Michael Flynn Withdraws Guilty Plea – Cites DOJ “bad faith, vindictiveness & breach of plea agreemen

[colfax_m]

On December 1, 2017, Flynn appeared in federal court to formalize a deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller to plead guilty to a felony count of "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements"to the FBI.[20] He confirmed his intention to cooperate with the Special Counsel's investigation.

Do we know his specific lie(s)?

Yes. Read the indictment. It lays it out in precise detail and is very damning.
Michael Flynn indictment: Read the charges filed against Flynn

I am asking you to lay it out. You’ve obviously read it. Quote his lie.

I have already. He claimed he didn’t speak to the Russian ambassador about Obama administration applying sanctions in December 2016.

That is not what the indictment is.

But at least you tried.

He said January and not June. That was the lie. His dates were wrong.

It’s in the indictment and that’s what he pled to. Wrong J month.

Yes, that is what the indictment says.

You’re incorrect. I don’t know where you got that information.

 

[colfax_m]

United States of America v. Michael Cohen | Making False Statements | Government Of The United States

Here is the link. Read it and write his lie. Anyone.

That’s the indictment of Michael Cohen. Not Michael Flynn.

No wonder you’re confused. You have been talking about the wrong person the whole time. Embarrassing.

 

[colfax_m]

On December 1, 2017, Flynn appeared in federal court to formalize a deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller to plead guilty to a felony count of "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements"to the FBI.[20] He confirmed his intention to cooperate with the Special Counsel's investigation.

Do we know his specific lie(s)?

Yes. Read the indictment. It lays it out in precise detail and is very damning.
Michael Flynn indictment: Read the charges filed against Flynn

I am asking you to lay it out. You’ve obviously read it. Quote his lie.

I have already. He claimed he didn’t speak to the Russian ambassador about Obama administration applying sanctions in December 2016.

And so what if he did? Wasn't he the incoming NSA?

He was engaging in foreign policy and affecting the actions of Russia. This is highly unusual since there is only one president at a time.

If it was no big deal, why did he lie about it?

 

[j-mac]

On December 1, 2017, Flynn appeared in federal court to formalize a deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller to plead guilty to a felony count of "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements"to the FBI.[20] He confirmed his intention to cooperate with the Special Counsel's investigation.

Do we know his specific lie(s)?

Yes. Read the indictment. It lays it out in precise detail and is very damning.
Michael Flynn indictment: Read the charges filed against Flynn

I am asking you to lay it out. You’ve obviously read it. Quote his lie.

I have already. He claimed he didn’t speak to the Russian ambassador about Obama administration applying sanctions in December 2016.

And so what if he did? Wasn't he the incoming NSA?

He was engaging in foreign policy and affecting the actions of Russia. This is highly unusual since there is only one president at a time.

If it was no big deal, why did he lie about it?

No it's not unusual for an incoming NSA to have meetings with their counterparts...Where did you come up with it being unusual?

 

[colfax_m]

Yes. Read the indictment. It lays it out in precise detail and is very damning.
Michael Flynn indictment: Read the charges filed against Flynn

I am asking you to lay it out. You’ve obviously read it. Quote his lie.

I have already. He claimed he didn’t speak to the Russian ambassador about Obama administration applying sanctions in December 2016.

And so what if he did? Wasn't he the incoming NSA?

He was engaging in foreign policy and affecting the actions of Russia. This is highly unusual since there is only one president at a time.

If it was no big deal, why did he lie about it?

No it's not unusual for an incoming NSA to have meetings with their counterparts...Where did you come up with it being unusual?

He. Was. Engaging. In. Policy.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The FBI knew the proper dates, they were simply trying to get him in a perjury trap.

The 302 forms filled out after the interview indicted the FBI agents did not think Flynn was being elusive....but they went back and nailed him anyways because DEEP STATE.

 

[Mac-7]

What was Flynn’s lie? Specifically.

That he spoke to the Russian ambassador about sanctions being applied by the Obama administration.

As a member of the trump transition team

Correct. Although it’s highly unusual as it breaks the “one president at a time” rule. It violates a law no one really cares about that’s never been prosecuted and may not be constitutional.

But he still lied about it.

Not at all

trump should not be expected to take office cold turkey with no prior preparation

He wasn’t “preparing” he was engaging in policy.

Thats a matter of opinion

Flynn was talking to the russians about future US policy

 

[colfax_m]

That he spoke to the Russian ambassador about sanctions being applied by the Obama administration.

As a member of the trump transition team

Correct. Although it’s highly unusual as it breaks the “one president at a time” rule. It violates a law no one really cares about that’s never been prosecuted and may not be constitutional.

But he still lied about it.

Not at all

trump should not be expected to take office cold turkey with no prior preparation

He wasn’t “preparing” he was engaging in policy.

Thats a matter of opinion

Flynn was talking to the russians about future US policy

Otherwise known as engaging in policy.

 

[Mac-7]

As a member of the trump transition team

Correct. Although it’s highly unusual as it breaks the “one president at a time” rule. It violates a law no one really cares about that’s never been prosecuted and may not be constitutional.

But he still lied about it.

Not at all

trump should not be expected to take office cold turkey with no prior preparation

He wasn’t “preparing” he was engaging in policy.

Thats a matter of opinion

Flynn was talking to the russians about future US policy

Otherwise known as engaging in policy.

No

flynn could only talk about future policy rather than sign a treaty

 

[theHawk]

I doubt they will let him change the plea, despite the obvious corruption and negligence on the government side. The Deep State needs to nail him, to make an example of anyone who goes up against the Globalist Agenda. Until all of these types are removed from their positions of power, they’ll continue to operate without impunity and abuse their authority to destroy the opposition.

 

[colfax_m]

Correct. Although it’s highly unusual as it breaks the “one president at a time” rule. It violates a law no one really cares about that’s never been prosecuted and may not be constitutional.

But he still lied about it.

Not at all

trump should not be expected to take office cold turkey with no prior preparation

He wasn’t “preparing” he was engaging in policy.

Thats a matter of opinion

Flynn was talking to the russians about future US policy

Otherwise known as engaging in policy.

No

flynn could only talk about future policy rather than sign a treaty

That’s called making policy.

 

[Mac-7]

Not at all

trump should not be expected to take office cold turkey with no prior preparation

He wasn’t “preparing” he was engaging in policy.

Thats a matter of opinion

Flynn was talking to the russians about future US policy

Otherwise known as engaging in policy.

No

flynn could only talk about future policy rather than sign a treaty

That’s called making policy.

Flynn cannot make policy

hes only an advisor to the president

but he can talk to russians

 

[colfax_m]

He wasn’t “preparing” he was engaging in policy.

Thats a matter of opinion

Flynn was talking to the russians about future US policy

Otherwise known as engaging in policy.

No

flynn could only talk about future policy rather than sign a treaty

That’s called making policy.

Flynn cannot make policy

hes only an advisor to the president

but he can talk to russians

Good point. Which is why Flynn was in contact with high level Trump officials (who are unnamed in the indictment) to determine what their policy was so that he could relay it to the ambassador.

 

[Mac-7]

Thats a matter of opinion

Flynn was talking to the russians about future US policy

Otherwise known as engaging in policy.

No

flynn could only talk about future policy rather than sign a treaty

That’s called making policy.

Flynn cannot make policy

hes only an advisor to the president

but he can talk to russians

Good point. Which is why Flynn was in contact with high level Trump officials (who are unnamed in the indictment) to determine what their policy was so that he could relay it to the ambassador.

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this

if flynn had done the same thing for president elect hillary he would never have been touched by the FBI

 

[j-mac]

I am asking you to lay it out. You’ve obviously read it. Quote his lie.

I have already. He claimed he didn’t speak to the Russian ambassador about Obama administration applying sanctions in December 2016.

And so what if he did? Wasn't he the incoming NSA?

He was engaging in foreign policy and affecting the actions of Russia. This is highly unusual since there is only one president at a time.

If it was no big deal, why did he lie about it?

No it's not unusual for an incoming NSA to have meetings with their counterparts...Where did you come up with it being unusual?

He. Was. Engaging. In. Policy.

No. He. Wasn't.

"Several officials emphasized that while sanctions were discussed, they did not see evidence that Flynn had an intent to convey an explicit promise to take action after the inauguration."

snip

"Former U.S. officials also said aggressive enforcement would probably discourage appropriate contact. Michael McFaul, who served as U.S. ambassador to Russia during the Obama administration, said that he was in Moscow meeting with officials in the weeks leading up to Obama’s 2008 election win."

snip

"As a former diplomat and U.S. government official, one needs to be able to have contact with foreigners to do one’s job,” McFaul said."

snip

"Flynn had “been in touch with diplomatic leaders, security leaders in some 30 countries. That’s exactly what the incoming national security adviser should do.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5b29d6-ee11-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html

 

[colfax_m]

Otherwise known as engaging in policy.

No

flynn could only talk about future policy rather than sign a treaty

That’s called making policy.

Flynn cannot make policy

hes only an advisor to the president

but he can talk to russians

Good point. Which is why Flynn was in contact with high level Trump officials (who are unnamed in the indictment) to determine what their policy was so that he could relay it to the ambassador.

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this

if flynn had done the same thing for president elect hillary he would never have been touched by the FBI

He wouldn’t have been touched by the FBI because Clinton would not have told Flynn to relay policy directives to the Russians since she is not as uninformed about presidential transitions as Trump was.

 

[j-mac]

Not at all

trump should not be expected to take office cold turkey with no prior preparation

He wasn’t “preparing” he was engaging in policy.

Thats a matter of opinion

Flynn was talking to the russians about future US policy

Otherwise known as engaging in policy.

No

flynn could only talk about future policy rather than sign a treaty

That’s called making policy.

Well, clearly you are mad as hell at Jon Kerry then, and calling for his prosecution too, right?

 

[Mac-7]

No

flynn could only talk about future policy rather than sign a treaty

That’s called making policy.

Flynn cannot make policy

hes only an advisor to the president

but he can talk to russians

Good point. Which is why Flynn was in contact with high level Trump officials (who are unnamed in the indictment) to determine what their policy was so that he could relay it to the ambassador.

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this

if flynn had done the same thing for president elect hillary he would never have been touched by the FBI

He wouldn’t have been touched by the FBI because Clinton would not have told Flynn to relay policy directives to the Russians since she is not as uninformed about presidential transitions as Trump was.

Wouldnt she?

swamp rats who are tight with the Deep State can do anything they want

 

[colfax_m]

I have already. He claimed he didn’t speak to the Russian ambassador about Obama administration applying sanctions in December 2016.

And so what if he did? Wasn't he the incoming NSA?

He was engaging in foreign policy and affecting the actions of Russia. This is highly unusual since there is only one president at a time.

If it was no big deal, why did he lie about it?

No it's not unusual for an incoming NSA to have meetings with their counterparts...Where did you come up with it being unusual?

He. Was. Engaging. In. Policy.

No. He. Wasn't.

"Several officials emphasized that while sanctions were discussed, they did not see evidence that Flynn had an intent to convey an explicit promise to take action after the inauguration."

snip

"Former U.S. officials also said aggressive enforcement would probably discourage appropriate contact. Michael McFaul, who served as U.S. ambassador to Russia during the Obama administration, said that he was in Moscow meeting with officials in the weeks leading up to Obama’s 2008 election win."

snip

"As a former diplomat and U.S. government official, one needs to be able to have contact with foreigners to do one’s job,” McFaul said."

snip

"Flynn had “been in touch with diplomatic leaders, security leaders in some 30 countries. That’s exactly what the incoming national security adviser should do.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5b29d6-ee11-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html

You really need to catch up. We know far more about Flynn’s conversations since that piece was published nearly 3 years ago.

 

[j-mac]

No

flynn could only talk about future policy rather than sign a treaty

That’s called making policy.

Flynn cannot make policy

hes only an advisor to the president

but he can talk to russians

Good point. Which is why Flynn was in contact with high level Trump officials (who are unnamed in the indictment) to determine what their policy was so that he could relay it to the ambassador.

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this

if flynn had done the same thing for president elect hillary he would never have been touched by the FBI

He wouldn’t have been touched by the FBI because Clinton would not have told Flynn to relay policy directives to the Russians since she is not as uninformed about presidential transitions as Trump was.

So, was Obama equally as misinformed when he had Michael McFaul do the exact same things?