MTP: Climate Change Discussion - no Deniers

[Crepitus]

Read, understand, then post.

They are not debating the reality of AGW, that is long since settled. They are debating possible solutions to the problem.

such as?
stop driving cars?

I don't have all the answers, but fuel economy standards such as the ones tRump is trying to fuck up are definitely part of it.

you still have Millions of cars all over the world
that's a drop in the bucket
if the climate has changed, it's too late to do anything--it's changed

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

Sometimes that is the right response, actually.


And all lefties have offered, is IF your analysis is correct, is to reduce your level of smoking. NOt stop. SLIGHTLY REDUCE.


That is not a solution. It is not even really a good coping mechanism. It is playing with yourself.

Ok, so you're just a fatalist. I hope for your sake you never get that diagnosis.

Those of us with common sense are gonna try to save the planet, ok?

 

[JLW]

Fossil fuel companies have known since the 50s that the consequence of burning these fuels would be a warming planet. For over a half century they have lied and destroyed this truth. These companies unleashed the lie and now they themselves can't rein it in.

How would they possibly "know" that?

In the 1970's, the Climate Alarmist Faction was predicting a new ice age.

CO2's Role in Global Warming Has Been on the Oil Industry's Radar Since the 1960s

 

[Crepitus]

Read, understand, then post.

They are not debating the reality of AGW, that is long since settled. They are debating possible solutions to the problem.

such as?
stop driving cars?

I don't have all the answers, but fuel economy standards such as the ones tRump is trying to fuck up are definitely part of it.

you still have Millions of cars all over the world
that's a drop in the bucket
if the climate has changed, it's too late to do anything--it's changed

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

Maybe. Depends on the exact diagnosis and whether anything can be done for the disease.

With Climate Change, there is no cure for it, no proof that buying all the carbon credits in the world will affect the weather at all.

Amazing the amount of people who just wanna give up.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How can you have a real debate when the other side said "Global Warming science is settled

By debating what may and should happen next, of course. I think you could probably have figured that one out.

 

[Crepitus]

Read, understand, then post.

They are not debating the reality of AGW, that is long since settled. They are debating possible solutions to the problem.

such as?
stop driving cars?

I don't have all the answers, but fuel economy standards such as the ones tRump is trying to fuck up are definitely part of it.

you still have Millions of cars all over the world
that's a drop in the bucket
if the climate has changed, it's too late to do anything--it's changed

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

ridiculous comparison !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope. Sorry, try again.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Watching Meet the Press. They have dedicated the whole hour to climate change. They have no deniers on the panel and as Chuck Todd correctly stated the science is long since settled. Now it is time to discuss solutions.

A recent poll shows even a majority of Republicans do not dispute anthropogenic climate change.
Opinion | More Republicans Than You Think Support Action on Climate Change

I applaud Meet the Press. Time to push deniers and their pseudo science to the curb or back into closet. Choose your metaphor. They are just standing in the way and are no more than obstructionists.

We need to discuss only solutions and adaptations.

Excellent. No need to invite anti vaxxers, flat earthers, or evolution deniers to the table, either.

 

[progressive hunter]

Any green infrastructure project would include investment in carbon sequestration and related technology to reduce carbon in the atmosphere.

Reducing the rate of adding more, is not reducing the carbon in the atmosphere.


Your proposed "solutions" are peanuts. What is your real agenda?

Sorry, my agenda is the environment, the future of my kids and not leaving them saddled with an environmental catastrophe. Sorry, if that disappoints you.

so tell us how many trees you planted last yr???

LOL my back yard is a jungle because I have refused to cut down a single tree.

And you demonstrate that you cannot tell the difference between NOT cutting down a tree and PLANTING a tree.


Do you understand how much that destroys the credibility of your statements on Global Warming?

I didnt ask how many you didnt cut down, i asked how many you planted???


so yes I do know the dif


I just figured a person as dedicated as you would have planted thousands of trees to show you can put you money where your mouth is,,but I guess thats to much to ask

instead we get you telling everyone else what they should do

my dog cares more for the planet than you do,,,he shits outside and doesnt use man made resources for it,,

dont be such a hypocrite

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In the 1970's, the Climate Alarmist Faction was predicting a new ice age.

Debunked, horseshit myth. This is exactly why deniers should not be invited to the table.

 

[JLW]

Reducing the rate of adding more, is not reducing the carbon in the atmosphere.


Your proposed "solutions" are peanuts. What is your real agenda?

Sorry, my agenda is the environment, the future of my kids and not leaving them saddled with an environmental catastrophe. Sorry, if that disappoints you.

so tell us how many trees you planted last yr???

LOL my back yard is a jungle because I have refused to cut down a single tree.

that didnt answer my question,,,how many trees did you plant last yr??

I ask because any honest environmentalist knows that trees are the only real solution,,,,all the rest is just fascist bullsht

He can't tell the difference between planting and not cutting.

You guys are really the crown fools of deflection. I have planted trees all over my yard. Do you really have to be led by the hand on every statement.

 

[Polishprince]

I would consider the following:

Cap and Trade
Honor the Paris Accords limits.
A graduated gas tax. The gas tax would be used to fund green infrastructure.
Investment in green energy and technology
Extended Tax credits for hybrid, electric and plug in cars
Extended tax credits for investments in residential and commercial projects that utilize green energy
.

The reason why you would consider these ideas, because you would consider them regardless of climate change or anything else.

The solution was drawn up first, and the problem was decided on later.

If someone came up with a Free Market solution to bad weather, you'd reject it out of hand. The idea of the whole scam is to impose socialism.

The truth be told, America is one of the least polluted countries on the planet. Red China, Russia, other nations are much dirtier. They just need to do what we're doing.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

that didnt answer my question,,,how many trees did you plant last yr??

Silly question. Climate change solutions will come at the global and government levels. It would be more relevant and smart to ask what an individual did to promote better policies.

I'm not against individual action, of course. Conservation is a good one.

 

[Correll]

such as?
stop driving cars?

I don't have all the answers, but fuel economy standards such as the ones tRump is trying to fuck up are definitely part of it.

you still have Millions of cars all over the world
that's a drop in the bucket
if the climate has changed, it's too late to do anything--it's changed

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

Sometimes that is the right response, actually.


And all lefties have offered, is IF your analysis is correct, is to reduce your level of smoking. NOt stop. SLIGHTLY REDUCE.


That is not a solution. It is not even really a good coping mechanism. It is playing with yourself.

Ok, so you're just a fatalist. I hope for your sake you never get that diagnosis.

Those of us with common sense are gonna try to save the planet, ok?

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.


It would give the government massive power and funds to oppress US and lower our quality of life.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Watching Meet the Press. They have dedicated the whole hour to climate change. They have no deniers on the panel and as Chuck Todd correctly stated the science is long since settled. Now it is time to discuss solutions.

A recent poll shows even a majority of Republicans do not dispute anthropogenic climate change.
Opinion | More Republicans Than You Think Support Action on Climate Change

I applaud Meet the Press. Time to push deniers and their pseudo science to the curb or back into closet. Choose your metaphor. They are just standing in the way and are no more than obstructionists.

We need to discuss only solutions and adaptations.

So it's a church service for you moronic cult.

Why now, shouldn't you be listening to your pastor's sermon instead of responding to posts on USMB?

I was listening to the sermon of your church, and laughing at what unthinking sheep you morons are. Far more entertaining.

A dozen years back some idiot TV preacher told his flock that unless they sent him a million dollars, that god would kill him. Haggee I think. Anyway, the scumbag was mocked and pilloried across the nation, and rightly so.

Yet that is the entire basis of your stupid fucking religion, give billions or Gaia will "take us all home". Only money to the elite can gain forgiveness for carbon sins...

Your cult is stupid and primitive, but it's designed for those without reasoning skills, those like you.

 

[JLW]

I would consider the following:

Cap and Trade
Honor the Paris Accords limits.
A graduated gas tax. The gas tax would be used to fund green infrastructure.
Investment in green energy and technology
Extended Tax credits for hybrid, electric and plug in cars
Extended tax credits for investments in residential and commercial projects that utilize green energy
.

The reason why you would consider these ideas, because you would consider them regardless of climate change or anything else.

The solution was drawn up first, and the problem was decided on later.

If someone came up with a Free Market solution to bad weather, you'd reject it out of hand. The idea of the whole scam is to impose socialism.

The truth be told, America is one of the least polluted countries on the planet. Red China, Russia, other nations are much dirtier. They just need to do what we're doing.

My proposals were free market solutions. For heaven's sake cap and trade is a republican idea.

 

[Correll]

Sorry, my agenda is the environment, the future of my kids and not leaving them saddled with an environmental catastrophe. Sorry, if that disappoints you.

so tell us how many trees you planted last yr???

LOL my back yard is a jungle because I have refused to cut down a single tree.

that didnt answer my question,,,how many trees did you plant last yr??

I ask because any honest environmentalist knows that trees are the only real solution,,,,all the rest is just fascist bullsht

He can't tell the difference between planting and not cutting.

You guys are really the crown fools of deflection. I have planted trees all over my yard. Do you really have to be led by the hand on every statement.

That is not what you said before.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.

Well that's just complete nonsense. For instance,heavily investing in solar energy research in order to speed up the time it takes for it to be cheaper and cleaner would greatly reduce emissions for all future generations.

 

[Polishprince]

I would consider the following:

Cap and Trade
Honor the Paris Accords limits.
A graduated gas tax. The gas tax would be used to fund green infrastructure.
Investment in green energy and technology
Extended Tax credits for hybrid, electric and plug in cars
Extended tax credits for investments in residential and commercial projects that utilize green energy
.

The reason why you would consider these ideas, because you would consider them regardless of climate change or anything else.

The solution was drawn up first, and the problem was decided on later.

If someone came up with a Free Market solution to bad weather, you'd reject it out of hand. The idea of the whole scam is to impose socialism.

The truth be told, America is one of the least polluted countries on the planet. Red China, Russia, other nations are much dirtier. They just need to do what we're doing.

My proposals were free market solutions. For heaven's sake cap and trade is a republican idea.

Your solutions are more regulations from the government, Socialism by definition.

Further, your proposal provide ZERO relief for the millions of Americans who live in small towns, exurbs, rural areas or suburbs, who are more directly effected by the price of gasoline- something that you all want to impose draconian taxes on.

The entire "Climate Change" scamola is designed to filter money from the backwaters of America to the elite cities and their progressive leaders.

 

[Correll]

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.

Well that's just complete nonsense. For instance,heavily investing in solar energy research in order to speed up the time it takes for it to be cheaper and cleaner would greatly reduce emissions for all future generations.

Reducing the rate of increase of carbon in the atmosphere will not stop or reverse global warming.

 

[Polishprince]

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.

Well that's just complete nonsense. For instance,heavily investing in solar energy research in order to speed up the time it takes for it to be cheaper and cleaner would greatly reduce emissions for all future generations.

No it wouldn't. There are limited reserves of indium and other rare elements needed for solar energy, and most of those reserves are in places like Red China. Solar is a dead end as far as supplying the majority of America's growing energy needs.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Reducing the rate of increase of carbon in the atmosphere will not stop or reverse global warming.

Of course it could, over time, if that rate becomes negative, thereby lessening the greenhouse effect.