Myth of Arctic Meltdown!!!

What a joke......
ALL of your threads are a joke, kookles. And the joke is always on you, you poor confused retard.





According to Danish Meteorological Institute, not only is the arctic cap expanding, its also getting thicker. Take a gander at the space images on the polar ice cap........shit is getting huge!!!!

ww.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html']Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Mail Online

These bozo's lie all the time about this stuff........and then have the gall to call it "science".

More crackpot drivel, same as always from kookles.

Vanishing Arctic Sea Ice: Going Up the Down Escalator
SkepticalScience
by dana1981
7 September 2012
Over the past three decades, Arctic sea ice extent, area, and most importantly, volume have declined dramatically, to levels unseen in millennia. 2012 is absolutely shattering previous record lows, and we expect the continued long-term sea ice decline (which is predominantly human-caused) to have some serious adverse consequences. This is a difficult reality to face, and when faced with a difficult reality, denial is often a natural, inevitable reaction.

The easiest way to deny that a long-term change is happening is to focus on noisy short-term data, where it is easy to find any desired trend through cherrypicking - one of the 5 characteristics of scientific denialism. As we explored in Global Surface Temperature: Going Down the Up Escalator, one just needs to choose a few data points where the short-term trend goes in the opposite direction of the long-term trend and voilá! Nothing to worry about.

We have created a new animated GIF to depict in a simple and straightforward manner exactly why this focus on short-term data is misguided. The principle is very similar to 'going down the up escalator' for global temperatures. In this case, climate contrarians are trying to go up the down escalator, finding very brief periods during which Arctic sea ice extent increases, and proclaiming that it has "recovered," all the while ignoring the accelerating long-term decline (Figure 1).

2013_Arctic_Escalator_1024.gif

Figure 1: NSIDC September Arctic sea ice extent (blue diamonds) with "recovery" years highlighted in red, vs. the long-term sea ice decline fit with a second order polynomial, also in red.

The Neverending Recovery

2007 was the previous year in which the Arctic sea ice decline shattered all records. There is a principle in statistics known as "regression toward the mean," which is the phenomenon that if an extreme value of a variable is observed, the next measurement will generally be less extreme, i.e. we should not expect to observe record lows in consecutive years. This is because when extremes are reached and records are broken, a number of different variables generally have to align in the same direction to make this happen.

For example, 1998 was the hottest year on record and remained the hottest until 2005 because it involved a combination of an exceptionally strong El Niño, fairly high solar activity, low volcanic activity, and the increased human-caused greenhouse effect. All of the most important variables happened to align in the warming direction in 1998, which is why 1998 is often used as the starting point to argue that global warming has magically stopped, as illustrated in the global surface temperature escalator (Figure 2).

Escalator_2012_1024.gif

Figure 2: BEST land-only surface temperature data (green) with linear trends applied to the timeframes 1973 to 1980, 1980 to 1988, 1988 to 1995, 1995 to 2001, 1998 to 2005, 2002 to 2010 (blue), and 1973 to 2010 (red). The baseline period is 1950-1980.

Likewise, the record low Arctic sea ice extent in 2007 was not broken for another five years because on top of the long-term human-caused decline, 2007 involved a perfect combination of weather events and natural cycles contributing to even further sea ice loss.

Thus even when there is a long-term trend, extreme events are often followed by a regression toward less extreme values. This presents an opportunity for those who want to deny the existence of the long-term trend to characterize these regression years as "recoveries," claiming there is nothing to worry about because temperatures seem to be cooling (as in Figure 2) or because Arctic sea ice seems to be bouncing back to normal levels (as in Figure 1).

Slipping Down the Icy Escalator

For example, climate contrarians claimed that after the record low sea ice extent in 2007, the regression years of 2008 (e.g. here and here) and 2009 (here) showed that Arctic sea ice was recovering back to normal, and thus that there was nothing to worry about. This focus on this short-term two-year "recovery" while ignoring the long-term trend led the contrarians to make some very optimistic predictions about 2010 sea ice extent (here), which turned out to be very, very wrong as the brief "recovery" mirage ended and the long-term trend in Arctic sea ice decline continued to accelerate. Undeterred, the contrarians continued to make overly optimistic predictions in 2011 and 2012, which similarly turned out to be very, very wrong. We will have a blog post examining various Arctic sea icepredictions over the past several years once we have reached this year's minimum.

Figure 1 has been added to the Skeptical Science's Animated Climate Graphics Page, and is free for anyone to use and distribute. We suspect it may very well come in handy next year, as another regression toward less extreme values is likely, and if there is another regression, we can certainly expect the climate contrarians to once again proclaim that Arctic sea ice is on its way to a full recovery.

We wish their optimism were not misplaced, but sadly it is only a matter of time before the Arctic becomes ice free in the summer. Denying this reality will only allow the problem to continue doing more damage to ecosystems around the world.
 
What a joke......
ALL of your threads are a joke, kookles. And the joke is always on you, you poor confused retard.





According to Danish Meteorological Institute, not only is the arctic cap expanding, its also getting thicker. Take a gander at the space images on the polar ice cap........shit is getting huge!!!!

ww.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html']Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Mail Online

These bozo's lie all the time about this stuff........and then have the gall to call it "science".

More crackpot drivel, same as always from kookles.

Vanishing Arctic Sea Ice: Going Up the Down Escalator
SkepticalScience
by dana1981
7 September 2012
Over the past three decades, Arctic sea ice extent, area, and most importantly, volume have declined dramatically, to levels unseen in millennia. 2012 is absolutely shattering previous record lows, and we expect the continued long-term sea ice decline (which is predominantly human-caused) to have some serious adverse consequences. This is a difficult reality to face, and when faced with a difficult reality, denial is often a natural, inevitable reaction.

The easiest way to deny that a long-term change is happening is to focus on noisy short-term data, where it is easy to find any desired trend through cherrypicking - one of the 5 characteristics of scientific denialism. As we explored in Global Surface Temperature: Going Down the Up Escalator, one just needs to choose a few data points where the short-term trend goes in the opposite direction of the long-term trend and voilá! Nothing to worry about.

We have created a new animated GIF to depict in a simple and straightforward manner exactly why this focus on short-term data is misguided. The principle is very similar to 'going down the up escalator' for global temperatures. In this case, climate contrarians are trying to go up the down escalator, finding very brief periods during which Arctic sea ice extent increases, and proclaiming that it has "recovered," all the while ignoring the accelerating long-term decline (Figure 1).

2013_Arctic_Escalator_1024.gif

Figure 1: NSIDC September Arctic sea ice extent (blue diamonds) with "recovery" years highlighted in red, vs. the long-term sea ice decline fit with a second order polynomial, also in red.

The Neverending Recovery

2007 was the previous year in which the Arctic sea ice decline shattered all records. There is a principle in statistics known as "regression toward the mean," which is the phenomenon that if an extreme value of a variable is observed, the next measurement will generally be less extreme, i.e. we should not expect to observe record lows in consecutive years. This is because when extremes are reached and records are broken, a number of different variables generally have to align in the same direction to make this happen.

For example, 1998 was the hottest year on record and remained the hottest until 2005 because it involved a combination of an exceptionally strong El Niño, fairly high solar activity, low volcanic activity, and the increased human-caused greenhouse effect. All of the most important variables happened to align in the warming direction in 1998, which is why 1998 is often used as the starting point to argue that global warming has magically stopped, as illustrated in the global surface temperature escalator (Figure 2).

Escalator_2012_1024.gif

Figure 2: BEST land-only surface temperature data (green) with linear trends applied to the timeframes 1973 to 1980, 1980 to 1988, 1988 to 1995, 1995 to 2001, 1998 to 2005, 2002 to 2010 (blue), and 1973 to 2010 (red). The baseline period is 1950-1980.

Likewise, the record low Arctic sea ice extent in 2007 was not broken for another five years because on top of the long-term human-caused decline, 2007 involved a perfect combination of weather events and natural cycles contributing to even further sea ice loss.

Thus even when there is a long-term trend, extreme events are often followed by a regression toward less extreme values. This presents an opportunity for those who want to deny the existence of the long-term trend to characterize these regression years as "recoveries," claiming there is nothing to worry about because temperatures seem to be cooling (as in Figure 2) or because Arctic sea ice seems to be bouncing back to normal levels (as in Figure 1).

Slipping Down the Icy Escalator

For example, climate contrarians claimed that after the record low sea ice extent in 2007, the regression years of 2008 (e.g. here and here) and 2009 (here) showed that Arctic sea ice was recovering back to normal, and thus that there was nothing to worry about. This focus on this short-term two-year "recovery" while ignoring the long-term trend led the contrarians to make some very optimistic predictions about 2010 sea ice extent (here), which turned out to be very, very wrong as the brief "recovery" mirage ended and the long-term trend in Arctic sea ice decline continued to accelerate. Undeterred, the contrarians continued to make overly optimistic predictions in 2011 and 2012, which similarly turned out to be very, very wrong. We will have a blog post examining various Arctic sea icepredictions over the past several years once we have reached this year's minimum.

Figure 1 has been added to the Skeptical Science's Animated Climate Graphics Page, and is free for anyone to use and distribute. We suspect it may very well come in handy next year, as another regression toward less extreme values is likely, and if there is another regression, we can certainly expect the climate contrarians to once again proclaim that Arctic sea ice is on its way to a full recovery.

We wish their optimism were not misplaced, but sadly it is only a matter of time before the Arctic becomes ice free in the summer. Denying this reality will only allow the problem to continue doing more damage to ecosystems around the world.



Nah s0n.......my threads just piss you off!!! You religious idiots have been posting up your predictions for years and years and most all of them fall flat on their face. Of course you are going to get pissed that myself and my skeptic pals highlight this shit. We display the most important point quite vividly.......that nobody knows shit about shit about the "science".......the climate science that morphs all the time with the predictions so they conform with the established narrative. Settled science my ass.......and most importantly, the public doesn't give a shit about global warming. Like folks going and playing the shell game, when they lose enough, they walk away for ever.


Hey.....the entire religion to a person screamed bloody blue murder in 2006 that the polar ice cap would be gone. Its growing at a tremendous rate. If it shrinks again, it proves one thing only.......we don't know dick about whats gonna happen 10 years.....25 years from now.

The science is evolving. Our understanding of climate.......evolving.

Except to the religious nuts.:boobies::boobies::boobies::gay:
 
Nah s0n.......my threads just piss you off!!! You religious idiots have been posting up your predictions for years and years and most all of them fall flat on their face.

No prediction is perfect but the IPCC projections have been far closer to reality than anything that's come out of your side. It is still a fact that no one has produced a GCM capable of recreating the past century that does NOT assume AGW. NO ONE.

Of course you are going to get pissed that myself and my skeptic pals highlight this shit.

I think most of us enjoy correcting you. I'm not crazy about your lying, but that seems to be part of the package.

We display the most important point quite vividly.......that nobody knows shit about shit about the "science".

I find it exceedingly unlikely that you could tell one way or the other. Despite your thousands of posts here, you have never demonstrated any particular familiarity with any of the science involved in these conversations.

.the climate science that morphs all the time with the predictions so they conform with the established narrative. Settled science my ass.

The Earth has been getting warmer for the last 150 years. That warming is primarily due to the greenhouse effect acting on increased CO2 levels in the Earth's atmosphere. The source of that CO2 is humans combusting fossil fuels. That warming as well as chemical effects of the increased CO2 (ocean acidification) presents a number of threats to the future well being of human infrastructure, human culture and humanity. That is the mainstream position and has been for many years.

Deniers, on the other hand, have gone through a laundry list of attempted alternative hypotheses to explain the observations. As each fails, a new alternative is brought forward. That they have failed is apparently an unpleasant memory and one that keeps slipping their minds, as these failed hypotheses keep reappearing.

...and most importantly, the public doesn't give a shit about global warming.

I have never had the faintest idea what relevance you believe that point has to this argument.

Hey.....the entire religion to a person screamed bloody blue murder in 2006 that the polar ice cap would be gone. Its growing at a tremendous rate.

No, it is not.

If it shrinks again, it proves one thing only.......we don't know dick about whats gonna happen 10 years.....25 years from now.

It will continue to shrink. This IS something we do know.
 
Nah s0n.......my threads just piss you off!!! You religious idiots have been posting up your predictions for years and years and most all of them fall flat on their face.

No prediction is perfect but the IPCC projections have been far closer to reality than anything that's come out of your side. It is still a fact that no one has produced a GCM capable of recreating the past century that does NOT assume AGW. NO ONE.


It will continue to shrink. This IS something we do know.
yOu all are still hilarious. "No prediction is perfect" no proof, because scence can't be proven. Your all's words not mine. yet there is a catastrophe happening and we all ought to shut up our houses and pack away our cars and climb in a hole and live like rabbits. Your crap is so thick it might even be deeper than the ice in the arctic in summer,. You're a k00k and a parrott. Your posts are the same today as they were three months ago, and yet there is still no evidence and again, 98% of models are wrong. Go home and finish with your rant to your own family and stay out of ours. Same ole mumbo jumbo soup, must be from Louisiana eh?
 
I love having to defend myself from one poster for constantly pushing different ideas and from another for constantly pushing the same, all in the same day.

I suggest you go to school, or back to school or stay in school or whatever applies. Take some science classes. Listen. Learn. You'll be better for it.
 
I love having to defend myself from one poster for constantly pushing different ideas and from another for constantly pushing the same, all in the same day.

I suggest you go to school, or back to school or stay in school or whatever applies. Take some science classes. Listen. Learn. You'll be better for it.
Perhaps it is you who needs the schooling. Again, I am no science major, I admit it. I am a concerned citizen who sees mumo jumbo from the likes of you who can't answer one simple question. I have the integrity to admit my limitations, but you, naw, you don't, act like you have all the answers, but have nothing that supports your claim. No evidence, no proof not even a model that reflects the observed temperatures or climate.
 
I love having to defend myself from one poster for constantly pushing different ideas and from another for constantly pushing the same, all in the same day.

I suggest you go to school, or back to school or stay in school or whatever applies. Take some science classes. Listen. Learn. You'll be better for it.
Perhaps it is you who needs the schooling. Again, I am no science major, I admit it. I am a concerned citizen who sees mumo jumbo from the likes of you who can't answer one simple question.
"no science major"....LOLOLOLOLOL....no shit.....you are, in fact, a demented clueless retard filled with misinformation and lies about AGW. You know less about science than most fourth graders.


I have the integrity to admit my limitations,
Oh, JustCrazy, you don't have even the limited amount of intelligence necessary to be able to recognize just how extremely "limited" and retarded you actually are. You are a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action.




but you, naw, you don't, act like you have all the answers, but have nothing that supports your claim. No evidence, no proof not even a model that reflects the observed temperatures or climate.
Your denial of the reality of the enormous amounts of evidence supporting the scientific conclusions about AGW is really just a result of your extreme retardation and ignorance plus the fossil fuel industry brainwashing that you've embraced
 
Since 2007 it has more or less bounced around. No trend.
More bullshit.

Warmest years in order

2010
2005
2007
2009
2013
(Source: Cowtan & Way 2014)

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How can you say that isn't bouncing around? If we were warming as fast as we were in the 1990's the avg world temperature would be near .72c.+.

Serioiusly, look at 1970-2000 on that graph...Look how the last 15 years has become ever flatter.
 
I love having to defend myself from one poster for constantly pushing different ideas and from another for constantly pushing the same, all in the same day.

I suggest you go to school, or back to school or stay in school or whatever applies. Take some science classes. Listen. Learn. You'll be better for it.
Perhaps it is you who needs the schooling. Again, I am no science major, I admit it. I am a concerned citizen who sees mumo jumbo from the likes of you who can't answer one simple question.
"no science major"....LOLOLOLOLOL....no shit.....you are, in fact, a demented clueless retard filled with misinformation and lies about AGW. You know less about science than most fourth graders.


I have the integrity to admit my limitations,
Oh, JustCrazy, you don't have even the limited amount of intelligence necessary to be able to recognize just how extremely "limited" and retarded you actually are. You are a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action.




but you, naw, you don't, act like you have all the answers, but have nothing that supports your claim. No evidence, no proof not even a model that reflects the observed temperatures or climate.
Your denial of the reality of the enormous amounts of evidence supporting the scientific conclusions about AGW is really just a result of your extreme retardation and ignorance plus the fossil fuel industry brainwashing that you've embraced
So are you a science major?

Dude, you don't need to be a science major to know when someone is pulling wool over your eyes. Or, maybe you do!!! Me I need evidence, and modeling is not evidence no matter how hard you want to spin that. evidence is achieved through tests, and to date no one can provide a test that shows what 120 PPM of added CO2 does to temperatures. There isn't one there dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So again, one doesn't need to be a science major to know this.
 
no warming in 19 years s0ns.:up:


Derivatives.......adjectives........trends.........

Doesnt change shit.....the k00ks are losing. Oh....and the polar ice cap is getting bigger s0ns!!!! NOT WINNING!!!:beer:
 
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no one can provide a test that shows what 120 PPM of added CO2 does to temperatures. There isn't one there dude!

Do you really believe that the thousands and thousands of scientists around the world who have accepted AGW as a valid explanation of the behavior of our climate, would do so if the physical viability of the theory had not been established?
 
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Ice shrinks, Northwest Passage opens up
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Arctic ice has shrunk to the lowest level on record, new satellite images show, raising the possibility that the Northwest Passage that eluded famous explorers will become an open shipping lane.

The European Space Agency said nearly 200 satellite photos this month taken together showed an ice-free passage along northern Canada, Alaska and Greenland, and ice retreating to its lowest level since such images were first taken in 1978.

The waters are exposing unexplored resources, and vessels could trim thousands of miles from Europe to Asia by bypassing the Panama Canal. The seasonal ebb and flow of ice levels has already opened up a slim summer window for ships.

Leif Toudal Pedersen, of the Danish National Space Center, said that Arctic ice has shrunk to some 1 million square miles. The previous low was 1.5 million square miles, in 2005.

Ice shrinks Northwest Passage opens up - ABC News
 
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Ice shrinks, Northwest Passage opens up
PARIS



Arctic ice has shrunk to the lowest level on record, new satellite images show, raising the possibility that the Northwest Passage that eluded famous explorers will become an open shipping lane.

The European Space Agency said nearly 200 satellite photos this month taken together showed an ice-free passage along northern Canada, Alaska and Greenland, and ice retreating to its lowest level since such images were first taken in 1978.

The waters are exposing unexplored resources, and vessels could trim thousands of miles from Europe to Asia by bypassing the Panama Canal. The seasonal ebb and flow of ice levels has already opened up a slim summer window for ships.

Leif Toudal Pedersen, of the Danish National Space Center, said that Arctic ice has shrunk to some 1 million square miles. The previous low was 1.5 million square miles, in 2005.

Ice shrinks Northwest Passage opens up - ABC News




meh


I'll go with the NASA satellite images which show enormous increase of the Arctic Ice :banana:>>>>


Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Mail Online
 
I don't understand where there information is coming from. Per the NSIDC, the lowest minimum took place in 2012. The next lowest in 2007. Here is a graph showing Current, 2012 and 2005.
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The heavy black line is the mean of 1981-2010. The grey shaded area is +2 sd of those data. The unfinished line is, of course, the current year, the dotted line is 2012 and the green line is 2005.

If we read that graph as saying current extent is 5.5 million square kilometers, that would convert to 2.12 million square miles, a long ways from the 1 million square miles the Danish source claims.
 
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Ice shrinks, Northwest Passage opens up
PARIS



Arctic ice has shrunk to the lowest level on record, new satellite images show, raising the possibility that the Northwest Passage that eluded famous explorers will become an open shipping lane.

The European Space Agency said nearly 200 satellite photos this month taken together showed an ice-free passage along northern Canada, Alaska and Greenland, and ice retreating to its lowest level since such images were first taken in 1978.

The waters are exposing unexplored resources, and vessels could trim thousands of miles from Europe to Asia by bypassing the Panama Canal. The seasonal ebb and flow of ice levels has already opened up a slim summer window for ships.

Leif Toudal Pedersen, of the Danish National Space Center, said that Arctic ice has shrunk to some 1 million square miles. The previous low was 1.5 million square miles, in 2005.

Ice shrinks Northwest Passage opens up - ABC News




meh


I'll go with the NASA satellite images which show enormous increase of the Arctic Ice :banana:>>>>


Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore s prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now Mail Online

Dood

I have no horse in this race and rarely ever comment in the global warming threads. However, I will tell you as a Canadian, you learn as a child that the Northwest Passage is a part of our culture and history. Explorers from hundreds of years ago tried to find a way through it as a passage to Asia. And today, companies - you know, the organizations conservatives love so much - are exploring shipping routes through there. Whether they will or not, I don't know, but real, live commerce is looking to profit from it because the ice has opened up in a way that has never been known before.
 
NASA says ( see link above ) regarding polar ice >>>>

This was the highest level recorded on that date since 2006 (see graph, right), and represents an increase of 1.71 million square kilometres over the past two years – an impressive 43 per cent.




:2up:"Increase" means MORE ice, not less.:2up:




Nobody cares about the northwest passage.:itsok:
 

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