Michael J Fox - Human Shield

[ScreamingEagle]

I'll be quite frank with my views on this.

Michael J. Fox's not taking his medicine to show off the effects is unethical. It's stupid and dangerous to his health. He shouldn't do that. BUT I do support stem cell research becaues I have lost relatives to both Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and it was emotionally debilitating to see them suffer. We should do more research and try to find a cure.

Rush Limbaugh is a jerkoff. I don't feel a need to really elaborate on that. I dislike pundits and Limbaugh is a big pundit (yes, I also hate Michael Moore).

Then you would agree that the Democrats are also unethical because they are supporting these campaign ads?

As Ann Coulter said in her book Godless:

"...The Democrats hit on an ingenious strategy: They would choose only messengers whom we're not allowed to reply to. That's why Democratic spokesmen these days are sobbing, hysterical women. You can't respond to them because that would be questioning the authenticity of their suffering."

This is exactly why Rush Limbaugh said what he said. He's not quite the "jerkoff" you think he is. It's time that such appeals to the "pity vote" are challenged. Is that any way to conduct a political campaign? Especially when the truth is being twisted. The ads were implying that the Republican candidates are against stem cell research....which is just not the truth. They are only against embryonic stem cell research, not adult stem cell research. Big difference.

ps: re MM good on ya

 

[UnAmericanYOU]

Michael J. Fox IS a pundit. He's been flinging these accusations in IL, MD, and MO this week alone.

The implication is that the mean old Republicans don't want to cure him with science, them being the backwoods Bible-thumpers they are. But in MO, it's not even an initiative about stem-cell research, it's about human cloning.

He's a dual citizen, maybe he ought to go up to Canada to get his disease treated by their awesome "universal" healthcare system.

 

[insein]

Where in the constitutino does it say tax should be collected to pay for welfare or any one of a dozen or more things taxes pay for?

Now you've struck the vein of a deeper problem. Money has been allocated to these things that arent in the constitution for decades. So instead of saying enough is enough, we say "Well he got a cookie, i want a cookie too."

Thus we are where we are today when people expect the government to take care of their every need.

 

[insein]

I'll be quite frank with my views on this.

Michael J. Fox's not taking his medicine to show off the effects is unethical. It's stupid and dangerous to his health. He shouldn't do that. BUT I do support stem cell research becaues I have lost relatives to both Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and it was emotionally debilitating to see them suffer. We should do more research and try to find a cure.

Rush Limbaugh is a jerkoff. I don't feel a need to really elaborate on that. I dislike pundits and Limbaugh is a big pundit (yes, I also hate Michael Moore).

Limbaugh merely stated the obvious. MJF was off his medication for that shoot. Unfortunately thats the only sound bite you hear from his show. What he went onto to say was how unethical it is to give people false hope. He said that the DNC is trying to say to the voters that if they vote for the Republican candidates, they are voting to kill everyone with those kinds of diseases and by voting for the Democrats, they will cure all their diseases. This is so far from the truth its sickening. Leading people into believing that if they vote for a politician that they will be magically cured is probably the most revolting thing I've ever seen come out of politics. The false hope that people in that state cling to is real to them and they are so desperate that they want to believe anything is possible. So manipulating people's fears into a mere vote for some douchebag who could give 2 shits about any of his voters let alone the guy with Parkinson's is repulsive.

Also, the thing that they were trying to show with the commercial was to vote for "StemCell Research and Cures Bill." In reality, the name is FALSE. It is a referdum to allow Human cloning to be ammended into the Missouri constitution. That is something i will never agree with and many people won't either. So naming it something other then what it is and then trotting out MJF to mislead those looking for any glimmer of hope is one of the most evil things Ive seen in politics in awhile.

 

[onedomino]

So all of you are wrong, Bush didn't block any kind of research. He simply blocked taxypayer money to fund that type of research. The research can and is being done by private organizations is it not?

Let’s cut the semantic baloney. We are not talking about private research associated with short-term profits like Microsoft developing the next Windows OS. We are talking about long-term research with no known timeframe or guarantee of success. No private companies do that type of research and you know it. So when Bush cuts Federal funds for embryonic stem cell research, he is effectively preventing such research. By the way, whining about Michael Fox just looks mean-spirited and costs Republicans votes at the polls. Really maladaptive. Fortunately, Californians, whose economy constitutes about 15 percent of US GDP, do not have to depend on the Feds. In 2004, 59 percent of those who voted approved Prop 71 which calls for $3 billion to be spent over 10 years to further all types of stem cell research. Implementation of Prop 71 has been challenged in court, but those battles are over and the initiative will soon move forward and the money will be dispersed. If any effective treatments for disease are discovered, we will share them with everybody. Some things are too important to be left to the Feds.

 

[CharlestonChad]

http://newsbusters.org/node/8576

Folks, I believe RedState ed by mod. might have found the most biased media outlet short of North Korean papers.

Rush mocks a handicapped person for exposing the reality of a disease. That might be one of the most douche-bag things he has ever done. Had Fox taken drugs to inhance the symptoms, then I might see Rush's point. Rush has the brain of a small child, and he goes on instant attack mode once someone does anything that might make his party look bad.

 

[Kagom]

I know what he was doing, insein. I just was giving my opinion on him. But I've been hearing he mocked MJF, though I have yet to see evidence (so I don't believe it).

I still don't condone MJF trying to pull sympathy by neglecting his medication. That is wrong and dangerous.

Screaming_Eagle: Democrats do unethical things and so do Republicans. For this matter, yes, they are unethical for supporting the commercial. But LImbaugh is a jerkoff in my opinion. I also don't give Ms. Coulter much thought either.

 

[Dr Grump]

Am I the only one who is seeing the irony in that conservatives are bitching about Michael Fox being unethical by not taking his drugs, when his point probably is, "look what happens when I don't have my drugs, which I now have thanks to research"...?

As for unethical, I reckon telling voters if they don't vote for the GoP you are more prone to terrorist attacks is not only unethical but downright disgusting...

 

[CharlestonChad]

Am I the only one who is seeing the irony in that conservatives are bitching about Michael Fox being unethical by not taking his drugs, when his point probably is, "look what happens when I don't have my drugs, which I now have thanks to research"...?

As for unethical, I reckon telling voters if they don't vote for the GoP you are more prone to terrorist attacks is not only unethical but downright disgusting...

1. Not taking his meds, which I haven't seen proof of yet, would just show what it's like for those who don't have the money to afford medication.

2. The disease affects people worse if they don't have drugs. Why showcase the disease without the symptoms. That's like having a Porsche commercial where the car is just sitting there in a traffic jam.

3. Voting Democrat will lift the restrictionson ESC. Voting Democrat may or may not have an affect on terrorism. One is a fact and the other is speculation.

 

[jillian]

Am I the only one who is seeing the irony in that conservatives are bitching about Michael Fox being unethical by not taking his drugs, when his point probably is, "look what happens when I don't have my drugs, which I now have thanks to research"...?

As for unethical, I reckon telling voters if they don't vote for the GoP you are more prone to terrorist attacks is not only unethical but downright disgusting...

For people to understand what's at stake with this research, they had to see the symptoms of the disease unvarnished. It bothers the people opposed to stem cell research because it was incredibly effective.

And you're absolutely right about telling people "vote for us, or you're going to die". Pretty sick, IMO.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Am I the only one who is seeing the irony in that conservatives are bitching about Michael Fox being unethical by not taking his drugs, when his point probably is, "look what happens when I don't have my drugs, which I now have thanks to research"...?

As for unethical, I reckon telling voters if they don't vote for the GoP you are more prone to terrorist attacks is not only unethical but downright disgusting...

What's REALLY ironic and downright disgusting is how liberal Democrats will fill the minds of sick people with lies and hopes for a cure when there is scientifically no real hope of a cure with embryonic stem cells so that the sick person will go out and campaign for their Ideology of Death.

 

[CharlestonChad]

Ideology of Death.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Avatar4321]

Folks, I believe RedState ed by mod might have found the most biased media outlet short of North Korean papers.

Rush mocks a handicapped person for exposing the reality of a disease. That might be one of the most douche-bag things he has ever done. Had Fox taken drugs to inhance the symptoms, then I might see Rush's point. Rush has the brain of a small child, and he goes on instant attack mode once someone does anything that might make his party look bad.

Do you have to mock the other posters names as such? Im not saying you are the only one doing it, come on is it that difficult to have some civility.

BTW Rush didnt mock him at all. You obviously didnt listen to what he actually said. He has been very respectful to Fox. Which is far more than I can say you have.

But then you cant really deal with what Rush says so you have to go to the personal attack. and its the stinking personal attacks that turn people off from politics.

 

[Avatar4321]

Am I the only one who is seeing the irony in that conservatives are bitching about Michael Fox being unethical by not taking his drugs, when his point probably is, "look what happens when I don't have my drugs, which I now have thanks to research"...?

As for unethical, I reckon telling voters if they don't vote for the GoP you are more prone to terrorist attacks is not only unethical but downright disgusting...

Who is saying that? There are a number of non-GOP people can vote for and not be more porne to terrorist attacks from. Joe Lieberman for example. He may be on the wrong side of most every issues, but he understands whats at stake.

But when you have Candidates like John Kerry telling us we are going to solve the Iranian nuclear weapon problem by giving them the nuclear materials they need to build them, youd be kinda stupid not to point out that if he actually did that we'd all be freaking dead.

The thing is MJF statements arent based in reality. He is using his illness to promote democrats whether they support stem cells or not and to oppose Republicans who DO support stem cells.

Im sorry but claiming Senator Talent opposes research and wants to criminalize it is an out and out lie. And you are going to be called upon it whether you have an illness or not. Why should being sick excuse you when you lie? Pointing out Senator Kerry will make us less secure because he says he wants to give the Iranians nuclear materials on national television isnt lying.

MJF lied. There is no denying this. we aren't lying by pointing out the incompetant and outright dangerous security policies of the cut and run crowd. Why the heck is it so difficult for some of you people to understand this?

 

[red states rule]

Do you have to mock the other posters names as such? Im not saying you are the only one doing it, come on is it that difficult to have some civility.

BTW Rush didnt mock him at all. You obviously didnt listen to what he actually said. He has been very respectful to Fox. Which is far more than I can say you have.

But then you cant really deal with what Rush says so you have to go to the personal attack. and its the stinking personal attacks that turn people off from politics.

Libs like CC do not care about the facts. Mr Fox did not take his meds so he would look sicker then he really is, and in turn, get the pity he wants fromt he masses

When he is called on his dishonesty, we are accused of being heartless

Liberalsim requires "victims" to be able to speak out without anyone calling them on what say and do

 

[insein]

I know what he was doing, insein. I just was giving my opinion on him. But I've been hearing he mocked MJF, though I have yet to see evidence (so I don't believe it).

I still don't condone MJF trying to pull sympathy by neglecting his medication. That is wrong and dangerous.

Screaming_Eagle: Democrats do unethical things and so do Republicans. For this matter, yes, they are unethical for supporting the commercial. But LImbaugh is a jerkoff in my opinion. I also don't give Ms. Coulter much thought either.

funny avatar, btw. Yes Rush was not disrespecting MJF. He made it very clear over and over on his show several times that he was not meaning disrespect towards MJF. He was merely stating the obvious that MJF went off his meds to make his symptoms appear worse for the TV shoot.

The real argument Rush had is being buried. The Dems called this ammendment to the Missouri Constitution a "Stem Cell Research and Cures" bill but it actually legalizes human cloning. He spent most of his show dedicated to pointing out the outrageousness of naming an ammendment something that has nothing to do with what it is. Naturally though, the advocates of this ammendment went quickly to how Rush is a moron for insulting MJF for the idiots like CharlestonChad to parrot to his friends. Sadly the human cloning part is getting buried when it really should be the issue.

 

[Avatar4321]

funny avatar, btw. Yes Rush was not disrespecting MJF. He made it very clear over and over on his show several times that he was not meaning disrespect towards MJF. He was merely stating the obvious that MJF went off his meds to make his symptoms appear worse for the TV shoot.

The real argument Rush had is being buried. The Dems called this ammendment to the Missouri Constitution a "Stem Cell Research and Cures" bill but it actually legalizes human cloning. He spent most of his show dedicated to pointing out the outrageousness of naming an ammendment something that has nothing to do with what it is. Naturally though, the advocates of this ammendment went quickly to how Rush is a moron for insulting MJF for the idiots like CharlestonChad to parrot to his friends. Sadly the human cloning part is getting buried when it really should be the issue.

Unfortunately, that seems to be a theme of modern liberals, lets not debate what the actual issue is. Instead lets hide it by mislabelling it and attacking our opponents. Lets claim they have to right to have an opinion on this matter. Yet somehow we are the threat to liberty and freedom of thought.

The fact is if we have a debate on the issues Conservatives would will 99.8% of the time.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Care to elaborate?

Liberalism is an ideology of death, especially for our western culture. Liberalism is nihilistic in nature. Take a look at a partial list which shows various forms of death that liberals support:

abortion
partial birth abortion
embryonic stem cell research
infanticide
euthanasia
high rates of violence which includes murder
environmental extremism such as bans on DDT
death threats to our President
death of marriage
death tax

In the late 1970’s the former journalist Malcolm Muggeridge penned an essay titled “The Great Liberal Death Wish.” In it he described liberalism’s responsibility for the West’s descent into decadence; “a solvent rather than a precipitate, a sedative rather than a stimulant, a slough rather than a precipice; blurring the edges of truth, the definition of virtue, the shape of beauty.” In power, liberalism discards a civilization’s traditional values, offering in return only “a death wish.”

Liberalism’s essence is not a positive ideology; it is an oxymoron, the toleration of irreconcilable ideas bound by one common thread; acrimony for Western values. For all its intellectual pomp and humanitarian claims, it is the negation of thinking and the embrace of nihilism. Liberalism sees allies in Islam, which relegates women to third class citizenry, with feminism, that denial of biological reality. Happily trading in robust philosophical debate and concrete ideas for catchy slogans and one-dimensional policies, liberalism endorses a lifestyle lacking of substance and discipline, a nihilistic and self-defeating sex that takes from both participants more than it could ever give.

…liberalism doesn’t care about civilization’s welfare as conservatism does. It is not the alternative to conservatism; it is its repudiation. It is our civilization’s self-hatred, its death wish. It offers no viable policy alternatives and promises only demise. And so, “systematically, stage by stage, dismantling our Western way of life, depreciating and deprecating all its values so that the whole social structure is now tumbling down, dethroning its God, undermining all its certainties” liberalism rushes on towards the cliff, knowingly, willingly, destroying what is best in the human condition, taking down with it all mankind’s triumphs and achievements.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=320069

 

[Kagom]

funny avatar, btw. Yes Rush was not disrespecting MJF. He made it very clear over and over on his show several times that he was not meaning disrespect towards MJF. He was merely stating the obvious that MJF went off his meds to make his symptoms appear worse for the TV shoot.

The real argument Rush had is being buried. The Dems called this ammendment to the Missouri Constitution a "Stem Cell Research and Cures" bill but it actually legalizes human cloning. He spent most of his show dedicated to pointing out the outrageousness of naming an ammendment something that has nothing to do with what it is. Naturally though, the advocates of this ammendment went quickly to how Rush is a moron for insulting MJF for the idiots like CharlestonChad to parrot to his friends. Sadly the human cloning part is getting buried when it really should be the issue.

Thanks. It took me a long time to find it, surprisingly.

That's what I've been reading all over the internet regarding Rush. I'd like to review the ammendment myself, otherwise I really won't have much of an opinion on this. If it is trying to legalize human cloning, shoot it the fuck down. However, if it's not, then I see no reason to not let it pass.

 

[manu1959]

Folks, I believe RedState ed by mod. might have found the most biased media outlet short of North Korean papers.

Rush mocks a handicapped person for exposing the reality of a disease. That might be one of the most douche-bag things he has ever done. Had Fox taken drugs to inhance the symptoms, then I might see Rush's point. Rush has the brain of a small child, and he goes on instant attack mode once someone does anything that might make his party look bad.

fox is not handicapped.....rush is entitled to his free speach....all papers are biased....you are biased