Make College Free! (For Americans)

[Uncensored2008]

The world needs ditch diggers too

They're called "Heavy Equipment Operators" now.

 

[hellraiser]

Hey guys, we are being jobbed. Hellraiser is playing with us. Vacate!

If you think that having the truth spoken to you is "being jobbed," that's up to you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Anyplace that you feel my logic is lacking, be sure to let me know.

You need to post something approaching logic, first.

 

[Boss]

Not that it has ever really existed to any meaningful degree, no, I don't believe in freedom. Next, your reasoning is askew. For example, would Einstein have better used his time with mathematics or being the CEO of the Ford corporation. As for me, you know nothing about me. Who are you to judge.

I believe people excel at what they desire to do as opposed to what they are told to do. If Einstein had wanted to be the CEO of an automobile company instead of a mathematician, he would have probably been a better CEO.

And again, we've identified the problem here... you don't believe in freedom. But you see, that's YOUR problem and not mine. I can know that one detail about you and it explains everything... I can judge you based on that one thing. What's askew is your mind thinking you can dictate things to me. I will fight, and I'm willing to die, for freedom from your tyranny.

 

[hellraiser]

Tell that to the French. People there don't have to pay for college.

Oh?

So the professors and administrators all donate their time? Text book authors and publishers ask for no compensation?

The government picks up the tab. Just as they do with health care. And there is a limit as to what administrators and college professors are paid. Part of their compensation comes from living in a more fair sociery. Aparently there, politicians think their job is to look after the people. What politicians do here mostly is shaking babies and kissing hands.

Yes we do raise a nation of fucking morons.

I hope you're not suggesting that I am one of them.

 

[Boss]

I can say this for you. You go to some lengths to show how stupid you are. Maybe you would like to try another documentary. It's called "The Corporation."

And you can go sit on a very sharp object and spin!

No... I will not be watching your socialist propaganda films.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I hope you're not suggesting that I am one of them.

You DO grasp that you're not the sharpest marshmallow in the bag, doncha?

 

[hellraiser]

Anyplace that you feel my logic is lacking, be sure to let me know.

You need to post something approaching logic, first.

If something works in another country, it is logical to assume that it would work here too. Now this is where you give me some of your pre French Revolution aristocrat philosophy.

 

[the_human_being]

A whole lot of us got our education this way:

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Oh. I see. Just because you were a sucker, you think that everybody else should be suckers too.

No. I say if one really wants a college education he/she can certainly obtain one without sitting on his ass and waiting on someone else to give him one. I wasn't a sucker either. I was drafted into military service. Military service is an honorable thing in spite of your own opinion of it.

You condemn yourself out of your own mouth. If you think that fighting for a country that would draft you doesn't make you a sucker, you ARE a sucker. Also, I have a more realistic opinion of what it was like to be sitting on a curb with my possessions sitting on the curb next to me. Because I experienced it. There is not a goddamn thing that is honorable for fighting for a country that lets things like that happen. Here's a message to you from reality land. "Poor people aren't the problem. Lack of work is."

And lazy ass "victims" who sit on their asses and piss and moan woe is me" and expect someone else to pay their way from the cradle to the grave and proclaim they are too smart to serve is what is really pathetically wrong with you entitlement babies.

Didn't you say you were drafted? What has that to do with how smart you are. Though if you were wealthy enough at the time to be going to college, you could avoid the draft.

I wasn't wealthy enough to avoid the draft and had no means of making a living in Canada. Besides, I was taught that military service was an obligation. Actually since you mentioned "smart", it doesn't appear that you are overly intelligent since it is apparent that you are unable to fend for your own self and pay for your own education. I paid for three kids to get college educations, I fail to see how I am somehow responsible for paying for yours.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If something works in another country, it is logical to assume that it would work here too. Now this is where you give me some of your pre French Revolution aristocrat philosophy.

I see, so peasants in rice paddies with coolie hats is bound to be a winner?



Have you ever heard the word "syllogism?"

 

[the_human_being]

If college were free here like it is in some other countries, I would have probably went. Instead, I looked at the possibility of affording a college education about the same as the possibility that I might ever fly to the moon. Most people believe that a college education is good for society in general. If that is the case, wouldn't it be best to improve society in general? Also, as things are, those who aren't wealthy have to go into a deep onerous debt to get a college education. But having a college education is no guarantee of finding a job. After all, from what I hear, China is awash with hordes of unemployed engineers. So anybody going into debt to get a college education here would be taking quite a risk. People here shouldn't have to take such a risk. Especially when the outcome could very likely be inproving society in general.

There is no country in the world where college is free. Buildings, professors, infrastructure have a cost, and the cost will be paid. Shouldn't you at least acknowledge that?

I think what you want is for some government at some level to pay for it, instead of the person receiving the college education. Is there any truth to the saying- people value more what they pay for over that which is free?

A 4 year degree at a typical university can easily exceed $50k or much more. A person truly motivated, but without parents who will pay for their college can find a much cheaper way to the degree, Online classes, community college, work study, etc.

If someone else pays for your education shouldn't they have a say on what you study? If you want to get a degree in Women's Study that will cost $50k, shouldn't you have a plan to pay it back? And if the degree does not provide a reasonable path to enable you to repay the cost, is the degree worth the investment?

There is no right given to citizens in the USA which guarantees a college degree? You don't sound like you were at all motivated to get a degree, but rather would go to college if someone offered to pay. I pay for my kids college. It will cost me over $175k to graduate both of them. They were motivated to go, and my wife and I were very specific on the type of degree we would buy them.

It appears to me we have inflated the cost of a degree by the government loaning money to any 18 year old kid willing to borrow thousands of dollars to attend college. University can charge more because more people want to buy it, many with somebody else's money.

My engineering degree cost less than $17k thirty years ago. My starting salary upon graduating was $21,500 in 1985. The government should not invest tax payer dollars into degrees that don't merit the cost.

What I am saying is that students don't have to pay. What part of that don't you understand. Next, there is something more important at stake than your opinion as to how important sombebody valuing something should be. Which in this case is the difference between having a college education and not having one. After that, you flutter off into dreamland. First, online classes are a joke. Next, survival IS a JOB! If anybody told me that I had to work to survive and at the same time work to get an education, I would tell them to fuck off and die.

Next, as long as what you are trying to get a degree in is of a benifit to society in general, why in the hell would anybody care what you study. After all, how many parents who pay for their childrens education tell them what field they have to go into. Apparently you care. But you don't represent all parents. Next, those who formed the constitution weren't gods. And things can change. If you have the sense that having educated people is a benefit to society in general, then getting a college education if you want one should be a new right.

Next, that is one of the problems with our capitalist society in general. People will tend to take all they can get even if it means screwing other people over to get it. In countries where they have free college education, what teachers and the like are paid is regulated. Some people are just more competient than others and deserve to get a little more. But this is just a tradeoff that you have to accept if you want to maintain a stable, sustainable system. Next, it would appear that your degree merited the cost.

In spite of your pissing and moaning, the truth is no one is responsible for you. Get over it and get off your lazy ass and take care of yourself.

Dog eat dog is the way to go, right?

The way to go is to be responsible for yourself the way most adults do.

 

[hellraiser]

Not that it has ever really existed to any meaningful degree, no, I don't believe in freedom. Next, your reasoning is askew. For example, would Einstein have better used his time with mathematics or being the CEO of the Ford corporation. As for me, you know nothing about me. Who are you to judge.

I believe people excel at what they desire to do as opposed to what they are told to do. If Einstein had wanted to be the CEO of an automobile company instead of a mathematician, he would have probably been a better CEO.

And again, we've identified the problem here... you don't believe in freedom. But you see, that's YOUR problem and not mine. I can know that one detail about you and it explains everything... I can judge you based on that one thing. What's askew is your mind thinking you can dictate things to me. I will fight, and I'm willing to die, for freedom from your tyranny.

Let me tell you something. People are scum. (You lead the way) People actually pay good money to be lied to. Most people are liars. They are especially good at it if money is involved. Most people are criminals. I would get banned if I told you to what degree. So what does that alone tell you. Also, it has been shown that the more well off people are, the more likely they are to be dishonest. Also, I saw a study once that they did with children. At a certain age, they were most likely to accept less of something they valued. As long as it meant that some other child would receive nothing at all. It is probably because of an inbred status thing. Which obviously is something that never completely goes away. Etc. etc. etc.

And you think such people are deserving of "freedom?" Freedom sucks cock! Such as the "freedom" coal companies have to plow off the tops of mountains to get at coal instead of hiring miners. Or the "freedom" oil and gas companies have to do fracking. Which causes much pollution and even causes earthquakes. In 20 to 50 years, when most of the life on the planet is extinct, you can tell me more about your precious freedom, sucker. I will show you a picture of the only person in recent history who has really had his shit together. I wonder what you will make of it.

 

[hellraiser]

I can say this for you. You go to some lengths to show how stupid you are. Maybe you would like to try another documentary. It's called "The Corporation."

And you can go sit on a very sharp object and spin!

No... I will not be watching your socialist propaganda films.

I see, you prefer capitalist, jewish supreamacist propaganda films.

 

[hellraiser]

If something works in another country, it is logical to assume that it would work here too. Now this is where you give me some of your pre French Revolution aristocrat philosophy.

I see, so peasants in rice paddies with coolie hats is bound to be a winner?



Have you ever heard the word "syllogism?"

Is that the best you have? To say stupid shit? I'm not talking about pesants in rice paddies. I'm talking about college education being as "free" as a high school education. Such as college being free in France. And who knows how many other developed countries that are superior to the U.S. in that regard.

 

[Boss]

I see, you prefer capitalist, jewish supreamacist propaganda films.

Ahh... as usual... the Jew-hater in you comes out!

 

[hellraiser]

If college were free here like it is in some other countries, I would have probably went. Instead, I looked at the possibility of affording a college education about the same as the possibility that I might ever fly to the moon. Most people believe that a college education is good for society in general. If that is the case, wouldn't it be best to improve society in general? Also, as things are, those who aren't wealthy have to go into a deep onerous debt to get a college education. But having a college education is no guarantee of finding a job. After all, from what I hear, China is awash with hordes of unemployed engineers. So anybody going into debt to get a college education here would be taking quite a risk. People here shouldn't have to take such a risk. Especially when the outcome could very likely be inproving society in general.

There is no country in the world where college is free. Buildings, professors, infrastructure have a cost, and the cost will be paid. Shouldn't you at least acknowledge that?

I think what you want is for some government at some level to pay for it, instead of the person receiving the college education. Is there any truth to the saying- people value more what they pay for over that which is free?

A 4 year degree at a typical university can easily exceed $50k or much more. A person truly motivated, but without parents who will pay for their college can find a much cheaper way to the degree, Online classes, community college, work study, etc.

If someone else pays for your education shouldn't they have a say on what you study? If you want to get a degree in Women's Study that will cost $50k, shouldn't you have a plan to pay it back? And if the degree does not provide a reasonable path to enable you to repay the cost, is the degree worth the investment?

There is no right given to citizens in the USA which guarantees a college degree? You don't sound like you were at all motivated to get a degree, but rather would go to college if someone offered to pay. I pay for my kids college. It will cost me over $175k to graduate both of them. They were motivated to go, and my wife and I were very specific on the type of degree we would buy them.

It appears to me we have inflated the cost of a degree by the government loaning money to any 18 year old kid willing to borrow thousands of dollars to attend college. University can charge more because more people want to buy it, many with somebody else's money.

My engineering degree cost less than $17k thirty years ago. My starting salary upon graduating was $21,500 in 1985. The government should not invest tax payer dollars into degrees that don't merit the cost.

What I am saying is that students don't have to pay. What part of that don't you understand. Next, there is something more important at stake than your opinion as to how important sombebody valuing something should be. Which in this case is the difference between having a college education and not having one. After that, you flutter off into dreamland. First, online classes are a joke. Next, survival IS a JOB! If anybody told me that I had to work to survive and at the same time work to get an education, I would tell them to fuck off and die.

Next, as long as what you are trying to get a degree in is of a benifit to society in general, why in the hell would anybody care what you study. After all, how many parents who pay for their childrens education tell them what field they have to go into. Apparently you care. But you don't represent all parents. Next, those who formed the constitution weren't gods. And things can change. If you have the sense that having educated people is a benefit to society in general, then getting a college education if you want one should be a new right.

Next, that is one of the problems with our capitalist society in general. People will tend to take all they can get even if it means screwing other people over to get it. In countries where they have free college education, what teachers and the like are paid is regulated. Some people are just more competient than others and deserve to get a little more. But this is just a tradeoff that you have to accept if you want to maintain a stable, sustainable system. Next, it would appear that your degree merited the cost.

In spite of your pissing and moaning, the truth is no one is responsible for you. Get over it and get off your lazy ass and take care of yourself.

Dog eat dog is the way to go, right?

The way to go is to be responsible for yourself the way most adults do.

I see. It IS dog eat dog that you prefer.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Is that the best you have? To say stupid shit? I'm not talking about pesants in rice paddies. I'm talking about college education being as "free" as a high school education. Such as college being free in France. And who knows how many other developed countries that are superior to the U.S. in that regard.

You moronically claimed that anything which works in one country, will work in another. Cambodia has millions of peasants in rice paddies, so that must be the ticket.

Pretty fucking stupid, but that does seem to be your forte'.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I see. It IS dog eat dog that you prefer.

Why don't you treat us all to your idea of what "dog eat dog" means?

Standard Disclaimer: A leftist literally promoting an anti-dog eat dog bill, as life again imitates fiction...

 

[hellraiser]

I see, you prefer capitalist, jewish supreamacist propaganda films.

Ahh... as usual... the Jew-hater in you comes out!

A lie hater is the same thing as a jew hater. Because most of them are liars. Look at the film "Schindler's List." I'll bet you watched that one. It won the academy award for best picture and is called a true story. But the book that it was based on was a work of fiction. In looking it up, they said that it was only LOOSLY (that is just how they spelled "loosely) based on actual events. And even then, those "actual events" would depend on the holocaust being as it is generally believed to have been. But even that was largely a fraud.

 

[the_human_being]

There is no country in the world where college is free. Buildings, professors, infrastructure have a cost, and the cost will be paid. Shouldn't you at least acknowledge that?

I think what you want is for some government at some level to pay for it, instead of the person receiving the college education. Is there any truth to the saying- people value more what they pay for over that which is free?

A 4 year degree at a typical university can easily exceed $50k or much more. A person truly motivated, but without parents who will pay for their college can find a much cheaper way to the degree, Online classes, community college, work study, etc.

If someone else pays for your education shouldn't they have a say on what you study? If you want to get a degree in Women's Study that will cost $50k, shouldn't you have a plan to pay it back? And if the degree does not provide a reasonable path to enable you to repay the cost, is the degree worth the investment?

There is no right given to citizens in the USA which guarantees a college degree? You don't sound like you were at all motivated to get a degree, but rather would go to college if someone offered to pay. I pay for my kids college. It will cost me over $175k to graduate both of them. They were motivated to go, and my wife and I were very specific on the type of degree we would buy them.

It appears to me we have inflated the cost of a degree by the government loaning money to any 18 year old kid willing to borrow thousands of dollars to attend college. University can charge more because more people want to buy it, many with somebody else's money.

My engineering degree cost less than $17k thirty years ago. My starting salary upon graduating was $21,500 in 1985. The government should not invest tax payer dollars into degrees that don't merit the cost.

What I am saying is that students don't have to pay. What part of that don't you understand. Next, there is something more important at stake than your opinion as to how important sombebody valuing something should be. Which in this case is the difference between having a college education and not having one. After that, you flutter off into dreamland. First, online classes are a joke. Next, survival IS a JOB! If anybody told me that I had to work to survive and at the same time work to get an education, I would tell them to fuck off and die.

Next, as long as what you are trying to get a degree in is of a benifit to society in general, why in the hell would anybody care what you study. After all, how many parents who pay for their childrens education tell them what field they have to go into. Apparently you care. But you don't represent all parents. Next, those who formed the constitution weren't gods. And things can change. If you have the sense that having educated people is a benefit to society in general, then getting a college education if you want one should be a new right.

Next, that is one of the problems with our capitalist society in general. People will tend to take all they can get even if it means screwing other people over to get it. In countries where they have free college education, what teachers and the like are paid is regulated. Some people are just more competient than others and deserve to get a little more. But this is just a tradeoff that you have to accept if you want to maintain a stable, sustainable system. Next, it would appear that your degree merited the cost.

In spite of your pissing and moaning, the truth is no one is responsible for you. Get over it and get off your lazy ass and take care of yourself.

Dog eat dog is the way to go, right?

The way to go is to be responsible for yourself the way most adults do.

I see. It IS dog eat dog that you prefer.

You are far more intelligent than I, that is plain to see. I got a college degree and ran a very successful business for thirty-five years. I sent my kids to college and now they are running the business I built. Please continue to tell us how intelligent you are. Perhaps you might consider penning a sign and panhandling alongside the roadway in your zeal for wanting someone else to pay your way.