Making fossil fuels more expensive in order to promote green energy will not work

[alexa]

Please tell me. Is the US still giving grants to fossil fuel companies.

 

[Smokin' OP]

It does not have to cost $5

Thats just democrat policies making petrol artificially high

Democrat policies?

April 30 2020
In an April 2 phone call, Trump told Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that unless the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) started cutting oil production, he would be powerless to stop lawmakers from passing legislation to withdraw U.S. troops from the kingdom.

The threat to upend a 75-year strategic alliance, which has not been previously reported, was central to the U.S. pressure campaign that led to a landmark global deal to slash oil supply.

 

[alexa]

Yes, he was all set to promote nuclear energy in a State of the Union address. He was a nuclear engineer, very familiar with how safe nuclear energy is.

But with Carter's incredible bad luck, Three Mile Island happened right before that speech. I guess worse luck would have been for him to make the speech and then have Three Mile Island the next day.

Nuclear energy is the readily available alternative to fossil fuels. In my day, liberals who were not nuclear engineers protested nuclear energy as if the e-VILE Republicans want to nuke American cities. It's practical and cost effective and has been used with great success in France, a country that liberals often say we need to emulate.

But that has nothing to do with giving half a billion dollars to a thrown together company like Solyndra, for solar panel that are not yet useful enough for the free market to choose them over fossil fuels. If you want green energy policies that work, you will have to look elsewhere than Democratic profiteers.

Nuclear plants apparently last about 50 year and give off poisons for millions.. It is also believed that with the weather we are going to have, accidents would be much more likely to happen. That said I have heard of new small nuclear reactors which are apparently much more safe

Now when we get nuclear fusion which seems to be becoming nearer, then everyone will be smiling.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Janet Yellen did not "admit," but rather proudly stated that this is indeed the reason for the Team Biden's attacks on the U.S. fossil fuel industry.



The problem with pushing gasoline prices up to force average Americans to buy far more expensive electric cars is that switching to electric cars does not eliminate the use of fossil fuels. There are two reasons why that plan will not work:

First of all, electric cars are produced at enormous costs to the environment and using large amounts of fossil fuels. The reason electric cars are more expensive than gasoline powered cars it the greater amount of energy it takes to produce them. Not to mention the negative impact on the environment of mining the lithium for the huge EV batteries (see bottom of post).

Second, electric cars still use energy. Electricity is energy. Electricity has to be generated to be useful. Perhaps Team Biden envisions every American having an electric car parked under their home windmill or solar panel array. Won't happen in our lifetimes. Electricity for EV's will continue to be generated by diesel and coal fired electric plants, to be sent to the homes of those with EV's in their garages. Even in the distant future if Americans do all have renewable energy at home, again, resources will have to be spent and the environment damaged by producing the equipment to capture that renewable energy.

Someday, perhaps hundreds of years from now, we will move away from fossil fuels, simply because they are finite. Also because alternative technology advances will make wind, solar or perhaps some other form of energy practical. It will be a gradual move driven by those two factors, similar to letting out the clutch and applying the gas. It is not helpful to either jam the gas pedal or pop the clutch. That produces a bumpy start and a likely stall (see bottom of post).

As almost always, the free market would be the best way to determine when we should start making that switch. The idea that industry, left to make its own decisions, would wait until the last drop of oil is out of the ground to start looking at alternative sources is absurd.

Processing of Lithium Ore

The lithium extraction process uses a lot of water—approximately 500,000 gallons per metric ton of lithium. To extract lithium, miners drill a hole in salt flats and pump salty, mineral-rich brine to the surface. After several months the water evaporates, leaving a mixture of manganese, potassium, borax and lithium salts which is then filtered and placed into another evaporation pool. After between 12 and 18 months of this process, the mixture is filtered sufficiently that lithium carbonate can be extracted.

South America’s Lithium Triangle, which covers parts of Argentina, Bolivia and Chile, holds more than half the world’s supply of the metal beneath its salt flats. But it is also one of the driest places on earth. In Chile’s Salar de Atacama, mining activities consumed 65 percent of the region’s water, which is having a large impact on local farmers to the point that some communities have to get water elsewhere.

As in Tibet, there is the potential for toxic chemicals to leak from the evaporation pools into the water supply including hydrochloric acid, which is used in the processing of lithium, and waste products that are filtered out of the brine. In Australia and North America, lithium is mined from rock using chemicals to extract it into a useful form. In Nevada, researchers found impacts on fish as far as 150 miles downstream from a lithium processing operation.

Lithium extraction harms the soil and causes air contamination. In Argentina’s Salar de Hombre Muerto, residents believe that lithium operations contaminated streams used by humans and livestock and for crop irrigation. In Chile, the landscape is marred by mountains of discarded salt and canals filled with contaminated water with an unnatural blue hue. According to Guillermo Gonzalez, a lithium battery expert from the University of Chile, “This isn’t a green solution – it’s not a solution at all.”

The Environmental Impact of Lithium Batteries

During the Obama-Biden administration, hydraulic fracturing was accused of causing a number of environmental problems—faucets on fire, contamination of drinking…

www.instituteforenergyresearch.org

As soon as I typed that about clutch and gas, I knew the analogy would be lost on most of those I intend this post for.

Theyre making fuel more expensive so it's easier to starve you to death

 

[Mac-7]

Democrat policies?

April 30 2020
In an April 2 phone call, Trump told Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that unless the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) started cutting oil production, he would be powerless to stop lawmakers from passing legislation to withdraw U.S. troops from the kingdom.

The threat to upend a 75-year strategic alliance, which has not been previously reported, was central to the U.S. pressure campaign that led to a landmark global deal to slash oil supply.

April 2020 was the middle of the chinese disease pandemic and the fauchi/democrat economic shutdown

If the saudis didnt reduce production there was no place to store so much excess oil

 

[rightwinger]

It does not have to cost $5

Thats just democrat policies making petrol artificially high

Oil Company greed which Republicans defend

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Oil Company greed which Republicans defend

The oil companies earn 5¢ to 10¢ in profits on each gallon of gasoline.

Government takes up to $1.83 in taxes and fees on each gallon of gasoline.

It does not seem to me that it is the oil companies that are being greedy.

 

[alexa]

I am watching Democracy Now news of yesterday. They are talking about Biden doing all sorts of good green things and then they say this will only happen if he agrees to open many more fields. In the UK our chancellor decided to give the fossil fuel people tax to pay. How the fossil fuel people were supposed to benefit from this was that money was only going to go to help fossil fuel = or something similar. They are hoping to open new fields in Scotland too.

so wtf is going on? It looks like in our new aristocracy the fossil fuel people are one of the richest and in plutocracies which the US and UK both are they are the people the Government serves. When we are fighting for a world for those who come after,, this is insane.

 

[Smokin' OP]

April 2020 was the middle of the chinese disease pandemic and the fauchi/democrat economic shutdown

If the saudis didnt reduce production there was no place to store so much excess oil

Excess SAUDI oil?
WTF? Just don't import it...............right?


The Strategic Petroleum Reserve is a U.S. Government complex of four sites with deep underground storage caverns created in salt domes along the Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coasts.

The SPR was filled to its then 727 million barrel authorized storage capacity on December 27, 2009; the inventory of 726.6 million barrels was the highest ever held in the SPR.

Prior to Hurricane Gustav coming ashore on September 1, 2008, the SPR had reached 707.21 million barrels, the highest level ever held up until that date. A series of emergency exchanges conducted after Hurricane Gustav, followed shortly thereafter by Hurricane Ike, reduced the level by 5.4 million barrels.

 

[Mac-7]

Oil Company greed which Republicans defend

Thats mindless crap

Did any lib call themselves greedy when the price of oil was low and producers were losing money?

 

[rightwinger]

The oil companies earn 5¢ to 10¢ in profits on each gallon of gasoline.

Government takes up to $1.83 in taxes and fees on each gallon of gasoline.

It does not seem to me that it is the oil companies that are being greedy.

The price of oil right now is $98 a barrel
We have had oil above $100 a barrel many times in the past and gas prices stayed below $3.50 a gallon

How do oil companies charge $4.50 a gallon for gas made from oil at $98 a barrel??

 

[Mac-7]

Excess SAUDI oil?
WTF? Just don't import it...............right?

The excess was worldwide not just in the US

And it was caused by government intervention in the marketplace via the fauchi/democrat shutdown

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Please tell me. Is the US still giving grants to fossil fuel companies.

What grants did they ever give to fossil fuel companies? Link?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nuclear plants apparently last about 50 year and give off poisons for millions.. It is also believed that with the weather we are going to have, accidents would be much more likely to happen. That said I have heard of new small nuclear reactors which are apparently much more safe

Now when we get nuclear fusion which seems to be becoming nearer, then everyone will be smiling.

Nuclear plants apparently last about 50 year and give off poisons for millions..

You're confused.

 

[alexa]

Jimmy Carter recommended we move to alternative fuels in the mid 70s

But we sold out to Big Oil and Drill Baby, Drill

That is when we needed to start and politicians were ready and willing to. The oil companies did some research and found out what they were doing. Then came the whole business until today including getting scientists to give false information and the Climate deniers began....and the most craziest bit, all over the world people give them grants.

Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago

A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation

www.scientificamerican.com

We are unfortunate in having people who would prefer to me making trillions and to continue making trillions destroying our home.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do oil companies charge $4.50 a gallon for gas made from oil at $98 a barrel??

What is the proper ratio of oil price to gas price?
How do you know?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is when we needed to start and politicians were ready and willing to. The oil companies did some research and found out what they were doing. Then came the whole business until today including getting scientists to give false information and the Climate deniers began....and the most craziest bit, all over the world people give them grants.

Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago

A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation

www.scientificamerican.com

We are unfortunate in having people who would prefer to me making trillions and to continue making trillions destroying our home.

OMG! Exxon knew 40 years ago?
The climate never changed before during all of history?

When did you stop using all oil based products?

 

[alexa]

This is not for the climate deniers who I cannot be bothered with any more but even those who believe in the need for change do not seem to understand the urgency and possibly just how bad the situation is. There is a delay in us getting the results of the issues we have already created which means that the climate change which we are experiencing now is only a minor part of the damage we have already done and if we continue using fossil fuels in the same way for the next 8 years we will not see the result of that for some time. However the important point is, that though we cannot see it, it will be done and it will be impossible to stop it coming into being and it will not change for thousands of years regardless of what we do.
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Our Governments are just not going to do what is needed. Extinction Rebellion did get it right as to what is needed and in the UK it had groups for all those interested including a Drs group. I hope they did not come too soon.

This is a video by some of the most informed wondering if we really are not going to do what is needed to stop the destruction of our planet. If we really are going to be responsible for our own extinction.

 

[rightwinger]

What is the proper ratio of oil price to gas price?
How do you know?

All I know are historical prices of gas compared to the price of oil
Based on oil under $100 a barrel, we are paying $1 a gallon of gas too much

 

[surada]

Janet Yellen did not "admit," but rather proudly stated that this is indeed the reason for the Team Biden's attacks on the U.S. fossil fuel industry.



The problem with pushing gasoline prices up to force average Americans to buy far more expensive electric cars is that switching to electric cars does not eliminate the use of fossil fuels. There are two reasons why that plan will not work:

First of all, electric cars are produced at enormous costs to the environment and using large amounts of fossil fuels. The reason electric cars are more expensive than gasoline powered cars it the greater amount of energy it takes to produce them. Not to mention the negative impact on the environment of mining the lithium for the huge EV batteries (see bottom of post).

Second, electric cars still use energy. Electricity is energy. Electricity has to be generated to be useful. Perhaps Team Biden envisions every American having an electric car parked under their home windmill or solar panel array. Won't happen in our lifetimes. Electricity for EV's will continue to be generated by diesel and coal fired electric plants, to be sent to the homes of those with EV's in their garages. Even in the distant future if Americans do all have renewable energy at home, again, resources will have to be spent and the environment damaged by producing the equipment to capture that renewable energy.

Someday, perhaps hundreds of years from now, we will move away from fossil fuels, simply because they are finite. Also because alternative technology advances will make wind, solar or perhaps some other form of energy practical. It will be a gradual move driven by those two factors, similar to letting out the clutch and applying the gas. It is not helpful to either jam the gas pedal or pop the clutch. That produces a bumpy start and a likely stall (see bottom of post).

As almost always, the free market would be the best way to determine when we should start making that switch. The idea that industry, left to make its own decisions, would wait until the last drop of oil is out of the ground to start looking at alternative sources is absurd.

Processing of Lithium Ore

The lithium extraction process uses a lot of water—approximately 500,000 gallons per metric ton of lithium. To extract lithium, miners drill a hole in salt flats and pump salty, mineral-rich brine to the surface. After several months the water evaporates, leaving a mixture of manganese, potassium, borax and lithium salts which is then filtered and placed into another evaporation pool. After between 12 and 18 months of this process, the mixture is filtered sufficiently that lithium carbonate can be extracted.

South America’s Lithium Triangle, which covers parts of Argentina, Bolivia and Chile, holds more than half the world’s supply of the metal beneath its salt flats. But it is also one of the driest places on earth. In Chile’s Salar de Atacama, mining activities consumed 65 percent of the region’s water, which is having a large impact on local farmers to the point that some communities have to get water elsewhere.

As in Tibet, there is the potential for toxic chemicals to leak from the evaporation pools into the water supply including hydrochloric acid, which is used in the processing of lithium, and waste products that are filtered out of the brine. In Australia and North America, lithium is mined from rock using chemicals to extract it into a useful form. In Nevada, researchers found impacts on fish as far as 150 miles downstream from a lithium processing operation.

Lithium extraction harms the soil and causes air contamination. In Argentina’s Salar de Hombre Muerto, residents believe that lithium operations contaminated streams used by humans and livestock and for crop irrigation. In Chile, the landscape is marred by mountains of discarded salt and canals filled with contaminated water with an unnatural blue hue. According to Guillermo Gonzalez, a lithium battery expert from the University of Chile, “This isn’t a green solution – it’s not a solution at all.”

The Environmental Impact of Lithium Batteries

During the Obama-Biden administration, hydraulic fracturing was accused of causing a number of environmental problems—faucets on fire, contamination of drinking…

www.instituteforenergyresearch.org

As soon as I typed that about clutch and gas, I knew the analogy would be lost on most of those I intend this post for.

Tell that to the oil companies. They control production.. my God, this is beyond stupid.