Minorities lag in AP test performance

[Tank]

The performance divide along racial lines wasn’t much better. In Illinois, 75 percent of white students who enrolled in AP courses earned at least one top mark compared to 22 percent of African-American students and 54 percent of Hispanic teens, according to the results from the College Board, which administers the AP tests. About 79 percent of Asian high-school seniors passed at least one AP test.

“I wish we could fix this overnight, but it doesn’t fix overnight,” said Marica Cullen, who oversees curriculum and instruction for the Illinois State Board of Education. “When you bring in more test-takers, you get more students who are edging over and challenging themselves for the first time. It’s a long process … to set the bar higher and help kids achieve.”

The national test results also reflect a racial divide.

While African-American students represented 14.6 percent of the Class of 2010, they were just 3.9 percent of students who scored high enough to earn college credit, the national report shows.
Exams are scored on a scale of 1 to 5, with most colleges awarding credit for a score of 3 or higher.

Hispanic students fared better nationwide and in Illinois. Latino students comprised 16.8 percent of the graduating class nationwide and represented 14.6 percent of students with top scores though that figure drops to 8.9 percent when students' scores on the AP Spanish exam are factored out. In Illinois, 12.3 percent of Hispanic students earned top marks on at least one AP exam while they represented 14.4 percent of last year's graduates.

Asked about the discrepancy among the two minority groups, Trevor Packer, the College Board's vice president for Advanced Placement, said: "We simply do not know."

College board: Minorities lag in AP test performance - chicagotribune.com

 

[IanC]

I know the reason why.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
When your father is a stranger, your culture is amoral, your accomplishments are measured by what you got away with than by what you have done....this is the result.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The performance divide along racial lines wasn’t much better. In Illinois, 75 percent of white students who enrolled in AP courses earned at least one top mark compared to 22 percent of African-American students and 54 percent of Hispanic teens, according to the results from the College Board, which administers the AP tests. About 79 percent of Asian high-school seniors passed at least one AP test.

The heart of the question is does correlation equal causation? (Answer: Many times it does not?)



Are the lower exam results genetic and based on race?


Or...

Are the lower exam scores more a function of socioeconomic factors?

What is the education level of the parents?

How important was education as emphasized in the home?

Were the children raised in a stable two parent home?

What was the experience level of the teachers of those classes?

Did those teachers have advanced coursework in the subject of the AP test area?

etc...​

>>>>

 

[IanC]

that subset of blacks, while not insignificant, is not as large as some imagine. the measured level and spread of black average intelligence is much more accurate than most people say they believe.

 

[IanC]

the interesting part of breaking down AP grades is the correlation between how many students out of a particular group are taking these courses and what happens to the passing rates. unfortunately for blacks their passing rate, which was already low, has decreased since more black students have taken AP courses. this tends to indicate that most of the students capable of passing the courses are already enrolling and that digging deeper into the black student cohort will usually only produce more failing grades. it also suggests that black students are encouraged and allowed to enter courses that may be obviously above their ability level. this is contrary to the public sentiment that blacks are excluded from advanced classes due to racism.

 

[editec]

Let's assume for purposes of argument that different "races" of humans have statistically different IQs.

Okay, so what?

 

[IanC]

Let's assume for purposes of argument that different "races" of humans have statistically different IQs.

Okay, so what?

for an individual it should make no difference, you are who you are. but for group averages it does make a difference. the reason blacks do not perform as well in cognitively demanding fields is inherent ability not white racism. it should be expected that more whites pass will pass firefighters test, high school exams, and the labrynth of paperwork and taxes to become wealthy. its not (only)racism holding blacks back, mostly it is their ability. groups of whites and blacks of the same IQ will have very similar rates of success.

 

[Tank]

Let's assume for purposes of argument that different "races" of humans have statistically different IQs.

Okay, so what?

 

[Mad Scientist]

Ok let's see;

Blacks are good athletes = OK
Black guys have large penors = OK
Blacks do poorly in school = Racist

Thataboutrite?

 

[xsited1]

Minorities lag in AP test performance

I'm a minority of the Asian variety. You're talking about Blacks and Hispanics. Yes, the data is clear. Who would have thought that genetics plays a role?

 

[bucs90]

Whites are smarter than blacks? Same tired old story. We know that already.

 

[William Joyce]

Let's assume for purposes of argument that different "races" of humans have statistically different IQs.

Okay, so what?

Here's what.

Our entire society is based on the notion that any and all racial differences are based on WHITE RACISM. If only whites would give more money to blacks, or be nicer to them, or whatever, the problems would go away.

But they don't, of course.

This nugget of information really, really, REALLY fucks with that whole idea.

Complex societies live and die by the intelligence of the people making up those societies. Lower the IQ just a bit, and you go Third World. That's what's happening to America right now. I'm not saying this to be mean or cruel, it's just a fact. Look at Africa. See what kind of societies they have. Look at white and Asian nations (northern Asian). See what kind of societies they have. Where would you want to live? Do you think that the primitive lifestyle of the Haitians is due to "racism"? They've lived on their own, in a tropical paradise, for a fucking century! They threw out whites 100 years ago! Look at the Central African Republic. Colonialism is long gone... but they live like animals. Did "racism" do that? Or is that Just How They Are? You take a bunch of white Australians and put them in a continent that's basically a DESERT, and they turn it into a place with the same amenities as Cleveland or Long Island. Is that a coincidence?

 

[William Joyce]

Let's assume for purposes of argument that different "races" of humans have statistically different IQs.

Okay, so what?

Very racist of you to point this out, Tank.

 

[Wingsofwind]

Our entire society is based on the notion that any and all racial differences are based on WHITE RACISM. If only whites would give more money to blacks, or be nicer to them, or whatever, the problems would go away.

Is this supposted to be scarcasm?

Blacks get so much just because they are 'Black' already and look at how most of them live.

I do agree with the first sentence there though. As messed up as it is, it is very true and very sad.

 

[IanC]

one of the statistical experiments done 15 years ago, about the same time as The Bell Curve was published, was to randomly take out double digit members of the white cohort of the NLSY until the average IQ was 105. the resulting group used less welfare, had less o-o-w babies, had higher incomes, committed less crime, had more education, etc, etc.

just like the NE asians. who have an average IQ of 105

 

[IanC]

Racial gap persists for city’s specialized high schools | GothamSchools

Combined, white and Asian students account for 70 percent of the students admitted to elite schools like Stuyvesant, the Bronx High School of Science, and Brooklyn Technical High School. Hispanic students make up 6 percent of those admitted and black students 5 percent. The remainder, 18 percent, come from private or parochial schools and racial data for them was not available.

Despite repeated statements of concern from city officials about the tiny number of minority students earning entry to top high schools, the numbers have only declined in the last three years. In 2009, 744 black and Hispanic students earned seats at specialized high schools. This year, 642 made it in.

wait a minute. whites only made up 23% of those offered a spot! oh right, sorry. asians arent minorities are they? at least not the right kind of minorities.

 

[maatsmom843]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
your culture is amoral, your accomplishments are measured by what you got away with than by what you have done....this is the result.

please expand on this

 

[maatsmom843]

Let's assume for purposes of argument that different "races" of humans have statistically different IQs.

Okay, so what?

interesting that you choose to cite architectural differences as justification for your ridiculous, disgusting way of thinking.

it is known (though the knowledge is constantly suppressed and skewed) that africans are the founders and fathers of what we consider civilized life. the mathematical, scientific, spiritual, and natural knoweledge that western (white) culture now possesses come directly from the mystery schools of ancient africa. the knowledge was passed from there, to the initiates at the Ionian college in ancient Greece, and on up and throughout the rest of europe.

at the time that most scientists say that *white* man was doing his thing flinstones style, the High Cultures of Kush, Nubia, Kemet, Phonecia, Ethiopia, Moghul India, and Babylon had been thriving for millenia.

it was only after we allowed the barbarians from the north into our lands--in an attempt mind you to share what knowledge and wealth we had amassed--that the imminent destruction and degradation of african culture began to take place. adding to this the fact that there were severe negative environmental changes taking place in africa (ie desertification), the african empire was in a prime position to lose its footing--and it did.

of course, western man doesn't operate under the same paradigm as most colored (any race other than white) men do. the whole peace and harmony, investing resources for the common good is a foreign concept to him. imperialism, extreme militarism, consumerism and materialism are the defining characteristics of his society.

when all of these factors are combined, in addition to the fact that africans have a proclivity for maintaining their cultural and spiritual traditions and value these ideals more than they do the ones that i enumerated in the previous paragraph, gross imbalances in technology and standards of living result--as the picture you so graciously displayed for us shows.

at any rate, everything that happens in this world, the subjective realm is fleeting and illusory, on the one hand, and subject to all of the laws of the universe on the other hand. it would be a grave error to imagine that things can continue the way they have been indefinitely.

before things get out of hand, the pendulum will swing, and another nation or empire will have its glory for an era, and the collective sins of the current oppressor will be revisited upon him and his descendants in a manner such that only karmic energy can facilitate. . . .

 

[Tank]

Ya, thats it, blacks used to be smart