Mike Pence cleared of wrongdoing in DOJ investigation into classified documents; Trump’s case is different

[Rawley]

Person alleging Biden criminal bribery scheme is a 'highly credible' FBI source used since Obama admin, it sounds like Joe has way bigger problems.

Had to be some reason the FBI is hiding this doc.

 

[Rawley]

Jack Smith is "the decider". The chances of no charges being filed against Trump are virtually zero.

Keep that record alive Ratty. Kudos.

 

[meaner gene]

The controlling legal authority is the PRA and the PRA anticipates ongoing and long-winded negotiations between a former President and the Archive. There is nothing in the PRA authorizing DoJ involvement in these matters.

Actually it does. It says that violation of the PRA is a crime, but doesn't specify any punishment. So that part is left up to DOJ to determine what other crimes within USC are committed while violating the PRA.

 

[excalibur]

Actually it does. It says that violation of the PRA is a crime, but doesn't specify any punishment. So that part is left up to DOJ to determine what other crimes within USC are committed while violating the PRA.

There is no criminal portion pertaining to a former President in the PRA.

 

[meaner gene]

Then where are the charges? What's the hold up?

Didn't you (probably) says the same thing before the Alvin Bragg indictments?

 

[Marener]

Person alleging Biden criminal bribery scheme is a 'highly credible' FBI source used since Obama admin, it sounds like Joe has way bigger problems.

Rudy Giuliani and his packet of Russian disinformation is far from credible.

 

[Marener]

It's front page news today. Person alleging Biden criminal bribery scheme is a 'highly credible' FBI source used since Obama admin: Source

Is it Michael Steele?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Didn't you (probably) says the same thing before the Alvin Bragg indictments?

No. I wasn't even aware of Alvin Bragg until he famewhored by getting a NYC grand jury to indict.

If your point is that Democrats are capable of going for indictments after stalling for long periods of time, you're right.

But in the case of these classified documents, the DOJ is much happier to have Trump as a "subject of investigation," so they can do things like dramatically raid his home when he had invited them in several times to consult about the documents he kept there.

If they indict him, discovery kicks in, and Trump gets to see their "evidence." They fear that more than a Democrat voter fears a job fair.

 

[meaner gene]

Rudy Giuliani and his packet of Russian disinformation is far from credible.

Just like Rudy and his packet of election fraud claims.

 

[Rawley]

If they indict him, discovery kicks in, and Trump gets to see their "evidence." They fear that more than a Democrat voter fears a job fair.

ThIs should be fun

Jordan, GOP ask DOJ to turn over details on FBI’s role in Trump investigation

House Republicans are asking the Justice Department (DOJ) to turn over information about special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into Donald Trump, including details on whether any FBI employees…

thehill.com

 

[meaner gene]

If your point is that Democrats are capable of going for indictments after stalling for long periods of time, you're right.

That time you call "stalling" is the time prosecutors used to gather evidence.
Remember, Trump fights every legal request made of him. Using his ever growing gaggle of lawyers, and taking it to court to stall, or delay every attempt to gather the evidence against him.

If Trump didn't appeal his tax return requests all the way to the supreme court (where he lost) events happening now would have happened 1-2 years ago

 

[2aguy]

The Justice Department has closed its investigation into the possible mishandling of classified documents found at former Vice President Mike Pence’s home and will not bring any charges.

This is different from Donald Trump's retention of classified-marked documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort which is distinguished in the eyes of the justice department from that of Joe Biden or Mike Pence as a result of one particularly crucial difference: suspected obstruction of justice. So, it's not the same thing.

Mike Pence Will Not Face Criminal Charges in Classified Document Probe

Mike Pence Will Not Face Criminal Charges , in Classified Document Probe. According to a DOJ letter obtained by CNN, the investigation into whether Pence mishandled classified documents by bringing

www.kulr8.com

No....the difference is Pence is a nobody, who they do not care about. Trump is an enemy who is challenging their power, so they have made up fake charges to target him......

And Trump had the ability to declassify every piece of paper in the government.....pence and biden did not.

 

[meaner gene]

But in the case of these classified documents, the DOJ is much happier to have Trump as a "subject of investigation," so they can do things like dramatically raid his home when he had invited them in several times to consult about the documents he kept there.

Actually it was the National Archives and National Intellgence agencies that pushed for the subpoena of Trumps home, because they saw a danger to national security by Trump showing the documents to people, including those in hostile governments.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

No....the difference is Pence is a nobody, who they do not care about. Trump is an enemy who is challenging their power, so they have made up fake charges to target him......

And Trump had the ability to declassify every piece of paper in the government.....pence and biden did not.

Are you saying that you saw documents with declassified markings by Trump? Show the pictures of the documents please

 

[2aguy]

Are you saying that you saw documents with declassified markings by Trump? Show the pictures of the documents please

Doesn't work that way......as President, he just had to say that is declassified.....that is his sole power as the head of the executive branch....no one else has that power. And the bureaucrats can't countermand that declaration, and the President is not held to any procedures they may come up with to declassify documents.......he is above all of it.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

No....the difference is Pence is a nobody, who they do not care about. Trump is an enemy who is challenging their power, so they have made up fake charges to target him......

And Trump had the ability to declassify every piece of paper in the government.....pence and biden did not.

Debunked vice presidents, have the power to declassify:

Trump makes false claim on VP’s right to declassify

After news broke that classified documents were found in President Joe Biden’s former office in a Washington, D.C., thin

www.politifact.com

 

[struth]

The Justice Department has closed its investigation into the possible mishandling of classified documents found at former Vice President Mike Pence’s home and will not bring any charges.

This is different from Donald Trump's retention of classified-marked documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort which is distinguished in the eyes of the justice department from that of Joe Biden or Mike Pence as a result of one particularly crucial difference: suspected obstruction of justice. So, it's not the same thing.

Mike Pence Will Not Face Criminal Charges in Classified Document Probe

Mike Pence Will Not Face Criminal Charges , in Classified Document Probe. According to a DOJ letter obtained by CNN, the investigation into whether Pence mishandled classified documents by bringing

www.kulr8.com

didn’t think he would…xiden’s case is far different…he had much more, clearly hidden, and dating back decades

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Doesn't work that way......as President, he just had to say that is declassified.....that is his sole power as the head of the executive branch....no one else has that power. And the bureaucrats can't countermand that declaration, and the President is not held to any procedures they may come up with to declassify documents.......he is above all of it.

When did he say he was declassifying? And what documents are you referring to that he allegedly he declassified by saying it?PolitiFact - Trump is wrong; Biden did have the right to declassify records as VP

 

[meaner gene]

No....the difference is Pence is a nobody, who they do not care about. Trump is an enemy who is challenging their power, so they have made up fake charges to target him......

And Trump had the ability to declassify every piece of paper in the government.....pence and biden did not.

The irony there is Trump and Pence lost their power to declassify, while Biden gained the power to declassify. So any classified documents Biden had possession of, can be declassified (and hence rendered moot) by Biden waiving his hands, and chanting the magic incantation declassifying them.

 

[2aguy]

Debunked vice presidents, have the power to declassify:

Trump makes false claim on VP’s right to declassify

After news broke that classified documents were found in President Joe Biden’s former office in a Washington, D.C., thin

www.politifact.com

No...they don't.

Debunked vice presidents, have the power to declassify:

Trump makes false claim on VP’s right to declassify

After news broke that classified documents were found in President Joe Biden’s former office in a Washington, D.C., thin

www.politifact.com

You don't know what you are talking about....from your own link...

• There is some ambiguity about the effect of the order on the vice president’s ability to declassify documents that were classified by other agencies, but experts are divided about this unknown and note that the question has never been tested. It's also unclear how any of this might apply to the documents in Biden's case.
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• This means that because Biden had original classification authority as vice president, he also had authority to declassify information that he had classified in the first place.
  We don’t know who initiated the classifications on the documents found in Biden’s home and office.