CDZ My child's right to a safe school versus your right to guns

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    Right, which is a lot different than providing security. Making sure your student doesn't jump up and down on their desk is wildly different than jumping in front of a mass shooter to take bullets for their kids.


    Since when!? That duty is one you completely imagined on your own. Which is why none of you have been able to actually prove this assertion true using contracts and laws. Instead, you fall back on what you perceive to be true but only because you've been conditioned to think that. Prior to Columbine, the belief that teachers are responsible for the safety of their students was non existent. Post-Columbine, that became the case only because parents were too lazy or cowardly to confront the social issues that cause students to be unsafe.


    A foreseeable risk that wasn't caused by teachers, but rather by Conservatives and lazy parents who don't want to do anything to reform the gun laws and instead want to foist responsibility on educators whose only job is to educate.
     
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    Most of the gun in Honduras came from the United States.

    So you hold up Honduras as some kind of proof of something, leaving your entire argument open to a devastating broad-side attack.

    That attack being that gun crime in Honduras is because our guns end up there.
     
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    Yeah Obama did a great job in Fast and Furious too until he got caught and then killed Brian Terry while he was at it.

    Either way Switz. makes it so their population is armed and they do have the lowest crime rates in the world. Everyone has to have a gun. Imagine that.
     
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    Read more about Switzerland’s success, and what the United States can do to emulate that success in my series The Armed American Family, Parts I, II, III, IV, V, and VI.



    VIDEO: Why Switzerland Has The Lowest Crime Rate In The World
     
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    A program that started with Bush with the intent of figuring out how American guns end up in countries like Honduras.


    Switzerland has crazy strict rules for guns. So if you want to hold up Switzerland as the example, fine. Just be cognizant of what it is their gun laws actually entail because I'm 100% certain you'd oppose those rules here.

    Assuming of course you're even an American and not some Russian troll pretending to be an American. Which you probably are since your profile was created in the middle of the Russian troll efforts, and you rely and use memes created by Russian trolls.
     
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    Maybe read about Switzerland's gun laws before thinking they prove your assertion.
     
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    I make a clear distinction between ARMING teachers, which carries with it the idea of supplying weapons to unqualified teachers and expecting them to become Rambo, and ALLOWING qualified teachers that are already familiar with their weapons, familiar with existing gun laws, and have a CC permit to go through additional training to carry their weapon in school. That teacher would then be expected to guard the door to his classroom, not be shooting into a crowded hall way.

    That position is continually mischaracterized as the former. I suspect that is because those doing the misharacterization believe it to be an easier target.
     
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    There's no distinction there. Both the "armed teachers" in GA and UT, who discharged their weapons over the last week, were both long time gun owners.

    So you do support arming teachers. So why did you say you didn't?

    This is just "No true Scotsman".


    Because it's the same position. You say you don't support arming teachers, then you say you do.

    FFS.
     
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    I agree. These school shooters are cowards who want to target lambs that won't or can't fight back. That is why they target schools and children at school. They are a PERFECT target for this type of lunacy. These liberals seem to be under the mistaken impression that these are spur of the moment type events too. They aren't. These loons usually plan out their massacres weeks or months in advance of carrying them out. A few inconvenient gun control laws aren't going to do much when you are putting in THAT kind of effort to kill people and break the MOST cardinal rule of all.
     
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