What happens when you don't have the Right to own and carry guns? Home invasions by violent criminals, The Australian edition...

[2aguy]

We have the Right to own and carry guns....so criminals in the U.S. go to great lengths to avoid home owners ......they are afraid to get shot. There are stupid criminals here, which is why some do get shot......but compared to the other countries in Europe, America sees fewer "Hot" burglaries.....break ins when the homeowner is on site.......

Australia .... a case in point.....

In one incident last April, a gang of youths armed with machetes and a rifle smashed their way into a Melton home in Melbourne. They confronted the occupants and demanded cash.

They made off with jewellery and a vehicle parked in the driveway.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/home/chilling-home-security-footage-reveals-the-growing-threat-of-home-invasion-with-breakins-on-the-rise/news-story/0794c9dfec3a62f7364320c93b0c96a0

They had a rifle? How did "yoots" get a rifle in Australia?

 

[peacefan]

well, the cops have a monopoly on guns (and the use of violence) in my country, and we hardly ever have violent crime pop up in the national news. so i'm in favor of a violence monopoly for cops.

 

[Flash]

well, the cops have a monopoly on guns (and the use of violence) in my country, and we hardly ever have violent crime pop up in the national news. so i'm in favor of a violence monopoly for cops.

If we ship you a bunch of our Negroes and Illegals your violent crime rate will soar and you would be a strong supporter of the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Blues Man]

Let's not forget that in those countries like Australia, homeowners can actually be charged with assault for striking a criminal who invaded their homes

 

[pknopp]

You can buy guns in Australia. Where did the idea you can't come from?

https://www.gunemporium.com.au/

 

[Blues Man]

You can buy guns in Australia. Where did the idea you can't come from?

https://www.gunemporium.com.au/

gun ownership is not a right in Oz it's a privilege granted by the government.

 

[pknopp]

gun ownership is not a right in Oz it's a privilege granted by the government.

Not really what was being questioned. You can own a gun in Australia.

 

[pknopp]

Let's not forget that in those countries like Australia, homeowners can actually be charged with assault for striking a criminal who invaded their homes

You can also protect yourself in Australia.

In the criminal law of Australia, self-defence is a legal defence to a charge of causing injury or death in defence of the person or, to a limited extent, property,

Self-defence (Australia) - Wikipedia

 

[Blues Man]

Not really what was being questioned. You can own a gun in Australia.

Maybe if the state thinks you "need" one

It's not a given

 

[Blues Man]

You can also protect yourself in Australia.

In the criminal law of Australia, self-defence is a legal defence to a charge of causing injury or death in defence of the person or, to a limited extent, property,

Self-defence (Australia) - Wikipedia

Until the state decides that you punching a criminal invading your home is actually assault and not self defense.

 

[pknopp]

Maybe if the state thinks you "need" one

It's not a given

It's not but you can still own a gun.

 

[Blues Man]

It's not but you can still own a gun.

Only if the state tells you you can.

 

[pknopp]

Until the state decides that you punching a criminal invading your home is actually assault and not self defense.

People get arrested here for the same.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/us/texas-man-shoots-intruder-trnd/index.html

 

[pknopp]

Only if the state tells you you can.

So what? The claim is you can't own a gun in Australia so criminals have no qualms with just breaking in.

 

[woodwork201]

So what? The claim is you can't own a gun in Australia so criminals have no qualms with just breaking in.

Really? You're going to imply that gun ownership and self-protection in Australia is just like it is in the US? There is no comparison. Gun ownership in the United States is far too limited by Government and yet, in comparison to the United States, Australia restricts gun ownership far, far, more than in the US.

he principle features of the NFA, as described in a study on the regulatory reform (Ozanne-Smith et al., 2004, pp. 282–283), were as follows:

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/1996-national-firearms-agreement.html:

• Ban on importation, ownership, sale, resale, transfer, possession, manufacture, or use of all self-loading center rifles, all self-loading and pump action shotguns, and all self-loading rimfire rifles (some exemptions allowable to primary producers and clay target shooters)

Here's the Government of one of the Australian States clearly stating that you cannot defend yourself with any weapon, including guns:

Guns and other weapons | Victoria Legal Aid

The law says you can’t carry, possess or use a weapon, including guns, knives, and other weapons and ‘dangerous articles’, to hurt people or to defend yourself.

www.legalaid.vic.gov.au

The law says you can’t carry, possess or use a weapon, including guns, knives, and other weapons and ‘dangerous articles’, to hurt people or to defend yourself.

Even pepper spray is illegal in all of Australia except Perth and whatever state that is in.

In addition, there is no right to freely speak about politicians or government so the laws can never change because the people can never speak up to change them. Australia, today, as with the UK and Canada, makes the Soviet Union look like a bastion of freedom.

Australians Are Quietly Losing Their Right to Free Speech | Joshua Krook | Oxford Political Review

October 8, 2020 | In September, more than half of Australia’s environmental scientists working for the federal and state governments reported that they had been "prohibited from communicating scientific information” to the general public. Research on climate change, the extinction of animal...

oxfordpoliticalreview.com

 

[pknopp]

Really? You're going to imply that gun ownership and self-protection in Australia is just like it is in the US?

I never argued it was so since that is the case I have no obligation to address what you said.

I made a simple statement that people in Australia can buy guns.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

You can also protect yourself in Australia.

In the criminal law of Australia, self-defence is a legal defence to a charge of causing injury or death in defence of the person or, to a limited extent, property,

Self-defence (Australia) - Wikipedia

Not with a gun. You can get guns for all kinds of reasons, but self-defense is not one of them. Using a gun in a way not consistent with your license is a crime.