Mandate Electric Cars to save the environment.

[Cold Fusion38]

Oh yeah I gues I wouldn't want to break any copy write laws. My bad but there is litterally TONS of info in favor of electric at least as much for gas cars and hell they had a whole LOBBY for them. Go up against big oil and see what that gets ya. And no I am NOT an enviro-nut I just think that electric cars with proper development can be fun efficient clean and BETTER than IC based cars. Oh and by the way I HATE hybrids they have all the problems of BOTH in one small package.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Oh yeah I gues I wouldn't want to break any copy write laws. My bad but there is litterally TONS of info in favor of electric at least as much for gas cars and hell they had a whole LOBBY for them. Go up against big oil and see what that gets ya. And no I am NOT an enviro-nut I just think that electric cars with proper development can be fun efficient clean and BETTER than IC based cars. Oh and by the way I HATE hybrids they have all the problems of BOTH in one small package.

All anyone is asking is for you to practice honest discourse. Your constant fallacies, unbacked assertions, and repetitive posting aren't conductive to rational discussion.

Thus far you're not looking too good in this thread. Mostly because you really are ignorant of physics, thermodynamics, Ohm's law and science in general.

And you haven't even really studied modern electric controls, otherwise you wouldn't be making the infantile, idiotic comparison between slot car controllers and digital commutators in use today.

You simply don't know what you're talking about, and it shows, miserably.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Can I go back and edit them out. I really didn't think about any Copy Rite laws. Not looking for a Federal charge or anything hell I don't even pirate MUSIC.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

You COULD make an electric out of say a VW Bug and you wouldnt need anythink more than a slot car controler under a gas peddle.

I just wonder WHY you are so vehmently opposed to electric cars? Do you have an AGENDA that you would like to let us all know about?

 

[del]

Can I go back and edit them out. I really didn't think about any Copy Rite laws. Not looking for a Federal charge or anything hell I don't even pirate MUSIC.

most of it seems to be linked, just don't do it going forward. a link and a couple of paragraphs at most. thanks for cooperating

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Can I go back and edit them out. I really didn't think about any Copy Rite laws. Not looking for a Federal charge or anything hell I don't even pirate MUSIC.

most of it seems to be linked, just don't do it going forward. a link and a couple of paragraphs at most. thanks for cooperating

I just deleted I don't want to cause trouble. But there is a TON of info for how and WHY plug in electrics can be better in most every way than IC cars. Tell me if you could why to just about the LAST person BEGGED GM to let them keep their EV1s.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

So tell me MM how efficient are IC engines? Why do they produce SO MUCH unwanted heat that has to be vented out through radiators?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

You COULD make an electric out of say a VW Bug and you wouldnt need anythink more than a slot car controler under a gas peddle.

Yes, you would need alot more than that. If you knew anything about it, you would know that.

I just wonder WHY you are so vehmently opposed to electric cars? Do you have an AGENDA that you would like to let us all know about?

Another straw man. I am not opposed to electric cars. I am opposed to the government MANDATING them. I am opposed to the government creating a false market for them with my tax dollars, through subsidies.

I am designing a diesel-electric vehicle, been working on it for two years and I have a couple of patents on it, that will get 200 miles per gallon and the prototype will be built out of a Hummer.

It will be able to be charged by plugging in or, by letting the genset run. It will maintain its charge during operation -- never any need to stop to recharge. It's basically a locomotive, like you see pulling freight, scaled down.

This diesel-electric Hummer will be driven to Detroit, Washington, Times Square then on to Berkley using 40 gallons of diesel fuel, when it is built. I am still a long way from building it however.

You have no concept at all of how electric motors and controls work. I do have, having been an engineer for most of my adult life. To give you a clue of how successful that career was, I am retired at age 47 and never have to work again. Although, I get calls and emails quite often from people asking me to take on projects.

You're relying on assumptions and false arguments, fallacies and outright inaccuracies. You're bereft of any logic or reason. And, you're emotionally overwrought.

All products of the lazy, sloppy, undisciplined mush-mind.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Well I'm out gotta go do REAL things. Have a good one and sorry for my violation of board rules. I tend to just agree to them than rather than try to read all the "LEGALEZE"

 

[Midnight Marauder]

So tell me MM how efficient are IC engines?

You prove YOUR assertion, with a credible source, that IC engines are "THE most inefficient user of fossil fuels."

 

[Cold Fusion38]

You COULD make an electric out of say a VW Bug and you wouldnt need anythink more than a slot car controler under a gas peddle.

Yes, you would need alot more than that. If you knew anything about it, you would know that.

I just wonder WHY you are so vehmently opposed to electric cars? Do you have an AGENDA that you would like to let us all know about?

Another straw man. I am not opposed to electric cars. I am opposed to the government MANDATING them. I am opposed to the government creating a false market for them with my tax dollars, through subsidies.

I am designing a diesel-electric vehicle, been working on it for two years and I have a couple of patents on it, that will get 200 miles per gallon and the prototype will be built out of a Hummer.

It will be able to be charged by plugging in or, by letting the genset run. It will maintain its charge during operation -- never any need to stop to recharge. It's basically a locomotive, like you see pulling freight, scaled down.

This diesel-electric Hummer will be driven to Detroit, Washington, Times Square then on to Berkley using 40 gallons of diesel fuel, when it is built. I am still a long way from building it however.

You have no concept at all of how electric motors and controls work. I do have, having been an engineer for most of my adult life. To give you a clue of how successful that career was, I am retired at age 47 and never have to work again. Although, I get calls and emails quite often from people asking me to take on projects.

You're relying on assumptions and false arguments, fallacies and outright inaccuracies. You're bereft of any logic or reason. And, you're emotionally overwrought.

All products of the lazy, sloppy, undisciplined mush-mind.

Dude rock on hope it works!!!

 

[Midnight Marauder]

You COULD make an electric out of say a VW Bug and you wouldnt need anythink more than a slot car controler under a gas peddle.

Yes, you would need alot more than that. If you knew anything about it, you would know that.

I just wonder WHY you are so vehmently opposed to electric cars? Do you have an AGENDA that you would like to let us all know about?

Another straw man. I am not opposed to electric cars. I am opposed to the government MANDATING them. I am opposed to the government creating a false market for them with my tax dollars, through subsidies.

I am designing a diesel-electric vehicle, been working on it for two years and I have a couple of patents on it, that will get 200 miles per gallon and the prototype will be built out of a Hummer.

It will be able to be charged by plugging in or, by letting the genset run. It will maintain its charge during operation -- never any need to stop to recharge. It's basically a locomotive, like you see pulling freight, scaled down.

This diesel-electric Hummer will be driven to Detroit, Washington, Times Square then on to Berkley using 40 gallons of diesel fuel, when it is built. I am still a long way from building it however.

You have no concept at all of how electric motors and controls work. I do have, having been an engineer for most of my adult life. To give you a clue of how successful that career was, I am retired at age 47 and never have to work again. Although, I get calls and emails quite often from people asking me to take on projects.

You're relying on assumptions and false arguments, fallacies and outright inaccuracies. You're bereft of any logic or reason. And, you're emotionally overwrought.

All products of the lazy, sloppy, undisciplined mush-mind.

Dude rock on hope it works!!!

Diesel-electric locomotives work. So there is no question of a scaled down version working.

 

[Maple]

Electric cars need to be mandated. PERIOD !

Oh yeah, like anyone can actually afford one. Remember the economy worst since the depression, double digit unemployment. Get real and engage your brain bubba.

 

[Ringel05]

Ring have I said ANYTHING about replacing your F-350 a one ton HEAVY DUTY TRUCK? You (hopefully) have a need for such a truck but do you also have a smaller car? If so would you be opposed to replacing your comuter car with a plug in?

Nope, don't have any need other than as a penis extender, having the opportunity to waste as much gas as possible and pump as many polutants into the atmosphere as I can. Just kidding. It is my commuter car. At this point in time I have no desire to fork out the purchase price, maintenance and licensing costs of an additional vehicle, electric or otherwise.

 

[The T]

Yes, you would need alot more than that. If you knew anything about it, you would know that.Another straw man. I am not opposed to electric cars. I am opposed to the government MANDATING them. I am opposed to the government creating a false market for them with my tax dollars, through subsidies.

I am designing a diesel-electric vehicle, been working on it for two years and I have a couple of patents on it, that will get 200 miles per gallon and the prototype will be built out of a Hummer.

It will be able to be charged by plugging in or, by letting the genset run. It will maintain its charge during operation -- never any need to stop to recharge. It's basically a locomotive, like you see pulling freight, scaled down.

This diesel-electric Hummer will be driven to Detroit, Washington, Times Square then on to Berkley using 40 gallons of diesel fuel, when it is built. I am still a long way from building it however.

You have no concept at all of how electric motors and controls work. I do have, having been an engineer for most of my adult life. To give you a clue of how successful that career was, I am retired at age 47 and never have to work again. Although, I get calls and emails quite often from people asking me to take on projects.

You're relying on assumptions and false arguments, fallacies and outright inaccuracies. You're bereft of any logic or reason. And, you're emotionally overwrought.

All products of the lazy, sloppy, undisciplined mush-mind.

Dude rock on hope it works!!!

Diesel-electric locomotives work. So there is no question of a scaled down version working.

Agreed. And that technology has been refined since it's advent. It is very efficient.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

The cool thing about what you are proposing is if you had 4 electric motors at each wheel you could transfer upto 100% to the wheel with traction. Especially cool if it's a sports car. Have you looked into the new Diesel cars from BMW and VW? Thay sounnd pretty nice with none of the old diesel problems. What are your thoughts?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Well I guess technically you could have 25% go to the wheel with traction but for sports cars it would be handy.

 

[DiveCon]

Well I guess technically you could have 25% go to the wheel with traction but for sports cars it would be handy.

if your in a situation where only 1 wheel has traction, your already in deep shit
LOL

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Good point! I'm out have a good one!

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The cool thing about what you are proposing is if you had 4 electric motors at each wheel you could transfer upto 100% to the wheel with traction.

Wheelmotors is what locomotives use. However, not practical in the scaled down version. At first blush it does sound right, and my design originally incorporated them. But I quickly realized that it was really more for show than go, just vanity. Just for showing off. When I need 4WD I can get it mechanically. You don't need all four wheels driving at highway speeds anyway, two of them would just be idling most of the time, so why bother? Locomotives however, DO need all 16 wheels powered at all times.

Mine uses a single motor with limited slip differential. It just quite simply replaces the original engine and tranny in the drive train. It's also, AC instead of DC. Far more efficient, you have far better control, need much fewer batteries, everything's smaller from the wires to the controller to the stator. Higher voltage means much fewer amps to do the same work. Fewer amps also means alot less heat. You get alot more bang for the buck.

It's all controlled by a PLC. (Programmable Logic Controller) Everything on the vehicle. Everything for controls is digital +-5 volt, from the footfeed commutator to the turn signals to the headlamp switches. Everything. No matter what control is used, it's +-5 volt and goes as an input to the PLC. No 12 volt anywhere but on the output side of the PLC and PoU. (Point of Use)

The PLC is also constantly monitoring speed, (Yes we have cruise control) AC motor performance, the DC bus, the 12 volt system, the hydrogen generator, and even monitors and controls the diesel genset! It also even knows if you have buckled your seat belts or not, and reminds you! Tells you if a door is ajar, all that rot. Controls the climate in the cabin! Everything cars have today, every little bell and whistle, this PLC the size of a brick, controls. And it's programmed from your laptop!

The motor is controlled by a variable frequency drive. It utilizes the onboard DC bus I'll be maintaining with the batteries and the genset, and converts the current into a digitally simulated 3 phase AC waveform. This allows complete control of all parameters in the motor -- from frequency, amperage, magnetism, everything. Can actually magnetically LOCK and hold the rotor completely if need be. This allows me to use commercially available AC motors, and not have to have a custom one made! Important point here, this also makes this easily built and sold as a refit kit for existing vehicles of any size and type! THAT's recycling!

By the way, you only need to start the diesel for longer trips. The PLC program decides if we need the diesel, and when. And starts and stops it as necessary, and even controls its RPM. Most little in-town stuff won't require it, since you can plug in when you get home. But for longer trips, you're looking at extremely good fuel mileage at highway speeds. It'll be upwards of 200 MPG if not better. Which is just the opposite of what you get with a hybrid -- they're actually worse on the highway than they are in city driving.

Also, this has Hydrogen injection to supplement the diesel. I have had this on one of my diesel pick-ups for a couple of years. With this diesel-electric powerplant, there's ample power to make lots of hydrogen. In a diesel, hydrogen is very beneficial both for performance, mileage, and also for reducing wear. The only way Hydrogen is viable to make -- where you get back almost (but not quite) what you put into it to make it -- is as a supplement to your diesel fuel. (We cannot change the laws of thermodynamics, for starters.) But, since I have the capability of generating 5kva at all times anyway, it would be nonsensical not to make hydrogen during the process, to supplement the diesel.

Everything on this is in my computer, in my SolidWorks design program. A wonderful piece of software, allows me to design, build and even test everything in the virtual world. You mentioned BMW and VW earlier? They use SolidWorks or a similar design program as well.

The EV race car you gave us the video of earlier? I went to the guy's website and studied his specs. He's easily got $300,000 in that car. It has a 30 mile range at normal driving, then it needs plugged in. It's designed as a novelty drag racer, basically a rich man's toy -- he makes no pretense at all of it being in any way practical to own for just driving around, and he cannot take it on trips of any distance without trailering it and hauling it with his..... Diesel Dually pick-up.

Not cutting it down, it just is what it is. It's exactly what he wanted to build. I want to build a 200 MPG Hummer, and it's a much taller, much more challenging -- and much more universally beneficial, order.

By the way, I chose a Hummer for the symbolism. It's the poster boy of excess and waste, almost universally. The shock value of converting it to the most practical, most luxurious, and definitely easily the highest mileage vehicle around is what I'm going for.

I am waiting for a junked one to pop up, which isn't totaled. That I can buy pretty cheap. I'm not getting any gubmint grants or funding to do this, so I have to be miserly. When the right Hummer pops up, this all starts in the real world. Gonna cost me around $122,000, give or take 5 or 6, to build this prototype.

Now I hope you understand why I so strenuously object to the OP of this thread. We don't need any freaking mandates or subsidies from the gubmint to make shit work. It only stymies true progress in most cases. And also causes alot of waste, because people who get grants don't worry too much about being miserly.

If I got a gubmint grant for this, I would fast-track it and not worry too much about getting a junked Hummer on the cheap. I would go out and buy a used one and pay twice as much or more. I wouldn't have the incentive to really design this thing, it would be mostly trial and error. I would probably hire help as well -- all of this driving the cost up to probably triple or more what I am projecting.

See?