Zone1 Maui Fire Charity

[ActionJackson]

Okay - you are referring to or citing human compassion - beheld by morals and the education we received, e.g. holding open a door, victims of a flood would be welcomed to stay in my home, dress them, feed them. defending a weak person against an obvious lowlife and aggressor etc.

But were $$ come in - that is not necessarily human compassion - it can be a simple tax benefit that someone solely uses to highlight his supposed humanity and generosity, or those who try to reduce their guilt for doing nothing actively - but get off their "neglected moral obligation" via donating some $$. Deriving from a former church practice - why repent and lead a decent life - if one can get off everything with a fee - aka monetary or a materialistic contribution to the church.

And human compassion can't be allowed (IMO) to be misused as a substitute for a governments financial non-action, and thus it's utter neglect towards society.

For me, dollars amount to aid if the dollars are going to the right charity. I don't trust the Red Cross any further than I can throw it. I do trust GiveSendGo. Since I'm not in Maui, I can't buy food and water and hand it to the needy myself. So monetary help is the next best thing.

I fully understand that many disagree with giving to charity. We live in a very self-centric world. I also understand that others simply don't have the funds to give, since we live under a tax-hungry regime that thinks it knows better how to spend our money better than we do. And here in America, we're suffering from Bidenomics which further stresses our finances.

 

[Moonglow]

Then don't give and think of only yourself. In other words, just be yourself.

I will...

 

[ninja007]

oprah and the roclk can give out of their 2.8 billion. oprah and the rock are child traffickers also.

 

[ninja007]

2300 missing kids still- oprah to the rescue....

 

[shimon]

This is a tough one my heart goes out to all those families that were devastated esp all the children that are gone and unaccounted for… I don’t think we will ever be given the true numbers who perished here…. The government thinks nothing about sending money to other pet projects like keeping the war going in Ukraine but doesn’t have much except mere crumbs for its citizens one must wonder why…This might hurt some feelings Of course technically the United States took Hawaii which was a sovereign country some may say unlawfully Look it up the history is interesting.. But I digress yes send money if you feel the need but hopefully it goes to those in need it really doesn’t look like the federal government or the state officials are interested in anything except clearing off that land that use to be historically the capital of Hawaiians state erasing it and replacing it with something they want… In my opinion they are going to white wash it if no one steps in and calls them on it like they have in so many places before..

 

[Kruska]

For me, dollars amount to aid if the dollars are going to the right charity. I don't trust the Red Cross any further than I can throw it. I do trust GiveSendGo. Since I'm not in Maui, I can't buy food and water and hand it to the needy myself. So monetary help is the next best thing.

I fully understand that many disagree with giving to charity. We live in a very self-centric world. I also understand that others simply don't have the funds to give, since we live under a tax-hungry regime that thinks it knows better how to spend our money better than we do. And here in America, we're suffering from Bidenomics which further stresses our finances.

We are kind of turning in circles - Maui is not a charity issue to me - but a government issue.
That e.g. the people on Maui, should help each other - via giving non monetary aid is understood. - e.g. shelter, food and clothing.

If e.g. Maui should happen in Germany (see e.g. the couple of huge floods they had) - why would the people have to give money?

Food, medical and shelter support would be provided by the governments disaster unit - THW, and via the German Army and the local government hospitals, social services and their staff. In exceptional cases people would voluntarily or if asked by the local government - provide additional shelter or helping in the distribution of food and care.

Financial issues (destroyed property and belongings) are regulated foremost by the respective insurance companies - (admittedly, Germans are far better and higher insured then e.g. Americans). Foremost required by laws - that don't exist in the USA, or only rudimentary.

If due to a disaster someone in Germany can't go to work - aka earn money, there are laws in place that protect an employees income issue and employment guarantees for such periods.

Therefore to provide for the peoples needs - especially in regards to a natural disaster, the GOVERNMENT holds the responsibility to act - especially to where $$ are involved. How much income tax does an American pay? In Germany it is at average 30% For those earning more then US$ 7000 it's 45% - that does not include additional tax deductions in regards to social affairs. VAT is 19%. Fucking petrol is at around US$ 7.50 a gallon. tax, tax, tax.....

So the governments responsibility is also the reason as to why e.g. Germany only spends 1.4% of GDP into defense - and the USA?
Also Germany does not allocate millions for a president to play Golf - or paying the bills for "dignitaries" to stay in hotels that belong to a president, etc. etc.

As such if you prefer the "American way" - you are right, the government counts onto peoples charity and itself does little to nothing. But provides US$ billions and trillions for some scrupulous wall-street fuckups, and industries that couldn't be bothered about making profit.

Don't you dare and call me a socialist or commie now. As such the "perfect solution" could be a combination out of the American and German system.

Leaving human compassion at were it should be correctly placed and practiced.

 

[ActionJackson]

We are kind of turning in circles - Maui is not a charity issue to me - but a government issue.
That e.g. the people on Maui, should help each other - via giving non monetary aid is understood. - e.g. shelter, food and clothing.

If e.g. Maui should happen in Germany (see e.g. the couple of huge floods they had) - why would the people have to give money?

Food, medical and shelter support would be provided by the governments disaster unit - THW, and via the German Army and the local government hospitals, social services and their staff. In exceptional cases people would voluntarily or if asked by the local government - provide additional shelter or helping in the distribution of food and care.

Financial issues (destroyed property and belongings) are regulated foremost by the respective insurance companies - (admittedly, Germans are far better and higher insured then e.g. Americans). Foremost required by laws - that don't exist in the USA, or only rudimentary.

If due to a disaster someone in Germany can't go to work - aka earn money, there are laws in place that protect an employees income issue and employment guarantees for such periods.

Therefore to provide for the peoples needs - especially in regards to a natural disaster, the GOVERNMENT holds the responsibility to act - especially to where $$ are involved. How much income tax does an American pay? In Germany it is at average 30% For those earning more then US$ 7000 it's 45% - that does not include additional tax deductions in regards to social affairs. VAT is 19%. Fucking petrol is at around US$ 7.50 a gallon. tax, tax, tax.....

So the governments responsibility is also the reason as to why e.g. Germany only spends 1.4% of GDP into defense - and the USA?
Also Germany does not allocate millions for a president to play Golf - or paying the bills for "dignitaries" to stay in hotels that belong to a president, etc. etc.

As such if you prefer the "American way" - you are right, the government counts onto peoples charity and itself does little to nothing. But provides US$ billions and trillions for some scrupulous wall-street fuckups, and industries that couldn't be bothered about making profit.

Don't you dare and call me a socialist or commie now. As such the "perfect solution" could be a combination out of the American and German system.

Leaving human compassion at were it should be correctly placed and practiced.

Human compassion isn't a political topic, although it can be turned into one by folks with an agenda.

When a human is suffering, other humans (or the compassionate ones) are obligated to help them. Most won't, of course, because helping others is an inconvenience. Most will find all sorts of excuses to ignore the pain and suffering of others because they're very busy worrying about themselves and their personal lives.

If the government was actually helping the victims of the fire, then there would be no need for people across the globe to help. But since the government has pretty much ignored the situation, it falls onto others to step up to the plate. Even the nation of Hungary sent emergency aid when the American government turned a blind eye.

I fully realize that the concept of charity is a personal issue. I'm fully aware that a very large percentage of human beings on earth aren't interested. This thread is appealing to that small handful who are natural givers and them who have a sense of empathy in their hearts. Fortunately, GiveSendGo has raised nearly $25,000.00 from that tiny percentage of charitable folks.

 

[BreezeWood]

Of course technically the United States took Hawaii which was a sovereign country some may say unlawfully Look it up the history is interesting..

look who's talking -

your glass house - and the religious state - inside the islamic republics.

and what of that garden - another day off for the jews - to keep holy.

 

[shimon]

look who's talking -

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your glass house - and the religious state - inside the islamic republics.

and what of that garden - another day off for the jews - to keep holy.

You have it backwards as usual but I knew I could count on you to try and muddy the waters…

 

[Moonglow]

Human compassion isn't a political topic, although it can be turned into one by folks with an agenda.

When a human is suffering, other humans (or the compassionate ones) are obligated to help them. Most won't, of course, because helping others is an inconvenience. Most will find all sorts of excuses to ignore the pain and suffering of others because they're very busy worrying about themselves and their personal lives.

If the government was actually helping the victims of the fire, then there would be no need for people across the globe to help. But since the government has pretty much ignored the situation, it falls onto others to step up to the plate. Even the nation of Hungary sent emergency aid when the American government turned a blind eye.

I fully realize that the concept of charity is a personal issue. I'm fully aware that a very large percentage of human beings on earth aren't interested. This thread is appealing to that small handful who are natural givers and them who have a sense of empathy in their hearts. Fortunately, GiveSendGo has raised nearly $25,000.00 from that tiny percentage of charitable folks.

I do donate to animals that are crippled that need a set of wheels to be mobile.

 

[BreezeWood]

You have it backwards as usual but I knew I could count on you to try and muddy the waters…

not so sure of that, shimon - there is not a state in the u s that isn't stolen from someone ... funny how all of a sudden 1947 they vote for israel like no one already lived there ... and makebelieve it belonged to a desert tribe from past who claim they were slaves in egypt. glass house is more than accurate.

and look -

how they keep the garden holy - oh of course that's their day off, the sabbeth - ask the op he knows - just like maui, that fire wasn,t from the heavens they too were keeping their day off - holy.

 

[shimon]

not so sure of that, shimon - there is not a state in the u s that isn't stolen from someone ... funny how all of a sudden 1947 they vote for israel like no one already lived there ... and makebelieve it belonged to a desert tribe from past who claim they were slaves in egypt. glass house is more than accurate.

and look -

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how they keep the garden holy - oh of course that's their day off, the sabbeth - ask the op he knows - just like maui, that fire wasn,t from the heavens they too were keeping their day off - holy.

Shows what you know but many people not just you mistakenly think that vote in 1947 was the important factor in determining that land belonged to the Jewish people.. It wasn’t there were binding agreements made much earlier then that years earlier by the League of Nations that superceded the United Nations that gave the whole land including Jordan as well for a Jewish state which were illegally broken which is why we are in the current mess we are in….of course there are biblical claims as well and also claims in the Koran as well but arguing with you is a waste of my time and breath … Plus as usual you have taken this topic off base by your constant trolling and innuendoes…

 

[BreezeWood]

Shows what you know but many people not just you mistakenly think that vote in 1947 was the important factor in determining that land belonged to the Jewish people.

Of course technically the United States took Hawaii which was a sovereign country ...

You have it backwards as usual but I knew I could count on you to try and muddy the waters…

not so sure of that, shimon

that is you who refuses a dialogue - for what you began.

cry us a river for your league of nations - "including jordan as well" - as any different than what was already stated.