Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays?

[007]

I guess the difference here is I don’t allow the retailers to dictate what Christmas is to me. Perhaps you should reflect on why what they do is really that important to you Pale.

I don't either. No Merry Christmas, no shop there.

 

[007]

I am glad however, to see that 3 to 1 people prefer Merry Christmas to happy holidays. That's encouraging.

 

[MissileMan]

Then that's part of where our thoughts differ MM....



http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/article2.html

Another reason I think it's much ado about nothing:

Unless you are prepared to show that all of these businesses are owned by the 15% of the population that aren't Christian, then Christians are also among those putting up "Happy Holidays" signs.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I did indeed.

I don't think that it's a conspiracy to slight Christians. I think it's an effort by retailers to reach out to as many shoppers as possible with the least amount of advertising/decorating money spent. If I can put up one sign, "Happy Holidays", that means "Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanza, Happy New Year", all in one shot, it makes sense. I don't have to take down the "Merry Christmas" signs on Dec 26 and put up the "Happy New Year" signs. It doesn't give any one holiday a higher status than any of the others, which is where I think most of the complaining is coming from.

I am the customer. And the customer is always RIGHT.
(especially when we are in the majority)
I'm in the stores to celebrate Christmas, not some meaningless "happy holiday".

Stores used to always put up Merry Christmas signs. Dust them off and put them back up. Keep a "happy holiday" sign around for the minorities.

The reason the retailers have been cowed into "happy holiday" signs is because the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The minority has been too squeaky (especially the Far Left in the media pushing this anti-Christian agenda). Enough already! It is time the majority ROARS back!

The Left completely ignores how much Christian values - personified in the celebration of Christmas - uphold their professed ideas about helping the poor and the wretched.....so why are they so anti-Christmas? Think about that.

 

[Mr. P]

I don't either. No Merry Christmas, no shop there.

Works for me. I said so in another post too.

 

[Mr. P]

Another reason I think it's much ado about nothing:

Unless you are prepared to show that all of these businesses are owned by the 15% of the population that aren't Christian, then Christians are also among those putting up "Happy Holidays" signs.

And Excellent point! Another is these folks are in business to make money, as much money as they can, NOT cater to any religion. If that's what they where doing, I guess they'd have a Christian book store.

 

[007]

Another reason I think it's much ado about nothing:

Unless you are prepared to show that all of these businesses are owned by the 15% of the population that aren't Christian, then Christians are also among those putting up "Happy Holidays" signs.

That's probably very true, and the ones putting up their happy holidays signs instead of their Merry Christmas signs would be the ones that have caved to the onslaught against Christmas.

Ask Macy's how the happy holidays signs worked out for them last year. Not good. They lost a lot of business. They're putting up the Merry Christmas signs this year though, and I bet they do much better. Which is one of the points I've been trying to make. You cator to the minority, you exclude the MAJORITY. Very simply really.

 

[Mr. P]

Okay, I just gotta ask…

What religion does the phrase “Happy Holidays” indorse or reject, and why?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Okay, I just gotta ask…

What religion does the phrase “Happy Holidays” indorse or reject, and why?

None.

That's the POINT.

 

[007]

Okay, I just gotta ask…

What religion does the phrase “Happy Holidays” indorse or reject, and why?

I'll answer that if you can answer this Mr. P, are you going to put up a holiday tree, or a Christmas tree? Are you going Christmas shopping, or holiday shopping? Are going to have a Christmas dinner, or a holiday dinner? Should I go on?

To tell you the truth, I don't know why we're so far disconnected on reasoning here.

 

[Mr. P]

None.

That's the POINT.

Gawd I was hoping that wasn't the point...But knew it was..
Some of you are scary..really you are...No different than the Islam extremist, cept ya ain't blowin shit up ...YET.

My way or no way right guys?

 

[Mr. P]

I'll answer that if you can answer this Mr. P, are you going to put up a holiday tree, or a Christmas tree? Are you going Christmas shopping, or holiday shopping? Are going to have a Christmas dinner, or a holiday dinner? Should I go on?

To tell you the truth, I don't know why we're so far disconnected on reasoning here.

Why not just answer?

But if I must go first..
As tradition has it it will be a Christmas Tree…
I don’t shop so that’s a non-issue
The meal will be very nice, call “it” whatever you want.

And I think the reason we are so far disconnected here is because I don’t let commercialism, nor anyone else’s opinion affect my beliefs in a “Holiday”.

 

[MissileMan]

I'll answer that if you can answer this Mr. P, are you going to put up a holiday tree, or a Christmas tree? Are you going Christmas shopping, or holiday shopping? Are going to have a Christmas dinner, or a holiday dinner? Should I go on?

And are you going to celebrate New Year's Eve and New Year's Day, or Christmas part deaux and trois?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Gawd I was hoping that wasn't the point...But knew it was..
Some of you are scary..really you are...No different than the Islam extremist, cept ya ain't blowin shit up ...YET.

My way or no way right guys?

WE'RE scary? What about us scares you exactly?

We're not scary like Islam extremists who kill Christians in their countries.
Also scary is the Far Left which wants to totally anihilate religion from the face of the earth.

 

[Mr. P]

WE'RE scary? What about us scares you exactly?

We're not scary like Islam extremists who kill Christians in their countries.
Also scary is the Far Left which wants to totally anihilate religion from the face of the earth.

Clue Far Right is just as scary..

 

[Bonnie]

Clue Far Right is just as scary..

I agree the very far right can be scary just as any one person who is fanatical about anything is...however Im not sure that people who take offense to stores that purposefully leave out Merry Christmas while taking in heaps of money from said consumers is what I would call fanatics or far right loons. Again the anger is mostly directed at the actual groups that really are doing their very best to rid the public of open expressions and celebrations of Christianity, the retail industry is the little insulting icing on the holiday cake, at least that's my perspective. I don't care one way or the other really about the stores although I do think it's ridiculous and somewhat hypocritical if they do that, Im more concerned with the Michael Newdow's et all.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Clue Far Right is just as scary..

You think we are the Far Right? Just what does that mean to you exactly? What is scaring you?

 

[007]

I agree the very far right can be scary just as any one person who is fanatical about anything is...however Im not sure that people who take offense to stores that purposefully leave out Merry Christmas while taking in heaps of money from said consumers is what I would call fanatics or far right loons. Again the anger is mostly directed at the actual groups that really are doing their very best to rid the public of open expressions and celebrations of Christianity, the retail industry is the little insulting icing on the holiday cake, at least that's my perspective. I don't care one way or the other really about the stores although I do think it's ridiculous and somewhat hypocritical if they do that, Im more concerned with the Michael Newdow's et all.

Thank God there's a voice of reason here that understands.

Thank YOU Bonnie.

 

[007]

Gawd I was hoping that wasn't the point...But knew it was..
Some of you are scary..really you are...No different than the Islam extremist, cept ya ain't blowin shit up ...YET.

My way or no way right guys?

Well, so far Mr. P, according to you, us that would like to see "Merry Christmas" continue, as it has, for a long, long, long time now, have been "misguided", and now we're fucking TERRORISTS?

If anyone is being rediculous here, it's YOU Mr. P. I've said NOTHING to you about WHO YOU ARE. I've only debated your apparent lack of concern for the systematic elimination of Christmas from Christmas. And now we who care are "MISGUIDED TERRORISTS"??!!

Shit man, that's a liberal trait. To attack the opposition, and start with name calling and character assassinations. I didn't think you were a liberal. But maybe you are. Most liberals could give a shit less about Christmas. They'd like nothing more than to see it all go away, because the whole Christ's birthday thing is religon based, and religon stands in the way of their godless agenda. Is that you?

 

[HorhayAtAMD]

Ask Macy's how the happy holidays signs worked out for them last year. Not good. They lost a lot of business. They're putting up the Merry Christmas signs this year though, and I bet they do much better. Which is one of the points I've been trying to make. You cator to the minority, you exclude the MAJORITY. Very simply really.

From your example, it sounds to me like the system is working in exactly the way you claim it is not working. You say that the majority always bends to the will of the minority and then show us a case where the exact opposite happened.

Besides, the fact that they took down all the Merry Christmas signs, lost money, put them back up, and are now making money again should tell you that Macy's couldn't give a damn about Christmas, Christ, or Christians. Macy's only cares about making a buck. If they thought that putting up signs saying "Happy Satan's Day" would increase sales, the Merry Christmas signs would be gone faster than you could blink. Think about that the next time a Macy's clerk wishes you a Merry Christmas and ask yourself how sincere it really is.

The countries that have truly tried to ban religion have done it by killing the members of that religion, burning down their places of worship, and imprisoning the sympathizers, none of which is even close to happening in the US. What you are witnessing here is capitalism at its greatest, and what could be more American than that?