Minority kids are stupid

[sealybobo]

..... You teach the way teachers have for hundreds of years. .....

You don't even realize how laughably ignorant that comment is.

You don’t realize how true it is

 

[sealybobo]

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What order do you assess blame? .....

I don't. I focus on improving things, not assessing blame. Only a dimwitted child focuses on blame instead of improving the situation.

So I was right.

If you were playin fuck,marry,kill you’d marry the teacher, fuck the kids and kill the parents right? Lol

 

[Mac1958]

I could be wrong, but some of what you're telling me sounds pretty unbelievable. And it certainly isn't because I don't believe students can learn.

They are not starting with average students though,, you know? And it sounds like the parents are intent on heavily investing in their childrens education.

No, I didn't know charter school kids aren't "average." I guess I do now.

No Jim, they have to take what they get. A lot of these kids come from broken homes, a lot of them have troubled histories from other schools, but they were next on the waiting list. Sometimes my daughter's school is their last chance before the county takes over. She has some pretty horrific stories.

This isn't an academy. It's just an option, and the school gets what it gets. Parents don't drive their kids from one end of the city to another every day for school and this is not in a good area of town, so there's nothing special about the kids.
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[OldLady]

That’s amazing... kudos to your daughter for doing an excellent job grooming our youth!

Sadly, that is the appropriate word when five year olds are learning the Gettysburg address and memorizing state capitols. "Grooming", not learning. Just memorizing and spewing, that's all. They cannot process that information. They do not understand how long ago one year was, let alone the Civil War. They do not understand how far away the next town is, let alone the next state.

Mac this is no remark on what kind of teacher your daughter is. She is probably having to teach in the iron grip of that Charter school and so it is. She is probably a phenomenal teacher. But that curriculum is not good for learning and ESPECIALLY not 21st century learning. I know that sounds like "liberal code buzz" or whatever but it's true. We don't need people who can memorize stuff that is meaningless to them.

We need people who can make meaning out of what was meaningless before. THAT take genius creativity. You don't get that by teaching five year olds the Gettysburg address.

I'm a little relieved that I'm not the only one left who thinks these kids are being pushed beyond their cognitive maturity.

It's not about what they are actually learning at that age. It's about teaching them how to learn.

It's about exercising their minds from different directions. Giving them lots of positive feedback. Constantly. Showing them they can do it.

That's the point. That's what this is all about. I would think that's huge.
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Mac, that is done by teachers in classrooms everywhere, every day. It is not some new method. Your daughter is a fine teacher if she told you that. That is how to teach kids to be learners.

Poor Mac, you came with this story, full of pride in your daughter and impressed with how much these 5 year olds can achieve, and even with such an inarguable success story, some of us are going to find fault, aren't we?

I don't worry as much as Sweet Sue about the kids memorizing stuff--I still remember a French phrase my babysitter taught me when I was 4--only French I ever learned. But at that same age, I had also memorized the words to Silent Night and was wondering to myself why they put Baby Jesus in a bed full of peas ? (Sleep in heavenly peas)

5 year old's brains can only go so far. Bless your daughter; she sounds like she does a great job.

 

[sealybobo]

..... You teach the way teachers have for hundreds of years. .....

You don't even realize how laughably ignorant that comment is.

He's easily one of the most ignorant posters I've ever read. And that is saying something.

You’re just mad because I attack you for being a republican teacher. Can’t get any more ignorant than that.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Dont worry, they will process it LATER.

There is no guarantee of that, and you're wasting time and brain space doing things that LOOK impressive, but aren't. It's the academic equivalent of riding a unicycle. Looks impressive but is a trick. Really. It's a trick.

Probably a third of them will use it in real life.

All of them will use it with advantage to learning more easily later as they continue their education in regular schools or private schools.

No education is ever wasted if it teaches truthful things.

Listen, I'm a conservative. If conservatives ever REALLY want to take back the culture, we've got to get better at this. We've got to understand that don't make smarter conservatives by cramming their brains full of the Gettysburg address at five years old.

Really.

Yeah! We should be cramming their brains with hard PRINCIPLES and the language we impart should be Ebonics. SS, you're surprisingly WRONG on this.

 

[Mac1958]

That’s amazing... kudos to your daughter for doing an excellent job grooming our youth!

Sadly, that is the appropriate word when five year olds are learning the Gettysburg address and memorizing state capitols. "Grooming", not learning. Just memorizing and spewing, that's all. They cannot process that information. They do not understand how long ago one year was, let alone the Civil War. They do not understand how far away the next town is, let alone the next state.

Mac this is no remark on what kind of teacher your daughter is. She is probably having to teach in the iron grip of that Charter school and so it is. She is probably a phenomenal teacher. But that curriculum is not good for learning and ESPECIALLY not 21st century learning. I know that sounds like "liberal code buzz" or whatever but it's true. We don't need people who can memorize stuff that is meaningless to them.

We need people who can make meaning out of what was meaningless before. THAT take genius creativity. You don't get that by teaching five year olds the Gettysburg address.

I'm a little relieved that I'm not the only one left who thinks these kids are being pushed beyond their cognitive maturity.

It's not about what they are actually learning at that age. It's about teaching them how to learn.

It's about exercising their minds from different directions. Giving them lots of positive feedback. Constantly. Showing them they can do it.

That's the point. That's what this is all about. I would think that's huge.
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Mac, that is done by teachers in classrooms everywhere, every day. It is not some new method. Your daughter is a fine teacher if she told you that. That is how to teach kids to be learners.

Poor Mac, you came with this story, full of pride in your daughter and impressed with how much these 5 year olds can achieve, and even with such an inarguable success story, some of us are going to find fault, aren't we?

I don't worry as much as Sweet Sue about the kids memorizing stuff--I still remember a French phrase my babysitter taught me when I was 4--only French I ever learned. But at that same age, I had also memorized the words to Silent Night and was wondering to myself why they put Baby Jesus in a bed full of peas ? (Sleep in heavenly peas)

5 year old's brains can only go so far. Bless your daughter; she sounds like she does a great job.

Okay, sorry.
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[sealybobo]

..... You teach the way teachers have for hundreds of years. .....

You don't even realize how laughably ignorant that comment is.

He's easily one of the most ignorant posters I've ever read. And that is saying something.

As is Unkotare.

??????

You heard him stupid

 

[Mac1958]

That’s amazing... kudos to your daughter for doing an excellent job grooming our youth!

Now, look through the thread. You would think this would just be a neat thing, but no. Thinly veiled political agendas just have to ooze through, and out comes the snark and negativity. Politics poisons everything. It makes people ugly.

Yup, there’s alway a few douchebags chomping at any opportunity to troll

I don't know why, but sometimes I hold out a little hope.


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[theHawk]

That's what I've heard, anyway.

Just got back from a program in the kindergarten class my older daughter teaches at a Charter school. A class in which they know cursive, can read books, and can do third grade math by the time the year is over. In kindergarten.

Anyway, they recited all the states and the state capitols, both as a group and individually; they answered questions on American history and geography; they recited the first part of the Gettysburg Address. And they did one mean bunny hop a couple of times in between.

This class is about 80% black or brown.

This class isn't about your skin color or how much money your parents have. It's about maintaining standards and expectations, giving kids pride in their own achievements, and holding them accountable for their actions.

I'll bet we all know this. Some just refuse to admit it.
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Yup, they are always so smart until they grow up and get indoctrinated by community organizers. Then they revert back to tribalism and being savages. Just goes to prove it isn’t about race, it’s about ideology.

 

[miketx]

Don't forget to include all the liberals constantly attacking white people as being racist.

Biden’s not racist. Beto isn’t a racist

All democrats are racist. You lie.

I’m not. That’s how I know you’re misguided

BS, sure you are, you all are. And liars to boot.

You’re not?

I Never lie.

 

[miketx]

particularly when you are so completely brain washed by the media and have no clue what is going on.

Oh, the irony.
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It's not my fault you are willfully blind to reality.

 

[SweetSue92]

That’s amazing... kudos to your daughter for doing an excellent job grooming our youth!

Sadly, that is the appropriate word when five year olds are learning the Gettysburg address and memorizing state capitols. "Grooming", not learning. Just memorizing and spewing, that's all. They cannot process that information. They do not understand how long ago one year was, let alone the Civil War. They do not understand how far away the next town is, let alone the next state.

Mac this is no remark on what kind of teacher your daughter is. She is probably having to teach in the iron grip of that Charter school and so it is. She is probably a phenomenal teacher. But that curriculum is not good for learning and ESPECIALLY not 21st century learning. I know that sounds like "liberal code buzz" or whatever but it's true. We don't need people who can memorize stuff that is meaningless to them.

We need people who can make meaning out of what was meaningless before. THAT take genius creativity. You don't get that by teaching five year olds the Gettysburg address.

I'm a little relieved that I'm not the only one left who thinks these kids are being pushed beyond their cognitive maturity.

Not only that, but the time these children are taking memorizing the Gettysburg Address, OF ALL THINGS, is time taken away from real, actual learning appropriate for their age.

Which is really sad.

 

[SweetSue92]

That's sad and awful.

When did this weird paranoia about intelligence and education begin?

It really is okay to be intelligent and educated. Really.

I can't believe I just said that.
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So in your estimation, being "intelligent and educated" means spewing back, literally, a bunch of random sounds and words for which you have no idea the meaning. And could not explain to anyone if your life depended on it.

That is no where near "learning"--it is mere rote memorization. Memorization has limited used when it is a building block for other knowledge, absolutely: IOW, multiplication tables. The Gettysburg Address in kindergarten is a performance trick.

 

[Mac1958]

That's sad and awful.

When did this weird paranoia about intelligence and education begin?

It really is okay to be intelligent and educated. Really.

I can't believe I just said that.
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So in your estimation, being "intelligent and educated" means spewing back, literally, a bunch of random sounds and words for which you have no idea the meaning. And could not explain to anyone if your life depended on it.

That is no where near "learning"--it is mere rote memorization. Memorization has limited used when it is a building block for other knowledge, absolutely: IOW, multiplication tables. The Gettysburg Address in kindergarten is a performance trick.

I'll say it again:

It's not about what they are actually learning at that age. It's about teaching them how to learn.

It's about exercising their minds from different directions. Giving them lots of positive feedback. Constantly. Showing them they can do it.

That's the point. That's what this is all about. I would think that's huge.

If that's not good enough for you, then sorry.
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[SweetSue92]

That’s amazing... kudos to your daughter for doing an excellent job grooming our youth!

Sadly, that is the appropriate word when five year olds are learning the Gettysburg address and memorizing state capitols. "Grooming", not learning. Just memorizing and spewing, that's all. They cannot process that information. They do not understand how long ago one year was, let alone the Civil War. They do not understand how far away the next town is, let alone the next state.

Mac this is no remark on what kind of teacher your daughter is. She is probably having to teach in the iron grip of that Charter school and so it is. She is probably a phenomenal teacher. But that curriculum is not good for learning and ESPECIALLY not 21st century learning. I know that sounds like "liberal code buzz" or whatever but it's true. We don't need people who can memorize stuff that is meaningless to them.

We need people who can make meaning out of what was meaningless before. THAT take genius creativity. You don't get that by teaching five year olds the Gettysburg address.

I'm a little relieved that I'm not the only one left who thinks these kids are being pushed beyond their cognitive maturity.

It's not about what they are actually learning at that age. It's about teaching them how to learn.

It's about exercising their minds from different directions. Giving them lots of positive feedback. Constantly. Showing them they can do it.

That's the point. That's what this is all about. I would think that's huge.
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They have not done anything. They have shown that young brains can, indeed, quickly regurgitate a bunch of random sounds at adult direction. Words they can't even understand.

Adults have manipulated this propensity of young children for their own advancement--in this case, to make the school look good for other adults who don't know better. To be honest, adults that know better, know it is a performance trick.

 

[Mac1958]

That’s amazing... kudos to your daughter for doing an excellent job grooming our youth!

Sadly, that is the appropriate word when five year olds are learning the Gettysburg address and memorizing state capitols. "Grooming", not learning. Just memorizing and spewing, that's all. They cannot process that information. They do not understand how long ago one year was, let alone the Civil War. They do not understand how far away the next town is, let alone the next state.

Mac this is no remark on what kind of teacher your daughter is. She is probably having to teach in the iron grip of that Charter school and so it is. She is probably a phenomenal teacher. But that curriculum is not good for learning and ESPECIALLY not 21st century learning. I know that sounds like "liberal code buzz" or whatever but it's true. We don't need people who can memorize stuff that is meaningless to them.

We need people who can make meaning out of what was meaningless before. THAT take genius creativity. You don't get that by teaching five year olds the Gettysburg address.

I'm a little relieved that I'm not the only one left who thinks these kids are being pushed beyond their cognitive maturity.

It's not about what they are actually learning at that age. It's about teaching them how to learn.

It's about exercising their minds from different directions. Giving them lots of positive feedback. Constantly. Showing them they can do it.

That's the point. That's what this is all about. I would think that's huge.
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They have not done anything. They have shown that young brains can, indeed, quickly regurgitate a bunch of random sounds at adult direction. Words they can't even understand.

Adults have manipulated this propensity of young children for their own advancement--in this case, to make the school look good for other adults who don't know better. To be honest, adults that know better, know it is a performance trick.

Okay, you're right. I think you should alert the authorities as soon as possible.
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[SweetSue92]

That's sad and awful.

When did this weird paranoia about intelligence and education begin?

It really is okay to be intelligent and educated. Really.

I can't believe I just said that.
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So in your estimation, being "intelligent and educated" means spewing back, literally, a bunch of random sounds and words for which you have no idea the meaning. And could not explain to anyone if your life depended on it.

That is no where near "learning"--it is mere rote memorization. Memorization has limited used when it is a building block for other knowledge, absolutely: IOW, multiplication tables. The Gettysburg Address in kindergarten is a performance trick.

I'll say it again:

It's not about what they are actually learning at that age. It's about teaching them how to learn.

It's about exercising their minds from different directions. Giving them lots of positive feedback. Constantly. Showing them they can do it.

That's the point. That's what this is all about. I would think that's huge.

If that's not good enough for you, then sorry.
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Mac, go to any teacher forum, anywhere.

Ask them what they think about five and six year olds memorizing the Gettysburg address, being forced into "third grade math" and worse, "learning to write in cursive".

Do it. But wear a haz mat suit first.

 

[SweetSue92]

That’s amazing... kudos to your daughter for doing an excellent job grooming our youth!

Sadly, that is the appropriate word when five year olds are learning the Gettysburg address and memorizing state capitols. "Grooming", not learning. Just memorizing and spewing, that's all. They cannot process that information. They do not understand how long ago one year was, let alone the Civil War. They do not understand how far away the next town is, let alone the next state.

Mac this is no remark on what kind of teacher your daughter is. She is probably having to teach in the iron grip of that Charter school and so it is. She is probably a phenomenal teacher. But that curriculum is not good for learning and ESPECIALLY not 21st century learning. I know that sounds like "liberal code buzz" or whatever but it's true. We don't need people who can memorize stuff that is meaningless to them.

We need people who can make meaning out of what was meaningless before. THAT take genius creativity. You don't get that by teaching five year olds the Gettysburg address.

I'm a little relieved that I'm not the only one left who thinks these kids are being pushed beyond their cognitive maturity.

It's not about what they are actually learning at that age. It's about teaching them how to learn.

It's about exercising their minds from different directions. Giving them lots of positive feedback. Constantly. Showing them they can do it.

That's the point. That's what this is all about. I would think that's huge.
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They have not done anything. They have shown that young brains can, indeed, quickly regurgitate a bunch of random sounds at adult direction. Words they can't even understand.

Adults have manipulated this propensity of young children for their own advancement--in this case, to make the school look good for other adults who don't know better. To be honest, adults that know better, know it is a performance trick.

Okay, you're right. I think you should alert the authorities as soon as possible.
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Hey if the parents want to put their kids in school where they think this is impressive, more power to them. It's a free country. I"m telling you these kids will hate school by second grade if not before, and they're not learning what they need to learn. And no adults should really be impressed by this. And I gave the reasons for why. These children are not being taught to THINK. They are being taught to spew without thinking.

Conservatives---THIS is why we should be against rote memorization as a means of "rigorous education". We need debaters, thinkers and creators, not a bunch of talking point spewing minions. THIS is how they are created. We have this all wrong, conservatives. I'm just saying.

 

[Unkotare]

..... You teach the way teachers have for hundreds of years. .....

You don't even realize how laughably ignorant that comment is.

You don’t realize how true it is

It’s not true. Try listening to people who know better than you do.