M14 says Jesus advocates lawlessness

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    Well, not in so many words, but he does claim that Jesus would oppose anything that undermines the Christian principle of free will. And of course that includes all laws and all institutions that enact and enforce law.

    I never would've pegged Jesus for a lawless anarchist, but M14 Shooter makes a compelling case.
     
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    "The Greatest single cause of Atheism in the world today are Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

    Brennan Manning
     
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    What a load of crap.

    What pisses off secular progressives is that Christians don't conform to THEIR ideas of what CHristians should act like.

    They don't like Christians. It isn't that Christians DO anything, except enrage them by being.
     
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    Is that the best you've got?

    Not surprising. At least M14 knows well enough to leave this one alone since it proves how totally wrong he is in the Jesus was a commie thread.

    You can't have it both ways.
     
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    Case in point. Thank you.
     
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    What makes you think he's a secular progressive?
     
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    Speaking as a secular humanist I don't care what Christians get up to as long as it doesn't break the law (eg praying instead of getting urgent medical attention for an extremely sick child).
     
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    It's not my quote, baba. do some research instead of hoping your faith in a ghost makes you right. You clearly don't have a grasp on history, letalone the history of your own dogma, making statements like that.

    Far be it for me to remind you that even your bible mentions the prevelance of false christianity. Your performance in the charity thread, blindly and automatically backing up m14 without nary the slightest effort in quoting scripture, makes my point.

    I don't really care if you spit the word "secular progressive" out of your mouth like it could sour your soul any more than it already is. Jebus didn't act like you do. He didn't justify bullshit by thumping religious traditions and he sure as fuck didn't tell his flock to go around judging everyone and using his word like a club. so, cry about evil atheists all you want to... but it was a christian that made the quote above.

    and he was spot on.
     
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    I know it's not your quote. Your point? That if it isn't yours, it must be right? I'm afraid that's not so, though it happens often enough it must seem so.


    Once again, more blather based upon false premise. My soul isn't sour, I'm not teaching false Christianity, I didn't say anything about "evil" atheists, and you have even less insight into what Jesus would want from us than most.

    Really, to hear you whine about me "judging" people. If it wasn't so sad, it might be sort of...well, no, not even then. Look at the filth you spread around. If that isn't judgement, then obviously you don't have a firm hold on what the word means. All of your most rabid arguments are based on inaccurate judgement and condemnation of those who don't agree with you.

    You can't stick to the topic, all you can do is make outlandish claims, which you base all of your tripe on.

    It's a house of cards.

    I recommend that you go back on your meds, Shogun, and re-up as a moderator. At least you made sense then.
     
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    What's to leave alone? What did Jesus do? He walked around the countryside basically calling on the people to follow Him, and listen to Him, and not the religious rulers (Pharisees) of the Jewish state. He amended the word of God and told his followers and listeners that his was the correct version where it came into conflict with the Jewish church.

    He does however say to render unto Caesar what is his. I've always understood that to mean to obey Man's law. He did not however say one has to agree with Man's law.

    Put into the context of the US, today, there are a LOT of absolutely stupid laws. I assume being the intellectual instigator that you are that you do not agree with them all?

    The ones that don't affect us we ignore. The one's that could affect us we skirt. We chafe at the ones we don't agree with but obey anyway. That, IMO, would be exercising free will.

    Blindly believing either all laws are good because they are laws or all laws are bad because they are laws would be practicing the sheeple mentality.
     
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