feb 8, 2022


Also NASA:

When the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai volcano erupted on Jan. 15, it sent a tsunami racing around the world and set off a sonic boom that circled the globe twice. The underwater eruption in the South Pacific Ocean also blasted an enormous plume of water vapor into Earth’s stratosphere – enough to fill more than 58,000 Olympic-size swimming pools. The sheer amount of water vapor could be enough to temporarily affect Earth’s global average temperature.


When non-scientist quotes actual scientists and their research from NASA and ESA..........

I find it odd that you tell us that the mainstream media ignored the Tonga eruption and then give us quotes from that coverage, specifically addressing the points you claimed they ignored.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How did they survive the previous interglacial period which was 2C warmer than today with 26 ft higher seas and 120 ppm less atmospheric CO2?

Do you need an assistant? Make a big boy point all by your big boy self.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Also NASA:

Water vapor is Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas. It's responsible for about half of Earth's greenhouse effect — the process that occurs when gases in Earth's atmosphere trap the Sun's heat. Greenhouse gases keep our planet livable.Feb 8, 2022


Also NASA:

When the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai volcano erupted on Jan. 15, it sent a tsunami racing around the world and set off a sonic boom that circled the globe twice. The underwater eruption in the South Pacific Ocean also blasted an enormous plume of water vapor into Earth’s stratosphere – enough to fill more than 58,000 Olympic-size swimming pools. The sheer amount of water vapor could be enough to temporarily affect Earth’s global average temperature.


When non-scientist quotes actual scientists and their research from NASA and ESA..........

Also NASA:

Global warming makes all heat waves worse.

No, you didn't listen to AM radio and outsmart the global scientific community. Sorry.

 

[Delldude]

I find it odd that you tell us that the mainstream media ignored the Tonga eruption and then give us quotes from that coverage, specifically addressing the points you claimed they ignored.

Something you have let slip by was the mentions in that article are not indicative of how little or how much media coverage it got. It received minimal coverage across media.

 

[Delldude]

Global warming makes all heat waves worse.

Also NASA - Never said that.................

 

[Crick]

Also NASA - Never said that.................

Let us know when you can prove that.