MTP: Climate Change Discussion - no Deniers

[SassyIrishLass]

Watching Meet the Press. They have dedicated the whole hour to climate change. They have no deniers on the panel and as Chuck Todd correctly stated the science is long since settled. Now it is time to discuss solutions.

A recent poll shows even a majority of Republicans do not dispute anthropogenic climate change.
Opinion | More Republicans Than You Think Support Action on Climate Change

I applaud Meet the Press. Time to push deniers and their pseudo science to the curb or back into closet. Choose your metaphor. They are just standing in the way and are no more than obstructionists.

We need to discuss only solutions and adaptations.

Chuck Todd?

Settled science isn't falsifying data to keep the grand wealth redistribution scheme going

 

[Olde Europe]

A comprehensive conversation requires a wide range of viewpoints, including contrarians. You never know what might pop up. We just no longer care about that, because we're no longer listening.

Because, what we really, really need for a comprehensive conversation is stooges lying through their teeth on behalf of Exxon's bottom line for decades, because we know exactly what will "pop up". SMH.

See?
.

Yeah, I see. The Exxon stooge shows up, saying, basically, "Yes, I am a paid-for liar, and I'll tell you exactly the same counter-factual crap I've been telling for years, but no 'debate' shall remain un-besmirched by my presence, and no scientific truth shall be spared my mendacious distortions, so hear me out!"

You, following your demented shtick, make that sordid comedy and corporate propaganda into a fact-finding mission.

 

[Correll]

1. The context was obvious.

2. You greenies have been addressing Global Warming now for decades. YOu have been asked for a summary of results.

3. You cannot give any.

You are deflecting give me solutions.

Give me the results your solutions have accomplished so far.

I have all ready answered your question. The issue is how many tens of billions of dollars will it cost us to do nothing about climate change. I am focused on the future and you the past. You can either keep your head buried in the sand or move to action. The consequences are upon us. So what are your solutions?

Your admission that your work so far has accomplished nothing is accepted.

Your deflection noted.

No deflection. Deal with it.

 

[JLW]

Your context was not obvious, but your post is now deflection. The purpose of the thread is to discuss future action. Past action has been stymied by Republican obstructionism whether you choose to admit it or not. For instance tax credits for solar energy were on the rise when the Koch brothers supported a tax on solar panels. Give me solutions and not your typical obstructionism.

1. The context was obvious.

2. You greenies have been addressing Global Warming now for decades. YOu have been asked for a summary of results.

3. You cannot give any.

You are deflecting give me solutions.

Give me the results your solutions have accomplished so far.

I have all ready answered your question. The issue is how many tens of billions of dollars will it cost us to do nothing about climate change. I am focused on the future and you the past. You can either keep your head buried in the sand or move to action. The consequences are upon us. So what are your solutions?

you can't change the climate ''quick enough''

We can action to lessen the effects of climate change. It will be difficult, I am under no illusion. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The prevention stage may be passed but if we start now we may save on the cure.

 

[Polishprince]

Watching Meet the Press. They have dedicated the whole hour to climate change. They have no deniers on the panel and as Chuck Todd correctly stated the science is long since settled. Now it is time to discuss solutions.

A recent poll shows even a majority of Republicans do not dispute anthropogenic climate change.
Opinion | More Republicans Than You Think Support Action on Climate Change

I applaud Meet the Press. Time to push deniers and their pseudo science to the curb or back into closet. Choose your metaphor. They are just standing in the way and are no more than obstructionists.

We need to discuss only solutions and adaptations.

Chuck Todd?

Settled science isn't falsifying data to keep the grand wealth redistribution scheme going

That's exactly it, Climate Change Hysteria is just a scamola to trick the people into not only accepting but demanding socialism and the end of freedom.

If it was proven false, it wouldn't matter as the Elite would just find another crank theory to demand the same "reforms".

The very idea that mankind can change the weather is really rather idolatrous, as only Almighty God can change the weather. It isn't our place, and the world is so vast, it is impossible.

 

[Polishprince]

A comprehensive conversation requires a wide range of viewpoints, including contrarians. You never know what might pop up. We just no longer care about that, because we're no longer listening.

Because, what we really, really need for a comprehensive conversation is stooges lying through their teeth on behalf of Exxon's bottom line for decades, because we know exactly what will "pop up". SMH.

See?
.

Yeah, I see. The Exxon stooge shows up, saying, basically, "Yes, I am a paid-for liar, and I'll tell you exactly the same counter-factual crap I've been telling for years, but no 'debate' shall remain un-besmirched by my presence, and no scientific truth shall be spared my mendacious distortions, so hear me out!"

You, following your demented shtick, make that sordid comedy and corporate propaganda into a fact-finding mission.

Exxon is a great company, they do a fantastic job. I worked for them as pump man back in the 1970's, its a real quality product.

 

[Olde Europe]

A comprehensive conversation requires a wide range of viewpoints, including contrarians. You never know what might pop up. We just no longer care about that, because we're no longer listening.

Because, what we really, really need for a comprehensive conversation is stooges lying through their teeth on behalf of Exxon's bottom line for decades, because we know exactly what will "pop up". SMH.

See?
.

Yeah, I see. The Exxon stooge shows up, saying, basically, "Yes, I am a paid-for liar, and I'll tell you exactly the same counter-factual crap I've been telling for years, but no 'debate' shall remain un-besmirched by my presence, and no scientific truth shall be spared my mendacious distortions, so hear me out!"

You, following your demented shtick, make that sordid comedy and corporate propaganda into a fact-finding mission.

Ah, hit, again, by the weapon of the intellectually helpless:

Funny x 1
Mac1958

What an idiot you've become, Mac.

The nation's problem isn't that "contrarians" are excluded. It's that truth and falsehood / lies / distortions / propaganda were given equal weight for far too long, and the "both-sides" morons want to keep it that way.

 

[JLW]

Watching Meet the Press. They have dedicated the whole hour to climate change. They have no deniers on the panel and as Chuck Todd correctly stated the science is long since settled. Now it is time to discuss solutions.

A recent poll shows even a majority of Republicans do not dispute anthropogenic climate change.
Opinion | More Republicans Than You Think Support Action on Climate Change

I applaud Meet the Press. Time to push deniers and their pseudo science to the curb or back into closet. Choose your metaphor. They are just standing in the way and are no more than obstructionists.

We need to discuss only solutions and adaptations.

Chuck Todd?

Settled science isn't falsifying data to keep the grand wealth redistribution scheme going

I have news for you, one way or another someone is going to pay, and pay big. Either we take action or your kids will. The predictions of climate change are coming true. The proverbial writing is on the wall. Miami is taking action on rising sea levels and many coastal communities now are discussing the issue.

One can be proactive or reactive. That is the debate with climate change in a nutshell.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Watching Meet the Press. They have dedicated the whole hour to climate change. They have no deniers on the panel and as Chuck Todd correctly stated the science is long since settled. Now it is time to discuss solutions.

A recent poll shows even a majority of Republicans do not dispute anthropogenic climate change.
Opinion | More Republicans Than You Think Support Action on Climate Change

I applaud Meet the Press. Time to push deniers and their pseudo science to the curb or back into closet. Choose your metaphor. They are just standing in the way and are no more than obstructionists.

We need to discuss only solutions and adaptations.

Chuck Todd?

Settled science isn't falsifying data to keep the grand wealth redistribution scheme going

That's exactly it, Climate Change Hysteria is just a scamola to trick the people into not only accepting but demanding socialism and the end of freedom.

If it was proven false, it wouldn't matter as the Elite would just find another crank theory to demand the same "reforms".

The very idea that mankind can change the weather is really rather idolatrous, as only Almighty God can change the weather. It isn't our place, and the world is so vast, it is impossible.

You have to realize you're not dealing with the brightest bulbs on the strand when it comes to left loons. Easily duped and led

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Watching Meet the Press. They have dedicated the whole hour to climate change. They have no deniers on the panel and as Chuck Todd correctly stated the science is long since settled. Now it is time to discuss solutions.

A recent poll shows even a majority of Republicans do not dispute anthropogenic climate change.
Opinion | More Republicans Than You Think Support Action on Climate Change

I applaud Meet the Press. Time to push deniers and their pseudo science to the curb or back into closet. Choose your metaphor. They are just standing in the way and are no more than obstructionists.

We need to discuss only solutions and adaptations.

Chuck Todd?

Settled science isn't falsifying data to keep the grand wealth redistribution scheme going

I have news for you, one way or another someone is going to pay, and pay big. Either we take action or your kids will. The predictions of climate change are coming true. The proverbial writing is on the wall. Miami is taking action on rising sea levels and many coastal communities now are discussing the issue.

One can be proactive or reactive. That is the debate with climate change in a nutshell.

Ahhhhh dry up

 

[Mac1958]

A comprehensive conversation requires a wide range of viewpoints, including contrarians. You never know what might pop up. We just no longer care about that, because we're no longer listening.

Because, what we really, really need for a comprehensive conversation is stooges lying through their teeth on behalf of Exxon's bottom line for decades, because we know exactly what will "pop up". SMH.

See?
.

Yeah, I see. The Exxon stooge shows up, saying, basically, "Yes, I am a paid-for liar, and I'll tell you exactly the same counter-factual crap I've been telling for years, but no 'debate' shall remain un-besmirched by my presence, and no scientific truth shall be spared my mendacious distortions, so hear me out!"

You, following your demented shtick, make that sordid comedy and corporate propaganda into a fact-finding mission.

Ah, hit, again, by the weapon of the intellectually helpless:

Funny x 1
Mac1958

What an idiot you've become, Mac.

The nation's problem isn't that "contrarians" are excluded. It's that truth and falsehood / lies / distortions / propaganda were given equal weight for far too long, and the "both-sides" morons want to keep it that way.

Wow, personal insults, name-calling, partisan myopia.

Perfect, thanks.
.

 

[JLW]

A comprehensive conversation requires a wide range of viewpoints, including contrarians. You never know what might pop up. We just no longer care about that, because we're no longer listening.

Because, what we really, really need for a comprehensive conversation is stooges lying through their teeth on behalf of Exxon's bottom line for decades, because we know exactly what will "pop up". SMH.

See?
.

Yeah, I see. The Exxon stooge shows up, saying, basically, "Yes, I am a paid-for liar, and I'll tell you exactly the same counter-factual crap I've been telling for years, but no 'debate' shall remain un-besmirched by my presence, and no scientific truth shall be spared my mendacious distortions, so hear me out!"

You, following your demented shtick, make that sordid comedy and corporate propaganda into a fact-finding mission.

Exxon is a great company, they do a fantastic job. I worked for them as pump man back in the 1970's, its a real quality product.

You do realize that Exxon does not dispute the truth of man made climate change and that fossil fuels are to blame. Rex Tillerson when he was CEO admitted as much.

 

[Correll]

1. The context was obvious.

2. You greenies have been addressing Global Warming now for decades. YOu have been asked for a summary of results.

3. You cannot give any.

You are deflecting give me solutions.

Give me the results your solutions have accomplished so far.

I have all ready answered your question. The issue is how many tens of billions of dollars will it cost us to do nothing about climate change. I am focused on the future and you the past. You can either keep your head buried in the sand or move to action. The consequences are upon us. So what are your solutions?

you can't change the climate ''quick enough''

We can action to lessen the effects of climate change. It will be difficult, I am under no illusion. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The prevention stage may be passed but if start now we may save on the cure.

IF the problem is the amount of carbon we have put into the atmosphere, how is reducing the rate of adding more carbon going to do anything?

 

[Olde Europe]

We can action to lessen the effects of climate change. It will be difficult, I am under no illusion. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The prevention stage may be passed but if start now we may save on the cure.

Yep. At a hundred miles per hour, we can no longer avoid that wall ahead. Therefore, or so Harmonica informs us, pedal to the metal. And braking is overrated anyway.

But hey, a "comprehensive conversation" requires we listen to these dolts.

 

[Correll]

We can action to lessen the effects of climate change. It will be difficult, I am under no illusion. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The prevention stage may be passed but if start now we may save on the cure.

Yep. At a hundred miles per hour, we can no longer avoid that wall ahead. Therefore, or so Harmonica informs us, pedal to the metal. And braking is overrated anyway.

But hey, a "comprehensive conversation" requires we listen to these dolts.

How much suffering are you prepared to inflict in pursuit of your unattainable and unverifiable goals?

 

[Olde Europe]

Perfect, thanks.
.

You're welcome. Once you decide to rejoin the real world - as opposed to riding your supercilious shtick to death - you'll receive a different reaction.

 

[Crepitus]

One side debating facts, and another farting or making otherwise vulgar, ignorant noises, is not diversity, and excluding the farters isn't "bias". It's just common sense, and a necessary precondition for a real debate.

How can you have a real debate when the other side said "Global Warming science is settled, end of debate". That right there nullified any bullshit from the liberalleftards.

The Dangers Of 'Settled Science' | PSI Intl

Read, understand, then post.

They are not debating the reality of AGW, that is long since settled. They are debating possible solutions to the problem.

such as?
stop driving cars?

I don't have all the answers, but fuel economy standards such as the ones tRump is trying to fuck up are definitely part of it.

you still have Millions of cars all over the world
that's a drop in the bucket
if the climate has changed, it's too late to do anything--it's changed

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

 

[Correll]

How can you have a real debate when the other side said "Global Warming science is settled, end of debate". That right there nullified any bullshit from the liberalleftards.

The Dangers Of 'Settled Science' | PSI Intl

Read, understand, then post.

They are not debating the reality of AGW, that is long since settled. They are debating possible solutions to the problem.

such as?
stop driving cars?

I don't have all the answers, but fuel economy standards such as the ones tRump is trying to fuck up are definitely part of it.

you still have Millions of cars all over the world
that's a drop in the bucket
if the climate has changed, it's too late to do anything--it's changed

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

Sometimes that is the right response, actually.


And all lefties have offered, is IF your analysis is correct, is to reduce your level of smoking. NOt stop. SLIGHTLY REDUCE.


That is not a solution. It is not even really a good coping mechanism. It is playing with yourself.

 

[Polishprince]

How can you have a real debate when the other side said "Global Warming science is settled, end of debate". That right there nullified any bullshit from the liberalleftards.

The Dangers Of 'Settled Science' | PSI Intl

Read, understand, then post.

They are not debating the reality of AGW, that is long since settled. They are debating possible solutions to the problem.

such as?
stop driving cars?

I don't have all the answers, but fuel economy standards such as the ones tRump is trying to fuck up are definitely part of it.

you still have Millions of cars all over the world
that's a drop in the bucket
if the climate has changed, it's too late to do anything--it's changed

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

Maybe. Depends on the exact diagnosis and whether anything can be done for the disease.

With Climate Change, there is no cure for it, no proof that buying all the carbon credits in the world will affect the weather at all.

 

[JLW]

You are deflecting give me solutions.

Give me the results your solutions have accomplished so far.

I have all ready answered your question. The issue is how many tens of billions of dollars will it cost us to do nothing about climate change. I am focused on the future and you the past. You can either keep your head buried in the sand or move to action. The consequences are upon us. So what are your solutions?

you can't change the climate ''quick enough''

We can action to lessen the effects of climate change. It will be difficult, I am under no illusion. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The prevention stage may be passed but if start now we may save on the cure.

IF the problem is the amount of carbon we have put into the atmosphere, how is reducing the rate of adding more carbon going to do anything?

You ask a fair question as to solutions. The purpose of this thread was to discuss solutions and to hear all the pros and cons.

I would consider the following:

Cap and Trade
Honor the Paris Accords limits.
A graduated gas tax. The gas tax would be used to fund green infrastructure.
Investment in green energy and technology
Extended Tax credits for hybrid, electric and plug in cars
Extended tax credits for investments in residential and commercial projects that utilize green energy

These are proposals. There are other potential solutions. All have pros and cons. Obviously the US can't do it all itself, but we could lead on the issue instead of being
obstructers.