Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included

[jon_berzerk]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

is the Supreme Court always right

yes, until they can be persuaded to change their minds.

really

so you are saying dred scott was the right opinion for example

 

[Wyatt earp]

i hate when the gop tries to define words.....

Just like the democrats on the 2nd?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

is the Supreme Court always right

Nope, but what they say is law eh?

last time i heard there was three equal branches

 

[jon_berzerk]

i hate when the gop tries to define words.....

Just like the democrats on the 2nd?

yup

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

is the Supreme Court always right

Nope, but what they say is law eh?

last time i heard there was three equal branches

Not in this case as they have the final say.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals
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Fat Irish Sow, you realize that the kind of venom you have for Mexicans was the exact same kind of venom people in the 19th Century had for the Irish, right?

WTF Joe why don't you dumb ass liberals understand the deffintion between legal immigrants and illegal ones ...is beyond me

Guess you guys like normal want to spout propaganda and muddy the waters.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

^ Pays no taxes, has no skin in the game

 

[jon_berzerk]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

is the Supreme Court always right

Nope, but what they say is law eh?

last time i heard there was three equal branches

Not in this case as they have the final say.

say who you --LOL

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Great, only that doesn't matter a fuckin' damn, just what the Supreme Court has ruled. Hate the little brown Americans all you like, they aren't going anywhere. We don't deport our own, naturalized citizens can be another case, and no other nation is interested in letting little brown American citizens just walk right in...

is the Supreme Court always right

Nope, but what they say is law eh?

last time i heard there was three equal branches

Not in this case as they have the final say.

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

 

[jon_berzerk]

is the Supreme Court always right

Nope, but what they say is law eh?

last time i heard there was three equal branches

Not in this case as they have the final say.

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

since when does a leftist believe the Constitution

oh yeah when they make up shit like you

--LOL

try again loser

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Nope, but what they say is law eh?

last time i heard there was three equal branches

Not in this case as they have the final say.

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

since when does a leftist believe the Constitution

oh yeah when they make up shit like you

--LOL

try again loser

I'm a liberal, and liberals wrote the Constitution. You are an American in name only.

 

[kaz]

The left will ignore it but Trump is correct.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included… This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Following the release of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s proposed immigration policies, a national debate has been sparked regarding the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the idea of birthright citizenship.

Many have argued that the 14th Amendment infers automatic citizenship upon any person born within the United States, even if the person’s parents are in the country illegally.

This has led to the use of the term “anchor babies” to describe such persons, as the citizenship they are granted upon birth acts as an anchor to keep the family from being deported, despite their lack of legal status.

But that simply isn’t what was intended by the 14th Amendment, as proven by the words of the very man who authored the amendment in 1866, Michigan Sen. Jacob M. Howard.

Howard explained in writing exactly what the scope of the law was when he introduced it, making it quite clear that it was referring to granting citizenship to the recently freed slaves only, not foreigners or even Native Americans.

According to The Federalist Papers Project, Howard wrote, in part, “that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.”

But Howard continued, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The 14th Amendment was created to confer citizenship upon only the former slaves who had recently been freed during the Civil War. It was not intended to be make a citizen of any person who just so happened to be born on U.S. soil to foreign parents in the country, legally or otherwise.

Man Who Wrote 14th Amendment Explains Who It Included... This Is Going to Devastate Liberals

Actually, Howard explained it VERY CLEARLY.

ALL children born on our soil ARE usa citizens, unless they are born to foreign/alien Ambassadors/diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and have diplomatic immunity while staying here. (with the exception of Native Americans)

He could not be more concise or clear in his words imo.... he was VERY SPECIFIC, everyone born on our soil is an American citizen, unless their foreign/alien parents have diplomatic standings giving their own foreign/alien Country, jurisdiction over them.

It means they are not citizens of another country. Diplomatic standing for another country is a hurdle you made up. Why would we offer citizenship to children of criminals but not children of diplomats? That makes no sense

NOPE....not a hurdle that i made up....this is something that our nation worked with....diplomats and ambassadors that had diplomatic immunity in the foreign nation they visited, where if here for diplomatic purposes, we had no jurisdiction over them.... we WANTED it this way, so that our diplomats and ambassadors for foreign Nations could not have a foreign nation hold our diplomats captive in their countries if our diplomats somehow broke their laws.....ONLY THOSE FOREIGNERS, the Ambassadors and Diplomats visiting the USA, are NOT under the jurisdiction of USA Laws....NO ONE ELSE.

Howard was SPECIFICALLY speaking about foreigner/alien diplomats/ambassadors to the US, that we had NO JURISDICTION over, we could not hold them to USA laws, we have to ship them back home to their foreign country....

Howard had NO REASON to write this the way he did, if it were ALL FOREIGNERS....he simply had to state all foreigners/alien children are not citizens if born here.

it was specifically directed towards the foreign/alien ambassador children that are born here...........drum roll.....because they are the ones that have diplomatic immunity and are NOT under the jurisdiction of the USA....

He specifically stated the children of foreign/alien ambassadors.....are not citizens if born here...

He DID NOT SIMPLY SAY Ambassadors, he was specific to say foreign/alien ambassadors so that he was not including our own USA Ambassadors, (that we send to their countries).

I don't know how Howard could be any more CLEAR, than what he was....?

And as others have mentioned, ALL foreigners visiting or living here, are under the rule of law, of the USA unless Ambassadors/diplomats from a foreign Nation who have diplomatic immunity....the illegal Mexicans would NOT be illegal if we had no jurisdiction of law on our own land...an illegal alien murderer could not even be held, if we had no jurisdiction of law over them....

Um..I'm not arguing that ambassador's children are citizens, that's not a point in contention. I'm saying it's ridiculous to think the Constitution was written to grant citizenship rights to criminals. You are subject to the laws of the United States when you are in the United States, but if you leave you are not subject to them if you are not. It has been for example illegal to buy Cuban cigars for US citizens even when we are in Europe, we are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States as a citizen. When a Mexican is in the US illegally, then leave, they can legally buy all the Cuban cigars they want. They as people are not subject to the laws of the United States, they are just in the United States

 

[jon_berzerk]

last time i heard there was three equal branches

Not in this case as they have the final say.

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

since when does a leftist believe the Constitution

oh yeah when they make up shit like you

--LOL

try again loser

I'm a liberal, and liberals wrote the Constitution. You are an American in name only.

you are not a liberal of the framers caliber

--LOL

nice try though

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Not in this case as they have the final say.

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

since when does a leftist believe the Constitution

oh yeah when they make up shit like you

--LOL

try again loser

I'm a liberal, and liberals wrote the Constitution. You are an American in name only.

you are not a liberal of the framers caliber

You're correct, I'm a lot smarter than they were, but they did okay, for the times.

 

[jon_berzerk]

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

since when does a leftist believe the Constitution

oh yeah when they make up shit like you

--LOL

try again loser

I'm a liberal, and liberals wrote the Constitution. You are an American in name only.

you are not a liberal of the framers caliber

You're correct, I'm a lot smarter than they were, but they did okay, for the times.

no not really --LOL

 

[kaz]

Not in this case as they have the final say.

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

since when does a leftist believe the Constitution

oh yeah when they make up shit like you

--LOL

try again loser

I'm a liberal, and liberals wrote the Constitution. You are an American in name only.

you are not a liberal of the framers caliber

--LOL

nice try though

They were classic liberals, liberals today are authoritarian leftists, we have nothing in common other than the name

 

[SassyIrishLass]

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

since when does a leftist believe the Constitution

oh yeah when they make up shit like you

--LOL

try again loser

I'm a liberal, and liberals wrote the Constitution. You are an American in name only.

you are not a liberal of the framers caliber

--LOL

nice try though

They were classic liberals, liberals today are authoritarian leftists, we have nothing in common other than the name

A better name for today's liberal is progtards.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States"

It does not say foreigners, aliens, OR who belong to the families of ambassadors.

Its reading is:

who are foreigners [and] aliens who belong to the families of ambassadors...etc...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who were the illegals in 1866?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Not in this case as they have the final say.

say who you --LOL

Says the US Constitution, and American history. What you got? Oh right, nothin'...

since when does a leftist believe the Constitution

oh yeah when they make up shit like you

--LOL

try again loser

I'm a liberal, and liberals wrote the Constitution. You are an American in name only.

you aint no liberal....liberals dont call for handicapped kids to be put down like your fucking dog...you are more like those assholes in the Middle East throwing gays off building tops...you are American in name only.."AINO"....

Liberals then, liberals now, same people, same philosophy. And only liberals can be actual Americans. It's a liberal nation.