More Christians are conservative meanwhile Christ was liberal...

[2aguy]

I respect Christianity but it makes no sense to me. The most part of my friend are religious enough. What I fail to comprehend is why every single one of my Christian friends label themselves as conservative. Doesn't that defy the fundamental teachings of the bible? Or am I making false assumptions and the bible is truly more conservative than liberal? What is the very nature of Christianity: liberal or conservative one?

Jesus was not a liberal/ lefty....he did not believe in taking money from one person and giving it to another.

 

[PK1]

I respect Christianity but it makes no sense to me. The most part of my friend are religious enough. What I fail to comprehend is why every single one of my Christian friends label themselves as conservative. Doesn't that defy the fundamental teachings of the bible? Or am I making false assumptions and the bible is truly more conservative than liberal? What is the very nature of Christianity: liberal or conservative one?

Jesus was not a liberal/ lefty....he did not believe in taking money from one person and giving it to another.

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I'm curious, how do you know what Jesus of Nazareth believed 2,000 years ago?
Are you ASSuming someone else knew who wrote about him, yet never met him?
.

 

[2aguy]

I respect Christianity but it makes no sense to me. The most part of my friend are religious enough. What I fail to comprehend is why every single one of my Christian friends label themselves as conservative. Doesn't that defy the fundamental teachings of the bible? Or am I making false assumptions and the bible is truly more conservative than liberal? What is the very nature of Christianity: liberal or conservative one?

Jesus was not a liberal/ lefty....he did not believe in taking money from one person and giving it to another.

---
I'm curious, how do you know what Jesus of Nazareth believed 2,000 years ago?
Are you ASSuming someone else knew who wrote about him, yet never met him?
.

The same way the guy who posted this post knows about him.

 

[Avatar4321]

You were probably ordained over the Internet. No actual belief in the bible required.

I'm not ordained at all.......never claimed to be.....do you have a certificate from an atheist that certifies you as rational?......if you do, it was forged.......

How can someone who is irrational certify someone else as rational?

Christianity does it all the time, it's called being born again.

How is it rational to pretend we don't have an experience with God when we clearly do? You may as well pretend I don't exist while you are talking to me. What you are expecting makes that little sense.

It's self-delusion. I've been on this earth for a long time and have never had contact with "god". Not that I'm wouldn't be willing, it's just never happened. You're going to say that I have to go looking for god, or something like that, meaning that I really have to want to believe and then sort of self-hypnotize myself to some of the dumbest shit ever written.

Lol. Self delusion? Because I suggest you have to get off your butt and seek after knowledge about God instead of doing nothing and expecting it to be handed to you? Seriously??

How do you obtain any knowledge without working to understand it? Do you think you can just understand calculus without an effort? Biology? Physics? History?

And yet you expect to just be handed the mysteries of Eternity with no effort whatsoever.

The laws for obtaining knowledge and wisdom require effort on our part. If you think it's self delusion to educate yourself than you are seriously missing out on a lot of truth. And since the truth sets you free, you are in bondage. And you can only free yourself as quickly as you obtain knowledge. The truth God is the most fundamental of those truths because it will empower you to learn all others as well as teach you to empower your life.

Till then you are in darkness as are countless others. And you will remain so until you grasp the iron rod and walk into the light of the Lord. Eat the fruit of the tree of life. Choose light and not darkness. It's up to you.

 

[Taz]

I'm not ordained at all.......never claimed to be.....do you have a certificate from an atheist that certifies you as rational?......if you do, it was forged.......

How can someone who is irrational certify someone else as rational?

Christianity does it all the time, it's called being born again.

How is it rational to pretend we don't have an experience with God when we clearly do? You may as well pretend I don't exist while you are talking to me. What you are expecting makes that little sense.

It's self-delusion. I've been on this earth for a long time and have never had contact with "god". Not that I'm wouldn't be willing, it's just never happened. You're going to say that I have to go looking for god, or something like that, meaning that I really have to want to believe and then sort of self-hypnotize myself to some of the dumbest shit ever written.

Lol. Self delusion? Because I suggest you have to get off your butt and seek after knowledge about God instead of doing nothing and expecting it to be handed to you? Seriously??

How do you obtain any knowledge without working to understand it? Do you think you can just understand calculus without an effort? Biology? Physics? History?

And yet you expect to just be handed the mysteries of Eternity with no effort whatsoever.

The laws for obtaining knowledge and wisdom require effort on our part. If you think it's self delusion to educate yourself than you are seriously missing out on a lot of truth. And since the truth sets you free, you are in bondage. And you can only free yourself as quickly as you obtain knowledge. The truth God is the most fundamental of those truths because it will empower you to learn all others as well as teach you to empower your life.

Till then you are in darkness as are countless others. And you will remain so until you grasp the iron rod and walk into the light of the Lord. Eat the fruit of the tree of life. Choose light and not darkness. It's up to you.

So I have to study a bunch of stuff written by men to find God. You do realize that that makes no sense, it's like saying that to know whether a tree is real or not, you can't touch it to see, but rather have to study some random book to find out if the tree is real or not.

 

[PK1]

I respect Christianity but it makes no sense to me. The most part of my friend are religious enough. What I fail to comprehend is why every single one of my Christian friends label themselves as conservative. Doesn't that defy the fundamental teachings of the bible? Or am I making false assumptions and the bible is truly more conservative than liberal? What is the very nature of Christianity: liberal or conservative one?

Jesus was not a liberal/ lefty....he did not believe in taking money from one person and giving it to another.

---
I'm curious, how do you know what Jesus of Nazareth believed 2,000 years ago?
Are you ASSuming someone else knew who wrote about him, yet never met him?
.

The same way the guy who posted this post knows about him.

---
In other words, no one nowadays knows what Jesus of Nazareth believed about modern day political views, and anyone pretending to know what Jesus believed 2000 years ago is just that ... a pretender.
.

 

[PostmodernProph]

How? By my not believing in your invisible magician who poofs animals all over the world for Noah? Dude, get a grip. Seriously.

no....by pointing out how much you and the Rev Phelps have in common when it comes to understanding the Bible........

 

[Taz]

How? By my not believing in your invisible magician who poofs animals all over the world for Noah? Dude, get a grip. Seriously.

no....by pointing out how much you and the Rev Phelps have in common when it comes to understanding the Bible........

Because I don't believe your idiotic story about the invisible magician who poofs things across the world, and into being? SERIOUSLY, get a grip on reality, brah.

 

[BreezeWood]

.
the Almighty would not poof onboard what simply could be saved otherwise nor does it discuss Flora. it is a distraction the written text reveals about its authenticity by its ineptitude in relating a truly sacred parable ... and those who profess the present written text as the "word" of God.

.

 

[Avatar4321]

sure you did.....I suggest you go back and refresh your memory about what you said.......

Can't go back and find something that I didn't say. Loser. Again.

So it's okay for you to insult people but if others repeat back what you say about yourself they are just being unfair.

Can we say double standard?

Your magic underwear must be a couple of sizes too small, because otherwise you'd know that real Christians turn the other cheek.

So that excuses your hypocrisy?

Is that how you turn the other cheek? Please try again.

Can't turn the other cheek until you strike one. Are you planning violence?

 

[Avatar4321]

what if I have a signed statement from an ordained minister that says I am real?.........

You were probably ordained over the Internet. No actual belief in the bible required.

Seriously, you need to work on reading comprehension of you think that was an intelligent comeback to what he said. Or did you really think he was saying he was ordained by saying he would get a certificate from an ordained minister verifying he was a real Christian?

How can you willfully remain ignorant and pretend you are educated? What is so difficult about trying to understand something even if you don't believe it.

I don't pretend to be an expert on Islam. That doesn't stop me from trying to learn about Muslims or treating them with respect.

You don't want people to think you are a fool? Then stop opening your mouth and demonstrating you are one. Someone needs to tell you the truth or you have no hope of ever realizing it and fixing the problem.

Like I said, I never get more insulted than when I enter a religion thread with so called Christians. I'm starting to think that maybe Jesus was obnoxious as well and you're just following his teachings? No heaven for you, dude.

Again how is quoting what you said about yourself insulting you? Why do expect to have people let you walk all over them when you come in acting like an ignorant ass?

If you say stupid things you are going to be called on it. how else are you ever going to learn?

The point is that you can't come back with anything more intelligent than I'm an un-educated ignorant fool, and that's only your last post! It's childish, either come back to me with solid arguments or shut the fuck up.

Does it bother you at all that you just called yourself childish? Or do you consider yourself justified in saying others are unintelligent while getting upset when you think people aware doing the same to you?

 

[Avatar4321]

hgt

The point is that you can't come back with anything more intelligent than I'm an un-educated ignorant fool, and that's only your last post! It's childish, either come back to me with solid arguments or shut the fuck up.

are you pretending intelligent people cannot consider you uneducated and ignorant?......I would expect them to be the first to reach that conclusion......

You see? A childish and meaningless response that just clutters up this board and the internet at large.
That's all you have,isn't it?

no, but you never respond to the rest....I suspect its because you know you would lose......

Tell me how Noah got polar bears from the arctic and back, and I'll respond, even if I lose. Can't be any fairer than that.

How do we get polar bears from the arctic and back?

You do realize it's kind of silly to assume something we can do easily is impossible to do right?

 

[Avatar4321]

How can someone who is irrational certify someone else as rational?

Christianity does it all the time, it's called being born again.

How is it rational to pretend we don't have an experience with God when we clearly do? You may as well pretend I don't exist while you are talking to me. What you are expecting makes that little sense.

It's self-delusion. I've been on this earth for a long time and have never had contact with "god". Not that I'm wouldn't be willing, it's just never happened. You're going to say that I have to go looking for god, or something like that, meaning that I really have to want to believe and then sort of self-hypnotize myself to some of the dumbest shit ever written.

Lol. Self delusion? Because I suggest you have to get off your butt and seek after knowledge about God instead of doing nothing and expecting it to be handed to you? Seriously??

How do you obtain any knowledge without working to understand it? Do you think you can just understand calculus without an effort? Biology? Physics? History?

And yet you expect to just be handed the mysteries of Eternity with no effort whatsoever.

The laws for obtaining knowledge and wisdom require effort on our part. If you think it's self delusion to educate yourself than you are seriously missing out on a lot of truth. And since the truth sets you free, you are in bondage. And you can only free yourself as quickly as you obtain knowledge. The truth God is the most fundamental of those truths because it will empower you to learn all others as well as teach you to empower your life.

Till then you are in darkness as are countless others. And you will remain so until you grasp the iron rod and walk into the light of the Lord. Eat the fruit of the tree of life. Choose light and not darkness. It's up to you.

So I have to study a bunch of stuff written by men to find God. You do realize that that makes no sense, it's like saying that to know whether a tree is real or not, you can't touch it to see, but rather have to study some random book to find out if the tree is real or not.

Like I said, to learn something you need to seek it out and think it through. The fact that you refuse to do so makes you ignorant. While you pretend it makes you an expert.

There isn't a single person who becomes an expert on any topic without working to become so. Why are you pretending to be exempt from this natural law?

 

[Avatar4321]

I respect Christianity but it makes no sense to me. The most part of my friend are religious enough. What I fail to comprehend is why every single one of my Christian friends label themselves as conservative. Doesn't that defy the fundamental teachings of the bible? Or am I making false assumptions and the bible is truly more conservative than liberal? What is the very nature of Christianity: liberal or conservative one?

Jesus was not a liberal/ lefty....he did not believe in taking money from one person and giving it to another.

---
I'm curious, how do you know what Jesus of Nazareth believed 2,000 years ago?
Are you ASSuming someone else knew who wrote about him, yet never met him?
.

The same way the guy who posted this post knows about him.

---
In other words, no one nowadays knows what Jesus of Nazareth believed about modern day political views, and anyone pretending to know what Jesus believed 2000 years ago is just that ... a pretender.
.

Why would anyone need to pretend to know what Jesus.thought when they can read His teachings and ask Him?

 

[Taz]

Christianity does it all the time, it's called being born again.

How is it rational to pretend we don't have an experience with God when we clearly do? You may as well pretend I don't exist while you are talking to me. What you are expecting makes that little sense.

It's self-delusion. I've been on this earth for a long time and have never had contact with "god". Not that I'm wouldn't be willing, it's just never happened. You're going to say that I have to go looking for god, or something like that, meaning that I really have to want to believe and then sort of self-hypnotize myself to some of the dumbest shit ever written.

Lol. Self delusion? Because I suggest you have to get off your butt and seek after knowledge about God instead of doing nothing and expecting it to be handed to you? Seriously??

How do you obtain any knowledge without working to understand it? Do you think you can just understand calculus without an effort? Biology? Physics? History?

And yet you expect to just be handed the mysteries of Eternity with no effort whatsoever.

The laws for obtaining knowledge and wisdom require effort on our part. If you think it's self delusion to educate yourself than you are seriously missing out on a lot of truth. And since the truth sets you free, you are in bondage. And you can only free yourself as quickly as you obtain knowledge. The truth God is the most fundamental of those truths because it will empower you to learn all others as well as teach you to empower your life.

Till then you are in darkness as are countless others. And you will remain so until you grasp the iron rod and walk into the light of the Lord. Eat the fruit of the tree of life. Choose light and not darkness. It's up to you.

So I have to study a bunch of stuff written by men to find God. You do realize that that makes no sense, it's like saying that to know whether a tree is real or not, you can't touch it to see, but rather have to study some random book to find out if the tree is real or not.

Like I said, to learn something you need to seek it out and think it through. The fact that you refuse to do so makes you ignorant. While you pretend it makes you an expert.

There isn't a single person who becomes an expert on any topic without working to become so. Why are you pretending to be exempt from this natural law?

What "natural law"? WTF is that?
I don't need to become an expert on trees to be able to tell if they're real or not. And I don't seem to need a book to threaten me with eternal fire if I don't tithe.

 

[Taz]

hgt

The point is that you can't come back with anything more intelligent than I'm an un-educated ignorant fool, and that's only your last post! It's childish, either come back to me with solid arguments or shut the fuck up.

are you pretending intelligent people cannot consider you uneducated and ignorant?......I would expect them to be the first to reach that conclusion......

You see? A childish and meaningless response that just clutters up this board and the internet at large.
That's all you have,isn't it?

no, but you never respond to the rest....I suspect its because you know you would lose......

Tell me how Noah got polar bears from the arctic and back, and I'll respond, even if I lose. Can't be any fairer than that.

How do we get polar bears from the arctic and back?

You do realize it's kind of silly to assume something we can do easily is impossible to do right?

It's not how do WE get them from point a to point b because we have airplanes... The question is how did NOAH get marsupials from Australia and polar bears from the arctic, and then send them back again.

 

[Taz]

You were probably ordained over the Internet. No actual belief in the bible required.

Seriously, you need to work on reading comprehension of you think that was an intelligent comeback to what he said. Or did you really think he was saying he was ordained by saying he would get a certificate from an ordained minister verifying he was a real Christian?

How can you willfully remain ignorant and pretend you are educated? What is so difficult about trying to understand something even if you don't believe it.

I don't pretend to be an expert on Islam. That doesn't stop me from trying to learn about Muslims or treating them with respect.

You don't want people to think you are a fool? Then stop opening your mouth and demonstrating you are one. Someone needs to tell you the truth or you have no hope of ever realizing it and fixing the problem.

Like I said, I never get more insulted than when I enter a religion thread with so called Christians. I'm starting to think that maybe Jesus was obnoxious as well and you're just following his teachings? No heaven for you, dude.

Again how is quoting what you said about yourself insulting you? Why do expect to have people let you walk all over them when you come in acting like an ignorant ass?

If you say stupid things you are going to be called on it. how else are you ever going to learn?

The point is that you can't come back with anything more intelligent than I'm an un-educated ignorant fool, and that's only your last post! It's childish, either come back to me with solid arguments or shut the fuck up.

Does it bother you at all that you just called yourself childish? Or do you consider yourself justified in saying others are unintelligent while getting upset when you think people aware doing the same to you?

Does it bother you that you misunderstood my simple post?

 

[Taz]

I respect Christianity but it makes no sense to me. The most part of my friend are religious enough. What I fail to comprehend is why every single one of my Christian friends label themselves as conservative. Doesn't that defy the fundamental teachings of the bible? Or am I making false assumptions and the bible is truly more conservative than liberal? What is the very nature of Christianity: liberal or conservative one?

Jesus was not a liberal/ lefty....he did not believe in taking money from one person and giving it to another.

---
I'm curious, how do you know what Jesus of Nazareth believed 2,000 years ago?
Are you ASSuming someone else knew who wrote about him, yet never met him?
.

The same way the guy who posted this post knows about him.

---
In other words, no one nowadays knows what Jesus of Nazareth believed about modern day political views, and anyone pretending to know what Jesus believed 2000 years ago is just that ... a pretender.
.

Why would anyone need to pretend to know what Jesus.thought when they can read His teachings and ask Him?

Those might be someone's teachings, but there's really no proof that Jesus said any of it.

 

[PK1]

I respect Christianity but it makes no sense to me. The most part of my friend are religious enough. What I fail to comprehend is why every single one of my Christian friends label themselves as conservative. Doesn't that defy the fundamental teachings of the bible? Or am I making false assumptions and the bible is truly more conservative than liberal? What is the very nature of Christianity: liberal or conservative one?

Jesus was not a liberal/ lefty....he did not believe in taking money from one person and giving it to another.

---
I'm curious, how do you know what Jesus of Nazareth believed 2,000 years ago?
Are you ASSuming someone else knew who wrote about him, yet never met him?
.

The same way the guy who posted this post knows about him.

---
In other words, no one nowadays knows what Jesus of Nazareth believed about modern day political views, and anyone pretending to know what Jesus believed 2000 years ago is just that ... a pretender.
.

Why would anyone need to pretend to know what Jesus.thought when they can read His teachings and ask Him?

---
Have you read ANYTHING that Jesus himself wrote?
Have you met or conversed with Jesus?
Do you see images and hear voices in your head about Jesus that you believe exist outside your brain?

The only "yes" answer you may have is to the 3rd question.
.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Because I don't believe your idiotic story about the invisible magician who poofs things across the world, and into being? .

no child.....because of your insistence that the Bible may only be understood literally......