Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included

[SassyIrishLass]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

 

[strollingbones]

and another point of view:

The prevailing understanding is that Congress has no such authority because the language of the 14th Amendment is clear and so are the Supreme Court opinions interpreting it. Any person — regardless of their parents — acquires citizenship at birth so long as he or she is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. Proponents of congressional authority, however, reason that because the parents are in the country illegally, they are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. It is a tortured reading of the plain language — something originalists accuse "activist judges" of doing — to conclude it doesn't mean what it says. The parents are most certainly subject to the jurisdiction of the United States when they are inside this country. Public understaanding would reject the alternative: If illegal migrants are not subject to our jurisdiction, we cannot punish them for criminal behavior.

On birthright citizenship, Congress can't 'Trump' Constitution

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe he should have been clear in writing his amendment

The courts do not think so

 

[strollingbones]

i hate when the gop tries to define words.....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

What Sassy needs to get her way:

"In the exercise of its powers under section of the Fourteenth Article of
Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has
determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date
of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the
United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent
resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of
which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is
entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country,
shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign
country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the
meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen
of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence
within the United States at the moment of birth.”

 

[JoeB131]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals
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Fat Irish Sow, you realize that the kind of venom you have for Mexicans was the exact same kind of venom people in the 19th Century had for the Irish, right?

 

[Care4all]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.



it would take a constitutional amendment to change that....

 

[kaz]

and another point of view:

The prevailing understanding is that Congress has no such authority because the language of the 14th Amendment is clear and so are the Supreme Court opinions interpreting it. Any person — regardless of their parents — acquires citizenship at birth so long as he or she is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. Proponents of congressional authority, however, reason that because the parents are in the country illegally, they are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. It is a tortured reading of the plain language — something originalists accuse "activist judges" of doing — to conclude it doesn't mean what it says. The parents are most certainly subject to the jurisdiction of the United States when they are inside this country. Public understaanding would reject the alternative: If illegal migrants are not subject to our jurisdiction, we cannot punish them for criminal behavior.

On birthright citizenship, Congress can't 'Trump' Constitution

So if "born ... in the united states" = "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" then why did they repeat themselves?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

You're confused

 

[kaz]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

It means they are not citizens of another country. Diplomatic standing for another country is a hurdle you made up. Why would we offer citizenship to children of criminals but not children of diplomats? That makes no sense

 

[playtime]

Some of the original language of the 14th Amendment also excluded children of Indians... as in Native Americans.... the ones who were actually here first... before ANY immigrants 'invaded' (including our founding fathers)... but that language was also not included. What does matter, is the final draft that was ratified.

So, basically, that biased right leaning 'source' you have quoted & linked means nada.

 

[Valerie]

You're confused

sure, everyone's confused but you.

 

[Care4all]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

It means they are not citizens of another country. Diplomatic standing for another country is a hurdle you made up. Why would we offer citizenship to children of criminals but not children of diplomats? That makes no sense

NOPE....not a hurdle that i made up....this is something that our nation worked with....diplomats and ambassadors that had diplomatic immunity in the foreign nation they visited, where if here for diplomatic purposes, we had no jurisdiction over them.... we WANTED it this way, so that our diplomats and ambassadors for foreign Nations could not have a foreign nation hold our diplomats captive in their countries if our diplomats somehow broke their laws.....ONLY THOSE FOREIGNERS, the Ambassadors and Diplomats visiting the USA, are NOT under the jurisdiction of USA Laws....NO ONE ELSE.

Howard was SPECIFICALLY speaking about foreigner/alien diplomats/ambassadors to the US, that we had NO JURISDICTION over, we could not hold them to USA laws, we have to ship them back home to their foreign country....

Howard had NO REASON to write this the way he did, if it were ALL FOREIGNERS....he simply had to state all foreigners/alien children are not citizens if born here.

it was specifically directed towards the foreign/alien ambassador children that are born here...........drum roll.....because they are the ones that have diplomatic immunity and are NOT under the jurisdiction of the USA....

He specifically stated the children of foreign/alien ambassadors.....are not citizens if born here...

He DID NOT SIMPLY SAY Ambassadors, he was specific to say foreign/alien ambassadors so that he was not including our own USA Ambassadors, (that we send to their countries).

I don't know how Howard could be any more CLEAR, than what he was....?

And as others have mentioned, ALL foreigners visiting or living here, are under the rule of law, of the USA unless Ambassadors/diplomats from a foreign Nation who have diplomatic immunity....the illegal Mexicans would NOT be illegal if we had no jurisdiction of law on our own land...an illegal alien murderer could not even be held, if we had no jurisdiction of law over them....

 

[playtime]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

You're confused

The final draft before ratification, was introduced by Howard & his speech can be read here. Page one, pretty much states what was to be part of the Constitution & BTW, he voted on that final draft that excluded any language he might have said earlier.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/jbalkin/conlaw/senatorhowardspeechonthefourteenthamendment.pdf

 

[bendog]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

The problem is, lass, that for over 100 years the supreme court has held otherwise. I'm really not sure the supreme court meant illegal aliens could birth citizens, but to ask the scotus to review this now, there has to be law for the court to review, and to get a law you need trump and 60 supporters in the senate, and that isn't happening.

So, while I want illegal aliens to at least stop coming here anew, we need a different means.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

is the Supreme Court always right

 

[bendog]

and another point of view:

The prevailing understanding is that Congress has no such authority because the language of the 14th Amendment is clear and so are the Supreme Court opinions interpreting it. Any person — regardless of their parents — acquires citizenship at birth so long as he or she is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. Proponents of congressional authority, however, reason that because the parents are in the country illegally, they are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. It is a tortured reading of the plain language — something originalists accuse "activist judges" of doing — to conclude it doesn't mean what it says. The parents are most certainly subject to the jurisdiction of the United States when they are inside this country. Public understaanding would reject the alternative: If illegal migrants are not subject to our jurisdiction, we cannot punish them for criminal behavior.

On birthright citizenship, Congress can't 'Trump' Constitution

So if "born ... in the united states" = "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" then why did they repeat themselves?

Because diplomats and other people just visiting didn't count. But yeah, I think it's fair to say the drafters of the 14th never considered 12 million illegal aliens

 

[bendog]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

is the Supreme Court always right

yes, until they can be persuaded to change their minds.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

is the Supreme Court always right

Nope, but what they say is law eh?