Man Made Global Warming KOOKS

I'm really tired of the assertion by those on the other side of the Global Warming scan that only a few scientist oppose them. So I posted just a few, my apoligies for the very long post. However, someone mentioined money, okay let's talk about Al Gore's ownership of Carbon Trading Firm in London, or Nancy Pelosi's investment in a green transportation company in Ca., or G.E.'s Carbon Trading division they have already set up, oh did I happen to mention the head of G.E. Jeff Immelt is also one of Obama's advisors? This is another issue that proves to me even further that those who believe it would rather be led than follow is all.


Timothy F. Ball, former Professor of Geography, University of Winnipeg: "[The world's climate] warmed from 1680 up to 1940, but since 1940 it's been cooling down. The evidence for warming is because of distorted records. The satellite data, for example, shows cooling." (November 2004)[5] "There's been warming, no question. I've never debated that; never disputed that. The dispute is, what is the cause. And of course the argument that human CO2 being added to the atmosphere is the cause just simply doesn't hold up..." (May 18, 2006; at 15:30 into recording of interview)[6] "The temperature hasn't gone up. ... But the mood of the world has changed: It has heated up to this belief in global warming." (August 2006)[7] "Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. ... By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling." (Feb. 5, 2007)[8]
Robert M. Carter, geologist, researcher at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia: "the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998 ... there is every doubt whether any global warming at all is occurring at the moment, let alone human-caused warming."[9]
Vincent R. Gray, coal chemist, founder of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition: "The two main 'scientific' claims of the IPCC are the claim that 'the globe is warming' and 'Increases in carbon dioxide emissions are responsible'. Evidence for both of these claims is fatally flawed."[10]

Believe accuracy of IPCC climate projections is questionable
Individuals in this section conclude that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They do not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute: "The blind adherence to the harebrained idea that climate models can generate 'realistic' simulations of climate is the principal reason why I remain a climate skeptic. From my background in turbulence I look forward with grim anticipation to the day that climate models will run with a horizontal resolution of less than a kilometer. The horrible predictability problems of turbulent flows then will descend on climate science with a vengeance."[11]
Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view".[12]

Believe global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Attribution of climate change, based on Meehl et al. (2004), which represents the consensus viewIndividuals in this section conclude that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities.

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovskaya Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy - almost throughout the last century - growth in its intensity...Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated...Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away."[13][14][15]
Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics: "[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air."[16]
George V. Chilingar, Professor of Civil and Petroleum Engineering at the University of Southern California: "The authors identify and describe the following global forces of nature driving the Earth’s climate: (1) solar radiation ..., (2) outgassing as a major supplier of gases to the World Ocean and the atmosphere, and, possibly, (3) microbial activities ... . The writers provide quantitative estimates of the scope and extent of their corresponding effects on the Earth’s climate [and] show that the human-induced climatic changes are negligible."[17]
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa: "That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation - which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[18]
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester: "The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming."[19]
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University: "global warming since 1900 could well have happened without any effect of CO2. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035"[20]
William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus and head of The Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University: "This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations. Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood. Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes. We are not that influential."[21] "I am of the opinion that [global warming] is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people."[22] "So many people have a vested interest in this global-warming thing—all these big labs and research and stuff. The idea is to frighten the public, to get money to study it more."[23]
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology: "There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."[24]
George Kukla, retired Professor of Climatology at Columbia University and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, said in an interview: "What I think is this: Man is responsible for a PART of global warming. MOST of it is still natural."[25]
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware: "About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming."[26]
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa: global warming "is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn’t changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole"[27]
Tim Patterson[28], paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada: "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years. On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"[29][30]
Ian Plimer, Professor emeritus of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide: "We only have to have one volcano burping and we have changed the whole planetary climate... It looks as if carbon dioxide actually follows climate change rather than drives it".[31]
Harrison Schmitt, former Astronaut, chair of the NASA Advisory Council, Adjunct Professor of engineering physics at the University of Wisconsin-Madison:"I don't think the human effect is significant compared to the natural effect".[32]
Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo: "The IPCC's temperature curve (the so-called 'hockey stick' curve) must be in error...human influence on the 'Greenhouse Effect' is minimal (maximum 4%). Anthropogenic CO2 amounts to 4% of the ~2% of the "Greenhouse Effect", hence an influence of less than 1 permil of the Earth's total natural 'Greenhouse Effect' (some 0.03°C of the total ~33°C)."[33]
Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem: "[T]he truth is probably somewhere in between [the common view and that of skeptics], with natural causes probably being more important over the past century, whereas anthropogenic causes will probably be more dominant over the next century. ... [A]bout 2/3's (give or take a third or so) of the warming [over the past century] should be attributed to increased solar activity and the remaining to anthropogenic causes." His opinion is based on some proxies of solar activity over the past few centuries.[34]
Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia: "The greenhouse effect is real. However, the effect is minute, insignificant, and very difficult to detect."[35][36] “It’s not automatically true that warming is bad, I happen to believe that warming is good, and so do many economists.”[37]
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics: "[T]here's increasingly strong evidence that previous research conclusions, including those of the United Nations and the United States government concerning 20th century warming, may have been biased by underestimation of natural climate variations. The bottom line is that if these variations are indeed proven true, then, yes, natural climate fluctuations could be a dominant factor in the recent warming. In other words, natural factors could be more important than previously assumed."[38]
Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville: "I predict that in the coming years, there will be a growing realization among the global warming research community that most of the climate change we have observed is natural, and that mankind’s role is relatively minor"[39]
Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London: "...the myth is starting to implode. ... Serious new research at The Max Planck Society has indicated that the sun is a far more significant factor..."[40]
Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center: "Our team ... has discovered that the relatively few cosmic rays that reach sea-level play a big part in the everyday weather. They help to make low-level clouds, which largely regulate the Earth’s surface temperature. During the 20th Century the influx of cosmic rays decreased and the resulting reduction of cloudiness allowed the world to warm up. ... most of the warming during the 20th Century can be explained by a reduction in low cloud cover."[41]
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Professor Emeritus from University of Ottawa: "At this stage, two scenarios of potential human impact on climate appear feasible: (1) the standard IPCC model ..., and (2) the alternative model that argues for celestial phenomena as the principal climate driver. ... Models and empirical observations are both indispensable tools of science, yet when discrepancies arise, observations should carry greater weight than theory. If so, the multitude of empirical observations favours celestial phenomena as the most important driver of terrestrial climate on most time scales, but time will be the final judge."[42]

Believe cause of global warming is unknown
Scientists in this section conclude it is too early to ascribe any principal cause to the observed rising temperatures, man-made or natural.

Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and Founding Director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks: "[T]he method of study adopted by the International Panel of Climate Change (IPCC) is fundamentally flawed, resulting in a baseless conclusion: Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations. Contrary to this statement ..., there is so far no definitive evidence that 'most' of the present warming is due to the greenhouse effect. ... [The IPCC] should have recognized that the range of observed natural changes should not be ignored, and thus their conclusion should be very tentative. The term 'most' in their conclusion is baseless."[43]
Claude Allègre, geochemist, Institute of Geophysics (Paris): "The increase in the CO2 content of the atmosphere is an observed fact and mankind is most certainly responsible. In the long term, this increase will without doubt become harmful, but its exact role in the climate is less clear. Various parameters appear more important than CO2. Consider the water cycle and formation of various types of clouds, and the complex effects of industrial or agricultural dust. Or fluctuations of the intensity of the solar radiation on annual and century scale, which seem better correlated with heating effects than the variations of CO2 content."[44]
Robert C. Balling, Jr., a professor of geography at Arizona State University: "t is very likely that the recent upward trend [in global surface temperature] is very real and that the upward signal is greater than any noise introduced from uncertainties in the record. However, the general error is most likely to be in the warming direction, with a maximum possible (though unlikely) value of 0.3 °C. ... At this moment in time we know only that: (1) Global surface temperatures have risen in recent decades. (2) Mid-tropospheric temperatures have warmed little over the same period. (3) This difference is not consistent with predictions from numerical climate models."[45]
John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports: "I'm sure the majority (but not all) of my IPCC colleagues cringe when I say this, but I see neither the developing catastrophe nor the smoking gun proving that human activity is to blame for most of the warming we see. Rather, I see a reliance on climate models (useful but never "proof") and the coincidence that changes in carbon dioxide and global temperatures have loose similarity over time."[46]
Petr Chylek, Space and Remote Sensing Sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory: "carbon dioxide should not be considered as a dominant force behind the current warming...how much of the [temperature] increase can be ascribed to CO2, to changes in solar activity, or to the natural variability of climate is uncertain"[47]
William R. Cotton, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at Colorado State University said in a presentation, "It is an open question if human produced changes in climate are large enough to be detected from the noise of the natural variability of the climate system."[48]
Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland: "There is evidence of global warming. ... But warming does not confirm that carbon dioxide is causing it. Climate is always warming or cooling. There are natural variability theories of warming. To support the argument that carbon dioxide is causing it, the evidence would have to distinguish between human-caused and natural warming. This has not been done."[49]
David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma: "The amount of climatic warming that has taken place in the past 150 years is poorly constrained, and its cause – human or natural – is unknown. There is no sound scientific basis for predicting future climate change with any degree of certainty. If the climate does warm, it is likely to be beneficial to humanity rather than harmful. In my opinion, it would be foolish to establish national energy policy on the basis of misinformation and irrational hysteria."[50]
Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences: "We are quite confident (1) that global mean temperature is about 0.5 °C higher than it was a century ago; (2) that atmospheric levels of CO2 have risen over the past two centuries; and (3) that CO2 is a greenhouse gas whose increase is likely to warm the earth (one of many, the most important being water vapor and clouds). But – and I cannot stress this enough – we are not in a position to confidently attribute past climate change to CO2 or to forecast what the climate will be in the future."[51] "[T]here has been no question whatsoever that CO2 is an infrared absorber (i.e., a greenhouse gas – albeit a minor one), and its increase should theoretically contribute to warming. Indeed, if all else were kept equal, the increase in CO2 should have led to somewhat more warming than has been observed."[52]
Ivar Giaever, Nobel laureate in physics. At the 58th meeting of Nobel laureates on July 1, 2008 he stated that the global warming became a "new religion" [53] and that the humanity should try to solve real problems instead of trying to prevent global warming "that we can't prevent anyway." Signatory of a letter to the Council of the American Physical Society requesting it to change its position on global warming to include the words, "Current climate models appear insufficiently reliable to properly account for natural and anthropogenic contributions to past climate change, much less project future climate." [54]

Believe global warming will benefit human society
Scientists in this section conclude that projected rising temperatures and/or increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide will be of little impact or a net positive for human society.

Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change: "the rising CO2 content of the air should boost global plant productivity dramatically, enabling humanity to increase food, fiber and timber production and thereby continue to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their still-increasing numbers ... this atmospheric CO2-derived blessing is as sure as death and taxes."[55]
Sherwood Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University: "[W]arming has been shown to positively impact human health, while atmospheric CO2 enrichment has been shown to enhance the health-promoting properties of the food we eat, as well as stimulate the production of more of it. ... [W]e have nothing to fear from increasing concentrations of atmospheric CO2 and global warming."[56]
Patrick Michaels, part-time research professor of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia: "scientists know quite precisely how much the planet will warm in the foreseeable future, a modest three-quarters of a degree (Celsius), plus or minus a mere quarter-degree ... a modest warming is a likely benefit... human warming will be strongest and most obvious in very cold and dry air, such as in Siberia and northwestern North America in the dead of winter."[
 
The ones who aren't afraid to speak out? Who haven't had their careers, their reputations, their very lives threatened? The ones who are no longer being funded to lie?

These guys and gals? And thousands of others you never hear about?

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

"Warming fears are the worst scientific scandal in history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment comparing skeptics to Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.


Sillybozo, you're a complete tool, and a perfect Mark for this con.

Conspiracy theorist. Look into most if not all of these guys backgrounds and see who they donate their money to. See how much money they make. See where their investments are.

Small percentage. You can't threaten the entire scientific community, although Cheney tried. :lol:
YOU look into it. Nice to see by the speed of your reply you didn't even bother to read any of the quotes. I have many dozens more. I like this one alot:
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

Did you happen to see that several of these scientists are WITH the IPCC, and one is from NOAA? You are a lazy, sloppy oaf who really doesn't care about the truth, only your blind ideology and partisan hate.

Sorry but I have had enough arguments with righties to even care what you say or think because I'm on to your game and know your pattern. You will deny a problem even exists for as long as you possibly can and then when you can't do that anymore, then you'll suggest that our solutions suck and that you have better ones.

You don't even see a problem with companies polluting from their smokestacks. And you don't see a problem with India and China and Europe and Mexico all catching up to us on the amount of carbon or pollution that they are putting into the atmosphere.

So if that is your position, or your "scientists" position on this, then you are fools or benefitting from polluting.
 
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Navy. You seem like a reasonable person. Do you see a problem with all the companies in the USA sending up smoke into the atmosphere?

Now, add to that India, China, Mexico & Europe who are all catching up or passing us on how much they pollute.

Do you not see a problem with this?

Do you not think we should work to lower this pollution?
 
Sorry but I have had enough arguments with righties to even care what you say or think because I'm on to your game and know your pattern.
I am NOT a "rightie" stupid ass! That's been explained to you and demonstrated to you over and over. But because you are so lazy and sloppy, and so intent on regurgitating the kool-aid you have been spoon fed, you don't differentiate one poster here from the next! You even APOLOGIZED before, for lumping me in with the "righties" do you remember that?
You will deny a problem even exists for as long as you possibly can and then when you can't do that anymore, then you'll suggest that our solutions suck and that you have better ones.

You don't even see a problem with companies polluting from their smokestacks. And you don't see a problem with India and China and Europe and Mexico all catching up to us on the amount of carbon or pollution that they are putting into the atmosphere.

So if that is your position, or your "scientists" position on this, then you are fools or benefitting from polluting.
More parroted mindless blather. That's all you have, because you are too dishonest, lazy and sloppy to do any actual research.
 
cooling down. The evidence for warming is because of distorted records. The ."[


Navy. You seem like a reasonable person. Do you see a problem with all the companies in the USA sending up smoke into the atmosphere?

Now, add to that India, China, Mexico & Europe who are all catching up or passing us on how much they pollute.

Do you not see a problem with this?

Do you not think we should work to lower this pollution?
When he cannot assail the mounting evidence that the AGW Church is a scam, and that CO2 is NOT the major problem, he falls back on the emotional plea, the all-encompassing "pollution" mantra.

Once again moving the goalposts in order to deflect.
 
GOOD Magazine has an illuminating interview with San Diego TV weatherman and Weather Channel founder John Coleman, who is an outspoken critic of mainstream climate science. Coleman doubts that humans are altering the climate system, and even disputes that the climate has warmed at all (though it's not clear what time period Coleman is referring to).

Coleman has written numerous pieces on his KUSI-TV blog contending that global warming is a "scam."

The interview with GOOD writer David Puner sheds light on Coleman's lengthy career path in TV weathercasting -- after being ousted from the Weather Channel he had stints in cities including New York and Chicago before arriving in California -- and also his scientific research into climate change.

Keep reading for more on Coleman's take on climate change...

"... I've been studying it," Coleman said of global warming, "reading stuff, and looking at it, and can't figure out what the heck they're talking about."
Coleman said the media hype surrounding climate change is all aimed at scaring people and drumming up ratings, and has no scientific basis. "Have temperatures gone up? No. Is global warming sweeping the planet? No. Is the ice melting at the poles? No," Coleman said
Weather Channel Founder Talks Climate 'Scam' - Capital Weather Gang

Let me see Al Gore vs. the Founder of the weather channel, who would I believe about climate science? Let me think, one owns a Carbon Trading firm who stands to gain billions if cap and trade is passed and the other started a weather channel to inform people of impending weather conditions. All you who sit at the alter of Global Warming are being taken for a ride and in some cases by the very people you condemn for being the bad companies that take everyones money. Don't believe me take a look a the corporate sponsors of this bill. Let me be plain a company does not support anything it cannot make a profit on.
 
Sen. Boxer warns of 'droughts, floods, fires, loss of species' -- if Senate fails to pass bill...

Ozzmdj, right on brother, and have we got a place for you to live, you remember Love Canal right, well this is even better, you may get sick but since you love pollution and environmental wreckage, pick your place. Pictures of homes for someone with your knowledge of climate and weather, you're sure to find accommodations to your liking.

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Sen. Boxer warns of 'droughts, floods, fires, loss of species' -- if Senate fails to pass bill... :cuckoo:

Gotta love liberals. They disregard religious text and Biblical teachings as made-up fairy tales and act like homers for science...

...until the issue of global warming comes up, then they're all, "THE POLAR BEARS ARE IN DANGER! WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY WE DON'T HAVE TO MAYBE SAVE THEM!" LOL, OK. I guess now would be a bad time to mention the Theory of Evolution and natural selection. You remember Darwin, don't you? You know, the guy whose taint you want school children to worship every morning before class instead of being taught about creationism?
 
cooling down. The evidence for warming is because of distorted records. The ."[


Navy. You seem like a reasonable person. Do you see a problem with all the companies in the USA sending up smoke into the atmosphere?

Now, add to that India, China, Mexico & Europe who are all catching up or passing us on how much they pollute.

Do you not see a problem with this?

Do you not think we should work to lower this pollution?
When he cannot assail the mounting evidence that the AGW Church is a scam, and that CO2 is NOT the major problem, he falls back on the emotional plea, the all-encompassing "pollution" mantra.

Once again moving the goalposts in order to deflect.


See, you guys LOVE to keep the argument on the word WARMING, because you can argue that all day long.

But you won't tackle the two main problems. Do you know who's getting you to do this stupid? The Corporate Media. They'll have us arguing GWarming for years. Meanwhile, pollute, pollute, pollute.
 
See, you guys LOVE to keep the argument on the word WARMING, because you can argue that all day long.

But you won't tackle the two main problems. Do you know who's getting you to do this stupid? The Corporate Media. They'll have us arguing GWarming for years. Meanwhile, pollute, pollute, pollute.
Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person). This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself. The most obvious example of this fallacy is when one debater maligns the character of another debater (e.g, "The members of the opposition are a couple of fascists!"), but this is actually not that common. A more typical manifestation of argumentum ad hominem is attacking a source of information -- for example, responding to a quotation from Richard Nixon on the subject of free trade with China by saying, "We all know Nixon was a liar and a cheat, so why should we believe anything he says?" Argumentum ad hominem also occurs when someone's arguments are discounted merely because they stand to benefit from the policy they advocate -- such as Bill Gates arguing against antitrust, rich people arguing for lower taxes, white people arguing against affirmative action, minorities arguing for affirmative action, etc. In all of these cases, the relevant question is not who makes the argument, but whether the argument is valid.
 
cooling down. The evidence for warming is because of distorted records. The ."[


Navy. You seem like a reasonable person. Do you see a problem with all the companies in the USA sending up smoke into the atmosphere?

Now, add to that India, China, Mexico & Europe who are all catching up or passing us on how much they pollute.

Do you not see a problem with this?

Do you not think we should work to lower this pollution?


sealy, my position is simple, we can and do have the technology to develop ALL our energy resources in an environmentally sound manner. My problem is that to select one set of technologies and annoint them and ignore others because they do not fit into the scheme is ignorant and counter productive for all. Further, I do not think punishment is a way to incent people or companies to change their way's while fines are a valuable tool they should not be used as a profit making tool and the aim of this bill is to make punishment a profit making venture at the expense of this nation. Let me cite you some example, every technology has some degree of environmental risk associated with it, solar is land use , deforrestation, same with wind for little power output. clean coal you have cardon sequestration issues , in orther words you have to store a deadly by product in the ground, nuclear the same thing. See what I mean? So if we as a nation decided that to be energy independant we should develop EVERY resource we have and do so in a clean and environmentally sensitive manner without the influence of special interests on both sides you would find no bigger supporter than me. I also think, that if we were to go down this track, this nation would not only flourish we would ssoon find ourselves once again in a position wher our economy is strong, and able to support itself without the need of foreign influence. More jobs, equals, more people able to afford the things in life they need i.e. their own healthcare etc...
 
cooling down. The evidence for warming is because of distorted records. The ."[


Navy. You seem like a reasonable person. Do you see a problem with all the companies in the USA sending up smoke into the atmosphere?

Now, add to that India, China, Mexico & Europe who are all catching up or passing us on how much they pollute.

Do you not see a problem with this?

Do you not think we should work to lower this pollution?


sealy, my position is simple, we can and do have the technology to develop ALL our energy resources in an environmentally sound manner. My problem is that to select one set of technologies and annoint them and ignore others because they do not fit into the scheme is ignorant and counter productive for all. Further, I do not think punishment is a way to incent people or companies to change their way's while fines are a valuable tool they should not be used as a profit making tool and the aim of this bill is to make punishment a profit making venture at the expense of this nation. Let me cite you some example, every technology has some degree of environmental risk associated with it, solar is land use , deforrestation, same with wind for little power output. clean coal you have cardon sequestration issues , in orther words you have to store a deadly by product in the ground, nuclear the same thing. See what I mean? So if we as a nation decided that to be energy independant we should develop EVERY resource we have and do so in a clean and environmentally sensitive manner without the influence of special interests on both sides you would find no bigger supporter than me. I also think, that if we were to go down this track, this nation would not only flourish we would ssoon find ourselves once again in a position wher our economy is strong, and able to support itself without the need of foreign influence. More jobs, equals, more people able to afford the things in life they need i.e. their own healthcare etc...


First off, we are going to explore all sources of energy. But oil and nuclear are last options, not first. At least when we are in charge.

Second, if only the right was as honest as you.

And they just don't like our approach. I respect that, however we won the election and we have more seats in both houses than GW ever had, so really it is our decision. You might not like our decisions, but we didn't like theirs either and still they rammed it down our throats anyways. And they didn't work. Or, you did nothing for 8 years. Now it is our turn.

But you aren't a fucking idiot like Dive, MM and Dude. You and I seem to be capable of being honest with each other. I try with them but they just can't help but NEVER admit anything I say is right and that makes it hard for me to do anything other than mimmick their behavior.

I bet Washington works more like you and I. They generally like each other and might agree there is a problem, but viamently disagree on the solutions.
 
sealy let me say this, nuclear in my mind is the first best solution for our dhort term energy needs in this nation, not only is nuclear safe, it is a power source that is environemntally sensitive and creates a LOT of jobs and long lasting ones as well. However, did you know, that even in the current bill even though there is funding for some nuclear programs, that Nancy Pelosi has set up an energy committee in the House in which every energy issue that is brought to the floor must go through and every single time nuclear is in there it is striken from debate and from bills. The facts are that solar and wind will NOT meet the needs of this nation and cap and trade is a scheme that will do nothing but enrich those in enviro-business and send more American jobs to nations like China and India, Whats really funny about this punishment bill is that it's main goal is to reduce CO2 emissions and the EPA itself has admitted that without China and India it won't accomplish that, so how then can any reasonable person support a bill that will cause your utility bills to rise especially in Mi. where 1/3 of the residents are a month or more behind on their bills already and cause all fossil energy bills to rise ? especially when accomplishes nothing.
 
But you aren't a fucking idiot like Dive, MM and Dude. You and I seem to be capable of being honest with each other. I try with them but they just can't help but NEVER admit anything I say is right and that makes it hard for me to do anything other than mimmick their behavior.
Sealy, you're just playing into their chicken-choking hands when you do that.

These monkeys don't know how to do anything except throw tomatoes at anyone who doesn't think and act just like them.
:tomato:

Personally, I have no time for such crap. That's why they go on my ignore list.
 
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Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).[1] Two of the three directors of the NRSP - Timothy Egan and Julio Lagos - are executives with the PR and lobbying company, the High Park Group (HPG).[2] Both HPG and Egan and Lagos work for energy industry clients and companies on energy policy.[3]
Ball is a Canadian climate change skeptic and was previously a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry-backed organization, Friends of Science.[4] Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian free-market think tank which is predominantly funded by foundations and corporations.[5]

Ball is also a writer for Tech Central Station.[6]
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