Myth of Arctic Meltdown!!!

[Billy_Bob]

What a joke......the AGW climate crusaders are nothing but clowns!!!

According to Danish Meteorological Institute, not only is the arctic cap expanding, its also getting thicker.

Gore said it would be gone by now. Just more fodder that the science is hardly settled and they still don't know shit about shit regarding what will happen in the future and why. Its that simple.

Take a gander at the space images on the polar ice cap........shit is getting huge!!!!


Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Mail Online



These bozo's lie all the time about this stuff........and then have the gall to call it "science".


Phonies........


ps......this is a top story on DRUDGE right now!!!

The Right Wing pays about 10% of Scientists millions and maybe Billions to be "on their team". You can simply check how much the Koch Brothers have paid Scientists in an "Anti-Global Warming Program"

2 Things. Why would it be necessary to spend money to back up a Science fact. Science is free.

And Why do 90% of Scientists say Global Warming is real?

I heard a Scientist on Fox News the other day say Global Warming isn't real. THANK GOD. I don't have to worry about our planet because I'm a bias moron that believes in MSM.

Please show proof of your allegations.

The US government paid 865 million dollars in grants for global warming research last year alone. The Skeptics as a whole had less than 2.7 million dollars to do ours... Who are you left wing kooks trying to scam today?

 

[skookerasbil]

What a joke......the AGW climate crusaders are nothing but clowns!!!

According to Danish Meteorological Institute, not only is the arctic cap expanding, its also getting thicker.

Gore said it would be gone by now. Just more fodder that the science is hardly settled and they still don't know shit about shit regarding what will happen in the future and why. Its that simple.

Take a gander at the space images on the polar ice cap........shit is getting huge!!!!


Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Mail Online



These bozo's lie all the time about this stuff........and then have the gall to call it "science".


Phonies........


ps......this is a top story on DRUDGE right now!!!

The Right Wing pays about 10% of Scientists millions and maybe Billions to be "on their team". You can simply check how much the Koch Brothers have paid Scientists in an "Anti-Global Warming Program"

2 Things. Why would it be necessary to spend money to back up a Science fact. Science is free.

And Why do 90% of Scientists say Global Warming is real?

I heard a Scientist on Fox News the other day say Global Warming isn't real. THANK GOD. I don't have to worry about our planet because I'm a bias moron that believes in MSM.

Please show proof of your allegations.

The US government paid 865 million dollars in grants for global warming research last year alone. The Skeptics as a whole had less than 2.7 million dollars to do ours... Who are you left wing kooks trying to scam today?

Not to mention hundreds of millions to fake renewable companies like Solyndra.

 

[RollingThunder]

The Right Wing pays about 10% of Scientists millions and maybe Billions to be "on their team". You can simply check how much the Koch Brothers have paid Scientists in an "Anti-Global Warming Program"

2 Things. Why would it be necessary to spend money to back up a Science fact. Science is free.

And Why do 90% of Scientists say Global Warming is real?

I heard a Scientist on Fox News the other day say Global Warming isn't real. THANK GOD. I don't have to worry about our planet because I'm a bias moron that believes in MSM.

Please show proof of your allegations.

The US government paid 865 million dollars in grants for global warming research last year alone. The Skeptics as a whole had less than 2.7 million dollars to do ours... Who are you left wing kooks trying to scam today?

You seem very ignorant about science and very gullible.

Grant money for research goes entirely into funding the research, not into the researchers pocket, not into publicity or propaganda, just into the research.

The money the Koch brothers, Exxon, Western Fuels Association, and many others have paid to climate change denial front groups, 'think tanks', anti-science blogs and other propaganda outlets is NOT going into any real research, rather it is entirely going into the well funded propaganda campaign intended to delay or prevent the world from taking the necessary actions to drastically restrict mankind's carbon emissions because those actions would also drastically reduce the trillion dollar a year profit flow from selling the very stuff that is causing this climate change crisis, and crash their stock prices over 'stranded assets'.

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort
A Drexel University study finds that a large slice of donations to organizations that deny global warming are funneled through third-party pass-through organizations that conceal the original funder
Scientific American
By Douglas Fischer
Dec 23, 2013
The largest, most-consistent money fueling the climate denial movement are a number of well-funded conservative foundations built with so-called "dark money," or concealed donations, according to an analysis released Friday afternoon.

The study, by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert Brulle, is the first academic effort to probe the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the climate denial movement.

It found that the amount of money flowing through third-party, pass-through foundations like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital, whose funding cannot be traced, has risen dramatically over the past five years.

In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010.

Meanwhile the traceable cash flow from more traditional sources, such as Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, has disappeared.

The study was published Friday in the journal Climatic Change.

"The climate change countermovement has had a real political and ecological impact on the failure of the world to act on global warming," Brulle said in a statement. "Like a play on Broadway, the countermovement has stars in the spotlight – often prominent contrarian scientists or conservative politicians – but behind the stars is an organizational structure of directors, script writers and producers."

"If you want to understand what's driving this movement, you have to look at what's going on behind the scenes."

Consistent funders
To uncover that, Brulle developed a list of 118 influential climate denial organizations in the United States. He then coded data on philanthropic funding for each organization, combining information from the Foundation Center, a database of global philanthropy, with financial data submitted by organizations to the Internal Revenue Service.

According to Brulle, the largest and most consistent funders where a number of conservative foundations promoting "ultra-free-market ideas" in many realms, among them the Searle Freedom Trust, the John Williams Pope Foundation, the Howard Charitable Foundation and the Sarah Scaife Foundation.

Another key finding: From 2003 to 2007, Koch Affiliated Foundations and the ExxonMobil Foundation were "heavily involved" in funding climate change denial efforts. But Exxon hasn't made a publically traceable contribution since 2008, and Koch's efforts dramatically declined, Brulle said.

Coinciding with a decline in traceable funding, Brulle found a dramatic rise in the cash flowing to denial organizations from DonorsTrust, a donor-directed foundation whose funders cannot be traced. This one foundation, the assessment found, now accounts for 25 percent of all traceable foundation funding used by organizations promoting the systematic denial of climate change.

Jeffrey Zysik, chief financial officer for DonorsTrust, said in an email that neither DonorsTrust nor Donors Capital Fund "take positions with respect to any issue advocated by its grantees."

"As with all donor-advised fund programs, grant recommendations are received from account holders," he said. "DonorsTrust and Donors Capital Fund ensure that recommended grantees are IRS-approved public charities and also require that the grantee charities do not rely on significant amounts of revenue from government sources. DonorsTrust and Donors Capital Fund do not otherwise drive the selection of grantees, nor conduct in-depth analyses of projects or grantees unless an account holder specifically requests that service."

Matter of democracy
In the end, Brulle concluded public records identify only a fraction of the hundreds of millions of dollars supporting climate denial efforts. Some 75 percent of the income of those organizations, he said, comes via unidentifiable sources.

And for Brulle, that's a matter of democracy. "Without a free flow of accurate information, democratic politics and government accountability become impossible," he said. "Money amplifies certain voices above others and, in effect, gives them a megaphone in the public square."

Powerful funders, he added, are supporting the campaign to deny scientific findings about global warming and raise doubts about the "roots and remedies" of a threat on which the science is clear.

"At the very least, American voters deserve to know who is behind these efforts."

 

[RollingThunder]

Here's more....

Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
The Koch Brothers: Funding $67,042,064 to groups denying climate change since 1997.
Greenpeace
Billionaire oilman David Koch used to joke that Koch Industries was "the biggest company you've never heard of." Now the shroud of secrecy has thankfully been lifted, revealing the $67 million that he and his brother Charles have quietly funneled to climate-denial front groups that are working to delay policies and regulations aimed at stopping global warming, most of which are part of the State Policy Network.

Today, the Kochs are being watched as a prime example of the corporate takeover of government. Their funding and co-opting of the Tea Party movement is now well documented.

Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch have a vested interest in delaying climate action: they've made billions from their ownership and control of Koch Industries, an oil corporation that is the second largest privately-held company in America (which also happens to have an especially poor environmental record). It's timely that more people are now aware of Charles and David Koch and just what they're up to. A growing awareness of these oil billionaires' destructive agenda has led to increased scrutiny and resistance from people and organizations all over the United States.

We continue to expose the connections between climate denial front groups and the secretive billionaires who are funding their efforts.

Case Studies: How Does Koch Industries Influence the Climate Debate?
See our 2012 update Koch Brothers Exposed: Fueling Climate Denial and Privatizing Democracy, demonstrating how the Kochs are part of a 40-year old blueprint to dominate democracy. This update was relesed in conjunction with the release of Brave New Foundation's Koch Brothers Exposed movie.

From Greenpeace's Toxics campaign: Toxic Koch: Keeping Americans at Risk of a Poison Gas Disaster

From our 2011 report update:

• 
  
  • Dr. Willie Soon, a Career Fueled by Big Oil and Coal new!
  • Koch Front Groups Attack RGGI—The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative
  • Koch Industries Backs California Proposition 23
  • The Kochtopus Media Network

From our 2010 report:

• 
  
  • The Koch-funded "ClimateGate" Echo Chamber
  • Polar Bear Junk Science and Koch Industries
  • The "Spanish Study" on Green Jobs and Koch Industries
  • The "Danish Study" on Wind Power and Koch Industries
  • Koch Organizations Instrumental in Dissemination of ACCF/NAM Claims

Download our full reports:

• 
  
  • Koch Industries: Still Fueling Climate Denial, 2011 Update (PDF)
  • Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine (PDF)

The Koch brothers, their family members, and their employees direct a web of financing that supports conservative special interest groups and think-tanks, with a strong focus on fighting environmental regulation, opposing clean energy legislation, and easing limits on industrial pollution. This money is typically funneled through one of three "charitable" foundations the Kochs have set up: the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation; the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation; and the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation.

Other resources:

• 
  
  • Koch Industries profile on SourceWatch, a wiki project of the Center for Media and Democracy
  • Ongoing blog content on Koch Industries from ThinkProgress, a project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund
  • Koch Brothers Exposed video series from Brave New Foundation
  • Center for American Progress Action Fund report: The Koch Brothers: What You Need to Know about the Financiers of the Radical Right [PDF]
  • Center for Public Integrity report on Koch federal lobbying activity: Koch’s Web of Influence
  • Common Cause resources from the Uncloaking the Kochs protest during Koch’s secret strategy meeting in Rancho Mirage, California.
  • Ongoing reporting on the Koch brothers from Alternet
  • Ongoing reporting on the Koch brothers from The Exiled
  • Audio recordings from inside the Koch's 2011 secret strategy meeting in Vail, CO is available at BradBlog with additional reporting at Mother Jones

 

[Billy_Bob]

Here's more....

Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
The Koch Brothers: Funding $67,042,064 to groups denying climate change since 1997.
Greenpeace
Billionaire oilman David Koch used to joke that Koch Industries was "the biggest company you've never heard of." Now the shroud of secrecy has thankfully been lifted, revealing the $67 million that he and his brother Charles have quietly funneled to climate-denial front groups that are working to delay policies and regulations aimed at stopping global warming, most of which are part of the State Policy Network.

Today, the Kochs are being watched as a prime example of the corporate takeover of government. Their funding and co-opting of the Tea Party movement is now well documented.

Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch have a vested interest in delaying climate action: they've made billions from their ownership and control of Koch Industries, an oil corporation that is the second largest privately-held company in America (which also happens to have an especially poor environmental record). It's timely that more people are now aware of Charles and David Koch and just what they're up to. A growing awareness of these oil billionaires' destructive agenda has led to increased scrutiny and resistance from people and organizations all over the United States.

We continue to expose the connections between climate denial front groups and the secretive billionaires who are funding their efforts.

Case Studies: How Does Koch Industries Influence the Climate Debate?
See our 2012 update Koch Brothers Exposed: Fueling Climate Denial and Privatizing Democracy, demonstrating how the Kochs are part of a 40-year old blueprint to dominate democracy. This update was relesed in conjunction with the release of Brave New Foundation's Koch Brothers Exposed movie.

From Greenpeace's Toxics campaign: Toxic Koch: Keeping Americans at Risk of a Poison Gas Disaster

From our 2011 report update:

• 
  
  • Dr. Willie Soon, a Career Fueled by Big Oil and Coal new!
  • Koch Front Groups Attack RGGI—The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative
  • Koch Industries Backs California Proposition 23
  • The Kochtopus Media Network

From our 2010 report:

• 
  
  • The Koch-funded "ClimateGate" Echo Chamber
  • Polar Bear Junk Science and Koch Industries
  • The "Spanish Study" on Green Jobs and Koch Industries
  • The "Danish Study" on Wind Power and Koch Industries
  • Koch Organizations Instrumental in Dissemination of ACCF/NAM Claims

Download our full reports:

• 
  
  • Koch Industries: Still Fueling Climate Denial, 2011 Update (PDF)
  • Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine (PDF)

The Koch brothers, their family members, and their employees direct a web of financing that supports conservative special interest groups and think-tanks, with a strong focus on fighting environmental regulation, opposing clean energy legislation, and easing limits on industrial pollution. This money is typically funneled through one of three "charitable" foundations the Kochs have set up: the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation; the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation; and the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation.

Other resources:

• 
  
  • Koch Industries profile on SourceWatch, a wiki project of the Center for Media and Democracy
  • Ongoing blog content on Koch Industries from ThinkProgress, a project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund
  • Koch Brothers Exposed video series from Brave New Foundation
  • Center for American Progress Action Fund report: The Koch Brothers: What You Need to Know about the Financiers of the Radical Right [PDF]
  • Center for Public Integrity report on Koch federal lobbying activity: Koch’s Web of Influence
  • Common Cause resources from the Uncloaking the Kochs protest during Koch’s secret strategy meeting in Rancho Mirage, California.
  • Ongoing reporting on the Koch brothers from Alternet
  • Ongoing reporting on the Koch brothers from The Exiled
  • Audio recordings from inside the Koch's 2011 secret strategy meeting in Vail, CO is available at BradBlog with additional reporting at Mother Jones

Your sources lack Credibility.. "Mother Jones" And then went on to cite half a dozen left wing hack sites as credible....

Every single source you cited is funded by left wing radical group think.

Hell Even Exon Mobile funded Green grants to the tune of 180 million dollars over the last four years. That's just the tip of the iceberg as every single 'big oil' company has a division to grant 'green' tech...

Your one sided and compromised view is rather funny to see.. The Use of the word 'Denier' shows me that you have no interest in real science.

What precisely have I denied? The earth has warmed and the earth has cooled.. What is in question is, what is the real cause? The science has not been done. Only political hacking has been done to forward an agenda.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Tiny warming of residual anthropogenic CO2

François Gervais
François Rabelais University, Faculty of Sciences and Techniques, Department of Physics, Parc de Grandmont, 37200 Tours, France

Received: 23 May 2013
Revised: 2 September 2013
Accepted: 10 January 2014
Published: 10 March 2014

The residual fraction of anthropogenic CO2 emissions which has not been captured by carbon sinks and remains in the atmosphere, is estimated by two independent experimental methods which support each other: the 13C/12C ratio and the temperature-independent fraction of d(CO2)/dt on a yearly scale after subtraction of annual fluctuations the amplitude ratio of which reaches a factor as large as 7. The anthropogenic fraction is then used to evaluate the additional warming by analysis of its spectral contribution to the outgoing long-wavelength radiation (OLR) measured by infrared spectrometers embarked in satellites looking down. The anthropogenic CO2 additional warming extrapolated in 2100 is found lower than 0.1°C in the absence of feedbacks. The global temperature data are fitted with an oscillation of period 60 years added to a linear contribution. The data which support the 60-year cycle are summarized, in particular sea surface temperatures and sea level rise measured either by tide gauge or by satellite altimetry. The tiny anthropogenic warming appears consistent with the absence of any detectable change of slope of the 130-year-long linear contribution to the temperature data before and after the onset of large CO2 emissions.

OOOOOP's

Now someone has gone and done a major portion of the math and found that CO2 is not affecting the long term linear trend but ever so slightly.. Much less than anyone thought. This one is gonna hurt the CAGW movement and the EPA power grabs...

"The absence of any detectable change of slope.." This means that there has been NO DETECTABLE RISE with man's contribution of CO2 over 130 years and that the before and after slopes of warming are indistinguishable.

That one is going to leave a mark!

 

[skookerasbil]

hey Thunder......great effort, like always, but bottom line??????............ Why America Does Not Care About Global Warming Roy Spencer PhD


you lOsE

 

[skookerasbil]

Hey Thunder......even Dems don't give a rats ass!!!!!


COLD ON WARMING 8211 DEM VOTERS DON 8217 T REALLY CARE New York Post

 

[skookerasbil]

The Insiders Five reasons voters don t believe the White House about global warming - The Washington Post



OOoooooooooooooooooooooops!!!!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort
A Drexel University study finds that a large slice of donations to organizations that deny global warming are funneled through third-party pass-through organizations that conceal the original funder
Scientific American
By Douglas Fischer
Dec 23, 2013

Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
The Koch Brothers: Funding $67,042,064 to groups denying climate change since 1997

Your sources lack Credibility.

LOLOL.....oh....really?

An article published in Scientific American about a peer-reviewed published scientific study done at Drexel University, tracing the cash flow from the vested interests in fossil fuels to the front groups and 'think tanks' attacking climate science, is somehow, in your crackpot 'deny-o-verse', not a credible source. You are either completely bamboozled by the propaganda or you're a paid troll.

You can't refute any of the information in either article about the well funded propaganda campaign to deny the reality of AGW for economic reasons, so you try to idiotically dismiss the information by dissing the sources because they convey accurate information that blows away your rightwingnut denier cult myths and delusions.

What precisely have I denied? The earth has warmed and the earth has cooled.. What is in question is, what is the real cause? The science has not been done. Only political hacking has been done to forward an agenda.

You are denying the conclusions of the world scientific community, which are based on mountains of very clear physical evidence and scientific data, decades of intensive research by tens of thousands of scientists in many countries, and the laws of physics. Those conclusions are that mankind's activities have increased atmospheric CO2 levels by 43% so far (and still rising fast) and that increase in a powerful greenhouse gas has caused global temperatures to rapidly rise and that increase in temperatures is causing long established climate patterns to also rapidly change. The science HAS been done no matter what lies your rightwingnut puppetmastenrs tell you. The cause IS known and it is the extra CO2 mankind has been pumping into the air at a rate of tens of billions of tons a year for many years. Unfortunately, stopping those carbon emissions that are killing the planet threatens the profits and stock prices of the the most profitable industry on Earth so, in spite of the danger unchecked AGW/CC poses to everyone, the greed-heads are funding this AGW denial propaganda campaign that has got you so confused.

Here the position statement of the American Geophysical Union, ("a nonprofit organization of geophysicists, consisting of over 62,000 members from 144 countries. AGU's activities are focused on the organization and dissemination of scientific information in the interdisciplinary and international field of geophysics. The geophysical sciences involve four fundamental areas: atmospheric and ocean sciences; solid-Earth sciences; hydrologic sciences; and space sciences.")

Are you now going to embarrass yourself by claiming that the AGU "lacks credibility"? LOLOL. I wouldn't put it past you. You really seem to be THAT clueless.

AGU Position Statement - Human‐Induced Climate Change Requires Urgent Action
Aug 2013
Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes.

Human activities are changing Earth’s climate. At the global level, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other heat‐trapping greenhouse gases have increased sharply since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel burning dominates this increase. Human‐caused increases in greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed global average surface warming of roughly 0.8°C (1.5°F) over the past 140 years. Because natural processes cannot quickly remove some of these gases (notably carbon dioxide) from the atmosphere, our past, present, and future emissions will influence the climate system for millennia.

Extensive, independent observations confirm the reality of global warming. These observations show large‐scale increases in air and sea temperatures, sea level, and atmospheric water vapor; they document decreases in the extent of mountain glaciers, snow cover, permafrost, and Arctic sea ice. These changes are broadly consistent with long‐ understood physics and predictions of how the climate system is expected to respond to human‐caused increases in greenhouse gases. The changes are inconsistent with explanations of climate change that rely on known natural influences.

Climate models predict that global temperatures will continue to rise, with the amount of warming primarily determined by the level of emissions. Higher emissions of greenhouse gases will lead to larger warming, and greater risks to society and ecosystems. Some additional warming is unavoidable due to past emissions.
Climate change is not expected to be uniform over space or time. Deforestation, urbanization, and particulate pollution can have complex geographical, seasonal, and longer‐term effects on temperature, precipitation, and cloud properties. In addition, human‐induced climate change may alter atmospheric circulation, dislocating historical patterns of natural variability and storminess.

In the current climate, weather experienced at a given location or region varies from year to year; in a changing climate, both the nature of that variability and the basic patterns of weather experienced can change, sometimes in counterintuitive ways ‐‐ some areas may experience cooling, for instance. This raises no challenge to the reality of human‐induced climate change.

Impacts harmful to society, including increased extremes of heat, precipitation, and coastal high water are currently being experienced, and are projected to increase. Other projected outcomes involve threats to public health, water availability, agricultural productivity (particularly in low‐latitude developing countries), and coastal infrastructure, though some benefits may be seen at some times and places. Biodiversity loss is expected to accelerate due to both climate change and acidification of the oceans, which is a direct result of increasing carbon dioxide levels.

While important scientific uncertainties remain as to which particular impacts will be experienced where, no uncertainties are known that could make the impacts of climate change inconsequential. Furthermore, surprise outcomes, such as the unexpectedly rapid loss of Arctic summer sea ice, may entail even more dramatic changes than anticipated.

Actions that could diminish the threats posed by climate change to society and ecosystems include substantial emissions cuts to reduce the magnitude of climate change, as well as preparing for changes that are now unavoidable. The community of scientists has responsibilities to improve overall understanding of climate change and its impacts. Improvements will come from pursuing the research needed to understand climate change, working with stakeholders to identify relevant information, and conveying understanding clearly and accurately, both to decision makers and to the general public.

Adopted by the American Geophysical Union December 2003; Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007, February 2012, August 2013.

 

[skookerasbil]

Gawd Thunder.......you've posted up that same link about 450,00 times now in this forum!

At least go find some new material son!! Anyway......I pwned your shit on this very same page already!!!

 

[saveliberty]

Gawd Thunder.......you've posted up that same link about 450,00 times now in this forum!

At least go find some new material son!! Anyway......I pwned your shit on this very same page already!!!

Yes, but he used bigger type is time...

 

[RollingThunder]

Gawd Thunder.......you've posted up that same link about 450,00 times now in this forum!

At least go find some new material son!! Anyway......I pwned your shit on this very same page already!

LOLOL....oh Kookles, the only thing you've ever "pwned" is that sad excuse for a brain that you traded for a stack of comic books.

 

[Billy_Bob]

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort
A Drexel University study finds that a large slice of donations to organizations that deny global warming are funneled through third-party pass-through organizations that conceal the original funder
Scientific American
By Douglas Fischer
Dec 23, 2013

Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
The Koch Brothers: Funding $67,042,064 to groups denying climate change since 1997

Your sources lack Credibility.

LOLOL.....oh....really?

An article published in Scientific American about a peer-reviewed published scientific study done at Drexel University, tracing the cash flow from the vested interests in fossil fuels to the front groups and 'think tanks' attacking climate science, is somehow, in your crackpot 'deny-o-verse', not a credible source. You are either completely bamboozled by the propaganda or you're a paid troll.

You can't refute any of the information in either article about the well funded propaganda campaign to deny the reality of AGW for economic reasons, so you try to idiotically dismiss the information by dissing the sources because they convey accurate information that blows away your rightwingnut denier cult myths and delusions.

What precisely have I denied? The earth has warmed and the earth has cooled.. What is in question is, what is the real cause? The science has not been done. Only political hacking has been done to forward an agenda.

You are denying the conclusions of the world scientific community, which are based on mountains of very clear physical evidence and scientific data, decades of intensive research by tens of thousands of scientists in many countries, and the laws of physics. Those conclusions are that mankind's activities have increased atmospheric CO2 levels by 43% so far (and still rising fast) and that increase in a powerful greenhouse gas has caused global temperatures to rapidly rise and that increase in temperatures is causing long established climate patterns to also rapidly change. The science HAS been done no matter what lies your rightwingnut puppetmastenrs tell you. The cause IS known and it is the extra CO2 mankind has been pumping into the air at a rate of tens of billions of tons a year for many years. Unfortunately, stopping those carbon emissions that are killing the planet threatens the profits and stock prices of the the most profitable industry on Earth so, in spite of the danger unchecked AGW/CC poses to everyone, the greed-heads are funding this AGW denial propaganda campaign that has got you so confused.

Here the position statement of the American Geophysical Union, ("a nonprofit organization of geophysicists, consisting of over 62,000 members from 144 countries. AGU's activities are focused on the organization and dissemination of scientific information in the interdisciplinary and international field of geophysics. The geophysical sciences involve four fundamental areas: atmospheric and ocean sciences; solid-Earth sciences; hydrologic sciences; and space sciences.")

Are you now going to embarrass yourself by claiming that the AGU "lacks credibility"? LOLOL. I wouldn't put it past you. You really seem to be THAT clueless.

AGU Position Statement - Human‐Induced Climate Change Requires Urgent Action
Aug 2013
Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes.

Human activities are changing Earth’s climate. At the global level, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other heat‐trapping greenhouse gases have increased sharply since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel burning dominates this increase. Human‐caused increases in greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed global average surface warming of roughly 0.8°C (1.5°F) over the past 140 years. Because natural processes cannot quickly remove some of these gases (notably carbon dioxide) from the atmosphere, our past, present, and future emissions will influence the climate system for millennia.

Extensive, independent observations confirm the reality of global warming. These observations show large‐scale increases in air and sea temperatures, sea level, and atmospheric water vapor; they document decreases in the extent of mountain glaciers, snow cover, permafrost, and Arctic sea ice. These changes are broadly consistent with long‐ understood physics and predictions of how the climate system is expected to respond to human‐caused increases in greenhouse gases. The changes are inconsistent with explanations of climate change that rely on known natural influences.

Climate models predict that global temperatures will continue to rise, with the amount of warming primarily determined by the level of emissions. Higher emissions of greenhouse gases will lead to larger warming, and greater risks to society and ecosystems. Some additional warming is unavoidable due to past emissions.
Climate change is not expected to be uniform over space or time. Deforestation, urbanization, and particulate pollution can have complex geographical, seasonal, and longer‐term effects on temperature, precipitation, and cloud properties. In addition, human‐induced climate change may alter atmospheric circulation, dislocating historical patterns of natural variability and storminess.

In the current climate, weather experienced at a given location or region varies from year to year; in a changing climate, both the nature of that variability and the basic patterns of weather experienced can change, sometimes in counterintuitive ways ‐‐ some areas may experience cooling, for instance. This raises no challenge to the reality of human‐induced climate change.

Impacts harmful to society, including increased extremes of heat, precipitation, and coastal high water are currently being experienced, and are projected to increase. Other projected outcomes involve threats to public health, water availability, agricultural productivity (particularly in low‐latitude developing countries), and coastal infrastructure, though some benefits may be seen at some times and places. Biodiversity loss is expected to accelerate due to both climate change and acidification of the oceans, which is a direct result of increasing carbon dioxide levels.

While important scientific uncertainties remain as to which particular impacts will be experienced where, no uncertainties are known that could make the impacts of climate change inconsequential. Furthermore, surprise outcomes, such as the unexpectedly rapid loss of Arctic summer sea ice, may entail even more dramatic changes than anticipated.

Actions that could diminish the threats posed by climate change to society and ecosystems include substantial emissions cuts to reduce the magnitude of climate change, as well as preparing for changes that are now unavoidable. The community of scientists has responsibilities to improve overall understanding of climate change and its impacts. Improvements will come from pursuing the research needed to understand climate change, working with stakeholders to identify relevant information, and conveying understanding clearly and accurately, both to decision makers and to the general public.

Adopted by the American Geophysical Union December 2003; Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007, February 2012, August 2013.

The same AGU that refused to allow its membership to agree or disagree in writing... got to love the same bull shit over and over again.

You do realize that no matter how many times you repost these lies and half truths it will not make them true..

Your belief that the 'consensus' will save you is like putting your faith in a palm reader.. She will take your money and lie to your face.. and you will still believe it.. despite the facts telling you she is a Charlton.

Most of the major unions for scientists do not allow their rank and file to determine their stance on issues. Most officers of these unions make their stance according to the "politically correct" temp of the waters from the current administration. They do not generally reflect the rank and file members. To unequivocally say that they all 'agree' is misleading and a lie.

Why are left wits so gullible?

 

[RollingThunder]

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort
A Drexel University study finds that a large slice of donations to organizations that deny global warming are funneled through third-party pass-through organizations that conceal the original funder
Scientific American
By Douglas Fischer
Dec 23, 2013

Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
The Koch Brothers: Funding $67,042,064 to groups denying climate change since 1997

Your sources lack Credibility.

LOLOL.....oh....really?

An article published in Scientific American about a peer-reviewed published scientific study done at Drexel University, tracing the cash flow from the vested interests in fossil fuels to the front groups and 'think tanks' attacking climate science, is somehow, in your crackpot 'deny-o-verse', not a credible source. You are either completely bamboozled by the propaganda or you're a paid troll.

You can't refute any of the information in either article about the well funded propaganda campaign to deny the reality of AGW for economic reasons, so you try to idiotically dismiss the information by dissing the sources because they convey accurate information that blows away your rightwingnut denier cult myths and delusions.

What precisely have I denied? The earth has warmed and the earth has cooled.. What is in question is, what is the real cause? The science has not been done. Only political hacking has been done to forward an agenda.

You are denying the conclusions of the world scientific community, which are based on mountains of very clear physical evidence and scientific data, decades of intensive research by tens of thousands of scientists in many countries, and the laws of physics. Those conclusions are that mankind's activities have increased atmospheric CO2 levels by 43% so far (and still rising fast) and that increase in a powerful greenhouse gas has caused global temperatures to rapidly rise and that increase in temperatures is causing long established climate patterns to also rapidly change. The science HAS been done no matter what lies your rightwingnut puppetmastenrs tell you. The cause IS known and it is the extra CO2 mankind has been pumping into the air at a rate of tens of billions of tons a year for many years. Unfortunately, stopping those carbon emissions that are killing the planet threatens the profits and stock prices of the the most profitable industry on Earth so, in spite of the danger unchecked AGW/CC poses to everyone, the greed-heads are funding this AGW denial propaganda campaign that has got you so confused.

Here the position statement of the American Geophysical Union, ("a nonprofit organization of geophysicists, consisting of over 62,000 members from 144 countries. AGU's activities are focused on the organization and dissemination of scientific information in the interdisciplinary and international field of geophysics. The geophysical sciences involve four fundamental areas: atmospheric and ocean sciences; solid-Earth sciences; hydrologic sciences; and space sciences.")

Are you now going to embarrass yourself by claiming that the AGU "lacks credibility"? LOLOL. I wouldn't put it past you. You really seem to be THAT clueless.

AGU Position Statement - Human‐Induced Climate Change Requires Urgent Action
Aug 2013


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The same AGU that refused to allow its membership to agree or disagree in writing... got to love the same bull shit over and over again.

You do realize that no matter how many times you repost these lies and half truths it will not make them true..

Your belief that the 'consensus' will save you is like putting your faith in a palm reader.. She will take your money and lie to your face.. and you will still believe it.. despite the facts telling you she is a Charlton.

Most of the major unions for scientists do not allow their rank and file to determine their stance on issues. Most officers of these unions make their stance according to the "politically correct" temp of the waters from the current administration. They do not generally reflect the rank and file members. To unequivocally say that they all 'agree' is misleading and a lie.

Why are left wits so gullible?

You're a loon and you know nothing about science. Your posts are nothing but delusional drivel and crackpot conspiracy theory lunacy. You have no supporting evidence for your delusions, just a lot of hot air and BS.

Go ahead and explain to the world how ALL of these scientific organizations from countries all around the planet are in a huge conspiracy to deceive you, but how no one in any of these groups has ever broken ranks and spilled the beans about the conspiracy. C'mon dude, I need a good laugh.

Climate-change deniers versus the scientific societies of the world: Who should we listen to?
SFGate
By Peter Gleick
Monday, March 15
My last post said that climate-change deniers have never produced an alternative scientific theory that adequately explains the compelling evidence of climate change from around the world.

Where should the public, not versed in climate science, look for their information and knowledge about this debate about climate change? Fox News? CNN? The New York Times? PBS? Exxon-Mobil? Environmental groups? This blog (hey, I’ve never argued that)? Senator James Inhofe (who has described human-induced global warming as: “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people” and “an article of religious faith”)?

How about from the scientists themselves, unfiltered by media or ideologues? Below, find excerpts from the statements of pretty much every single respected, serious, professional scientific society in the world. Go to their websites. All of this stuff is easily available, if you are willing to look. Don’t take my word for it.

The National Science Academies of the G8+5 nations (Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, Italy, India, Japan, Mexico, Russia, South Africa, the United Kingdom, and the United States).

It is unequivocal that the climate is changing, and it is very likely that this is predominantly caused by the increasing human interference with the atmosphere. These changes will transform the environmental conditions on Earth unless counter-measures are taken.​

American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) Policy Statement on Climate Changes

The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society. Accumulating data from across the globe reveal a wide array of effects: rapidly melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets, increases in extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts in species ranges, and more. The pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now.​

American Geophysical Union Position Paper on Climate Change

The Earth’s climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system — including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons — are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. … Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities…With such projections, there are many sources of scientific uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate change inconsequential. With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent.​

The Geological Society of American Position Paper on Climate Change

The Geological Society of America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth’s climate is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities; and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries. Furthermore, the potential implications of global climate change and the time scale over which such changes will likely occur require active, effective, long-term planning.​

The Ecological Society of America

The Earth is warming — average global temperatures have increased by 0.74 deg. C (1.3 deg. F) in the past 100 years. The scientific community agrees that catastrophic and possibly irreversible environmental change will occur if average global temperatures rise an additional 2 deg. C. Warming to date has already had significant impacts on the Earth and its ecosystems… Most warming seen since the mid 1900s is very likely due to greenhouse gas emissions from human activities.​

American Chemical Society

Careful and comprehensive scientific assessments have clearly demonstrated that the Earth’s climate system is changing rapidly in response to growing atmospheric burdens of greenhouse gases and absorbing aerosol particles. There is very little room for doubt that observed climate trends are due to human activities. The threats are serious and action is urgently needed to mitigate the risks of climate change… The costs of unchecked climate change in economic loss, human misery, and loss of ecosystem services are likely to be enormous.​

American Physical Society

Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate… The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.​

International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences

…most of the observed global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human-produced emission of greenhouse gases and this warming will continue unabated if present anthropogenic emissions continue or, worse, expand without control. CAETS, therefore, endorses the many recent calls to decrease and control greenhouse gas emissions to an acceptable level as quickly as possible.​

Network of African Science Academies
[The thirteen signatories were the science academies of Cameroon, Ghana, Kenya, Madagascar, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, as well as the African Academy of Sciences.]

A consensus, based on current evidence, now exists within the global scientific community that human activities are the main source of climate change and that the burning of fossil fuels is largely responsible for driving this change. The IPCC should be congratulated for the contribution it has made to public understanding of the nexus that exists between energy, climate and sustainability.​

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The emission of anthropogenic greenhouse gases, among which carbon dioxide is the main contributor, has amplified the natural greenhouse effect and led to global warming. The main contribution stems from burning fossil fuels. A further increase will have decisive effects on life on earth. An energy cycle with the lowest possible CO2 emission is called for wherever possible to combat climate change.​

European Science Foundation Position Paper

There is now convincing evidence that since the industrial revolution, human activities, resulting in increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases have become a major agent of climate change. These greenhouse gases affect the global climate by retaining heat in the troposphere, thus raising the average temperature of the planet and altering global atmospheric circulation and precipitation patterns. On-going and increased efforts to mitigate climate change through reduction in greenhouse gases are therefore crucial.​

Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies Policy Statement

Global climate change is real and measurable… The spatial and temporal fingerprint of warming can be traced to increasing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere, which are a direct result of burning fossil fuels, broad-scale deforestation and other human activity.​

European Federation of Geologists Position Paper

The EFG recognizes the work of the IPCC and other organizations, and subscribes to the major findings that climate change is happening, is predominantly caused by anthropogenic emissions of CO2, and poses a significant threat to human civilization. It is clear that major efforts are necessary to quickly and strongly reduce CO2 ​

Geological Society of Australia Position Statement

Human activities have increasing impact on Earth’s environments. Of particular concern are the well-documented loading of carbon dioxide (CO2) to the atmosphere, which has been linked unequivocally to burning of fossil fuels, and the corresponding increase in average global temperature. Risks associated with these large-scale perturbations of the Earth’s fundamental life-support systems include rising sea level, harmful shifts in the acid balance of the oceans and long-term changes in local and regional climate and extreme weather events. GSA therefore recommends…strong action be taken at all levels, including government, industry, and individuals to substantially reduce the current levels of greenhouse gas emissions and mitigate the likely social and environmental effects of increasing atmospheric CO2.​

International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics Resolution

The IUGG concurs with the “comprehensive and widely accepted and endorsed scientific assessments carried out by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and regional and national bodies, which have firmly established, on the basis of scientific evidence, that human activities are the primary cause of recent climate change.”​

American Meteorological Society Council Statement

…there is adequate evidence from observations and interpretations of climate simulations to conclude that the atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; that humans have significantly contributed to this change; and that further climate change will continue to have important impacts on human societies, on economies, on ecosystems, and on wildlife through the 21st century and beyond.​

Royal Meteorological Society (UK)

The Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) of the Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is unequivocal in its conclusion that climate change is happening and that humans are contributing significantly to these changes. The evidence, from not just one source but a number of different measurements, is now far greater and the tools we have to model climate change contain much more of our scientific knowledge within them. The world’s best climate scientists are telling us it’s time to do something about it.​

American Public Health Association Policy Statement

The long-term threat of global climate change to global health is extremely serious and the fourth IPCC report and other scientific literature demonstrate convincingly that anthropogenic GHG emissions are primarily responsible for this threat…US policy makers should immediately take necessary steps to reduce US emissions of GHGs, including carbon dioxide, to avert dangerous climate change.​

Australian Medical Association

The world’s climate — our life-support system — is being altered in ways that are likely to pose significant direct and indirect challenges to health. While ‘climate change’ can be due to natural forces or human activity, there is now substantial evidence to indicate that human activity — and specifically increased greenhouse gas (GHGs) emissions — is a key factor in the pace and extent of global temperature increases.​

There are more. Look them up.

 

[Billy_Bob]

You're a loon and you know nothing about science. Your posts are nothing but delusional drivel and crackpot conspiracy theory lunacy. You have no supporting evidence for your delusions, just a lot of hot air and BS.

Go ahead and explain to the world how ALL of these scientific organizations from countries all around the planet are in a huge conspiracy to deceive you, but how no one in any of these groups has ever broken ranks and spilled the beans about the conspiracy. C'mon dude, I need a good laugh.

Climate-change deniers versus the scientific societies of the world: Who should we listen to?
SFGate
By Peter Gleick
Monday, March 15
My last post said that climate-change deniers have never produced an alternative scientific theory that adequately explains the compelling evidence of climate change from around the world.<snip - Fair Use of copyrighted material>

When I saw the lying thief was your source I almost rolled out of my chair laughing my ass off at you. Your using a lying bastard who, by deception, obtained privileged information through deception. Not going to waste my time looking up lies from Glick and his left wing hack organization.

As to your personal attack on me, who the fuck do you think you are? You might want to obtain some training in science and ethics. Your own post describes you to a T "You're a loon and you know nothing about science. Your posts are nothing but delusional drivel and crackpot conspiracy theory lunacy. You have no supporting evidence for your delusions, just a lot of hot air and BS."

Now take your ball and run home to mommy crying..


FYI:
Just a friendly reminder that copying a full wall of copyrighted material violates the Fair Use Laws and can subject you to fines as well as this board.

 

[Crick]

You have no problem using emails stolen from the CRU servers but think it somehow immoral to quote Peter Gleick? Gee, that's really consistently principled of you.

 

[Billy_Bob]

You have no problem using emails stolen from the CRU servers but think it somehow immoral to quote Peter Gleick? Gee, that's really consistently principled of you.

As I posted before, the file was prepared in response to a Court order and FOIA demand. It was placed on a public server. There was no theft involved. Unlike Glick who intentionally deceived people.. But Troll on

 

[Crick]

As I posted before, let's see some reliable reference stating that was the case.

 

[skookerasbil]

The Right Wing pays about 10% of Scientists millions and maybe Billions to be "on their team". You can simply check how much the Koch Brothers have paid Scientists in an "Anti-Global Warming Program"

2 Things. Why would it be necessary to spend money to back up a Science fact. Science is free.

And Why do 90% of Scientists say Global Warming is real?

I heard a Scientist on Fox News the other day say Global Warming isn't real. THANK GOD. I don't have to worry about our planet because I'm a bias moron that believes in MSM.

Please show proof of your allegations.

The US government paid 865 million dollars in grants for global warming research last year alone. The Skeptics as a whole had less than 2.7 million dollars to do ours... Who are you left wing kooks trying to scam today?

Grant money for research goes entirely into funding the research, not into the researchers pocket, not into publicity or propaganda, just into the research.

You fucking dummy........so what.....the research gets conducted by osmosis??

The AGW people are the most naïve mofus walking the planet. How the fuck do you miss that many memo's along the way to get to this point of being so hopelessly duped.???