My war with Paul supporters is over

[paulitician]

Just vote for Gary Johnson like the rest of us who enjoy freedom. Who people vote for this election will be the litmus test of intelligence in my personal associations, that's for sure.

I hear what you're saying, but personal moral victories won't change anything. It's a Two-Party System. It is what it is.

They can change quite a lot actually. What sort of political sea-change would occur if Gary Johnson gets 20% of the vote, for example? That would be huge - regardless of who actually wins the election. That kind of result would have far more impact on the future of this nation than the piddling differences between Romney and Obama.

No offense, but that's just not going to happen. And even if it did, it still wouldn't make much of a difference. Like i said, it's a Two-Party System. It is what it is.

 

[paulitician]

I hear what you're saying, but personal moral victories won't change anything. It's a Two-Party System. It is what it is.

They can change quite a lot actually. What sort of political sea-change would occur if Gary Johnson gets 20% of the vote, for example? That would be huge - regardless of who actually wins the election. That kind of result would have far more impact on the future of this nation than the piddling differences between Romney and Obama.

That's what I am saying. A vote for freedom is not a wasted vote. It will echo into the future, we just have to get all we can to take the first stand this election.

Why do you think Ron Paul is a Republican? He understands it's a Two-Party System. You have to change things from the inside. And that's why his son Rand will be a great leader in the future as well. Because unfortunately, personal moral victories just aren't enough. It just won't change anything. You have to fight from within.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Yeah! We need 8 more years of Obama(Romney). Four just wouldn't be enough!

Sorry dude, but Obama's nonsense is unprecedented and frankly it'd be unfair to assume anyone would be so terrible. And don't act like we're not paying attention. There are glaring differences between Obama and Romney. GLARING DIFFERENCES.

There are trivial differences at best. And on at least of few of those differences, I'd lead toward Obama (defense spending, for example). There might be some minor ways Romney would be better, but in balance, it's a wash. Definitely not worth wasting a vote over.

It's especially ridiculous to hold up Romney as the remedy to ACA, something he basically initiated.

Listen to the campaign messages. There are huge differences. Barrack wants to expand government and he has done so while having the unmitigated audacity to claim he's spent less than any president in 60 years (that alone dq's him from consideration - that's just pathological). And then well you can go to Romney's own site and see the stark difference between that and what he wants. One wants Obamacare, one has promised to revoke it right away. Give me a break. Stop being a tool and admit things for what they are. The left is so pathetic. They want to brainwash us and we ain't buying that BS.

GLARING DIFFERENCES ASSHOLE.

 

[Liability]

Having a different opinion from you is not "intellectually baseless" or "dishonest." It's simply a disagreement, and no name calling or gnashing of teeth is going to change that fact.

It's not that you disagree with me, per se, K.

Sometimes having a completely indefensible "opinion" which is contradictory of one's original premises IS intellectually baseless and dishonest.

This is the case with you.

It takes quite a twist of logic to say that refusing to vote for a statist is somehow supporting statism.

Nice fallacy. But what I did say is that refusing to avoid allowing the worst person to continue his destructive actions is the same thing as voting for it.

So you ARE voting for the worst statist.

Your spinning will make you dizzy.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Sorry dude, but Obama's nonsense is unprecedented and frankly it'd be unfair to assume anyone would be so terrible. And don't act like we're not paying attention. There are glaring differences between Obama and Romney. GLARING DIFFERENCES.

There are trivial differences at best. And on at least of few of those differences, I'd lead toward Obama (defense spending, for example). There might be some minor ways Romney would be better, but in balance, it's a wash. Definitely not worth wasting a vote over.

It's especially ridiculous to hold up Romney as the remedy to ACA, something he basically initiated.

Listen to the campaign messages. There are huge differences. Barrack wants to expand government and he has done so while having the unmitigated audacity to claim he's spent less than any president in 60 years (that alone dq's him from consideration - that's just pathological). And then well you can go to Romney's own site and see the stark difference between that and what he wants. One wants Obamacare, one has promised to revoke it right away. Give me a break. Stop being a tool and admit things for what they are. The left is so pathetic. They want to brainwash us and we ain't buying that BS.

GLARING DIFFERENCES ASSHOLE.

If you make that maybe one size bigger I bet we start to believe you.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

It's not that you disagree with me, per se, K.

Sometimes having a completely indefensible "opinion" which is contradictory of one's original premises IS intellectually baseless and dishonest.

This is the case with you.

It takes quite a twist of logic to say that refusing to vote for a statist is somehow supporting statism.

Nice fallacy. But what I did say is that refusing to avoid allowing the worst person to continue his destructive actions is the same thing as voting for it.

So you ARE voting for the worst statist.

Your spinning will make you dizzy.

So by actively not voting, I'm really voting for Obama? And I'm the one that's dizzy?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

There are trivial differences at best. And on at least of few of those differences, I'd lead toward Obama (defense spending, for example). There might be some minor ways Romney would be better, but in balance, it's a wash. Definitely not worth wasting a vote over.

It's especially ridiculous to hold up Romney as the remedy to ACA, something he basically initiated.

Listen to the campaign messages. There are huge differences. Barrack wants to expand government and he has done so while having the unmitigated audacity to claim he's spent less than any president in 60 years (that alone dq's him from consideration - that's just pathological). And then well you can go to Romney's own site and see the stark difference between that and what he wants. One wants Obamacare, one has promised to revoke it right away. Give me a break. Stop being a tool and admit things for what they are. The left is so pathetic. They want to brainwash us and we ain't buying that BS.

GLARING DIFFERENCES ASSHOLE.

If you make that maybe one size bigger I bet we start to believe you.

Once more, with clarity?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

It takes quite a twist of logic to say that refusing to vote for a statist is somehow supporting statism.

Nice fallacy. But what I did say is that refusing to avoid allowing the worst person to continue his destructive actions is the same thing as voting for it.

So you ARE voting for the worst statist.

Your spinning will make you dizzy.

So by actively not voting, I'm really voting for Obama? And I'm the one that's dizzy?

You are in essence (and you're not in essence). But hey, that's what happens when you have competing principles. It's a conundrum for sure.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Listen to the campaign messages. There are huge differences. Barrack wants to expand government and he has done so while having the unmitigated audacity to claim he's spent less than any president in 60 years (that alone dq's him from consideration - that's just pathological). And then well you can go to Romney's own site and see the stark difference between that and what he wants. One wants Obamacare, one has promised to revoke it right away. Give me a break. Stop being a tool and admit things for what they are. The left is so pathetic. They want to brainwash us and we ain't buying that BS.

GLARING DIFFERENCES ASSHOLE.

If you make that maybe one size bigger I bet we start to believe you.

Once more, with clarity?

My apologies.

If you make that maybe one size bigger I bet we start to believe you.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Nice fallacy. But what I did say is that refusing to avoid allowing the worst person to continue his destructive actions is the same thing as voting for it.

So you ARE voting for the worst statist.

Your spinning will make you dizzy.

So by actively not voting, I'm really voting for Obama? And I'm the one that's dizzy?

You are in essence (and you're not in essence). But hey, that's what happens when you have competing principles. It's a conundrum for sure.

I don't have any competing principles in this instance, however. My principles are to never vote for a statist, and so I won't vote for Romney.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

If you make that maybe one size bigger I bet we start to believe you.

Once more, with clarity?

My apologies.

If you make that maybe one size bigger I bet we start to believe you.

What is "that?" What is "one size bigger." Do you know what clarity means? Say whatever it is you're trying to say. There's clearly a disconnect here. Pretend you aren't building off of dialogue and let whatever you are trying to say speak for itself.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Once more, with clarity?

My apologies.

If you make that maybe one size bigger I bet we start to believe you.

What is "that?" What is "one size bigger." Do you know what clarity means? Say whatever it is you're trying to say. There's clearly a disconnect here. Pretend you aren't building off of dialogue and let whatever you are trying to say speak for itself.

Could you be more clear about what it is that you want?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

My apologies.

If you make that maybe one size bigger I bet we start to believe you.

What is "that?" What is "one size bigger." Do you know what clarity means? Say whatever it is you're trying to say. There's clearly a disconnect here. Pretend you aren't building off of dialogue and let whatever you are trying to say speak for itself.

Could you be more clear about what it is that you want?

I want you to say the point you are trying to make and the point should be specific and speak for itself. I think that's easy enough if you'll just do it. Because I seriously have no idea what you were trying to say before.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

What is "that?" What is "one size bigger." Do you know what clarity means? Say whatever it is you're trying to say. There's clearly a disconnect here. Pretend you aren't building off of dialogue and let whatever you are trying to say speak for itself.

Could you be more clear about what it is that you want?

I want you to say the point you are trying to make and the point should be specific and speak for itself. I think that's easy enough if you'll just do it. Because I seriously have no idea what you were trying to say before.

Oh. You were talking about the font (making a dumb joke). You referred to making it bigger while in the midst of talking about "big government." Never mind. I thought you had a point that was on topic and not some nonsense.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

What is "that?" What is "one size bigger." Do you know what clarity means? Say whatever it is you're trying to say. There's clearly a disconnect here. Pretend you aren't building off of dialogue and let whatever you are trying to say speak for itself.

Could you be more clear about what it is that you want?

I want you to say the point you are trying to make and the point should be specific and speak for itself. I think that's easy enough if you'll just do it. Because I seriously have no idea what you were trying to say before.

I'm lost, like Robert Frost, on a path, he'd never crossed.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Could you be more clear about what it is that you want?

I want you to say the point you are trying to make and the point should be specific and speak for itself. I think that's easy enough if you'll just do it. Because I seriously have no idea what you were trying to say before.

Oh. You were talking about the font (making a dumb joke). You referred to making it bigger while in the midst of talking about "big government." Never mind. I thought you had a point that was on topic and not some nonsense.

I don't know why you'd think that.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I want you to say the point you are trying to make and the point should be specific and speak for itself. I think that's easy enough if you'll just do it. Because I seriously have no idea what you were trying to say before.

Oh. You were talking about the font (making a dumb joke). You referred to making it bigger while in the midst of talking about "big government." Never mind. I thought you had a point that was on topic and not some nonsense.

I don't know why you'd think that.

Just shut the fuck up or say what you're trying to say then asswipe.

 

[thanatos144]

Holy shit......I tried to use the olive branch of peace to only been spat on by some highly rabid people....I posted the same OP in other forums and mostly what I get is pissed libertarians saying to stop mixing them with Paul supporters. Maybe they are right....Maybe I am reaching out to the wrong people cause obviously they refuse to even discuss things.

To many of you seem quite happy with Obama getting a second term just for revenge that the majority of republicans dont believe Paul would make a good candidate....Hell President. I sure don't think he would. But this wasnt to be about the president but more with the congress....But instead I get children mocking my post or feeling the need to make asinine statements about Romney....I dont frankly care for Romney myself much but at least I can see he is not a radical ideologue hellbent on a socialist America. To me only a fool refuses to move from a speeding train cause the train isnt the right model.

You know what guys? I honestly tried.......What did I get ? Childish venom .......

 

[Cowman]

You know what guys? I honestly tried.......What did I get ? Childish venom .......

That's what Paul supporters have gotten for years.

What, you expected something different?

 

[dblack]

You know what guys? I honestly tried.......What did I get ? Childish venom .......

That's what Paul supporters have gotten for years.

And who did we get it from? Hmmm.. I wonder.