Looks like Obama was correct about Benghazi

[LoneLaugher]

There were no orders to stand down.

Correct.

Of course most on the partisan right will attempt to keep this lie alive, ignoring the facts.

There may not have been an order to stand down, but there wasn't an order to go where the shooting is either. That is what soldiers do when Americans are being shot at!

There are several days in the year where troops should be on high alert and 9/11 is one of those days. That would take some leadership from the Oval office.

Have you read the Senate report?

If you have, why are you STILL saying things that are just not true? In what fantasy universe do you live? To say that no order was given to go where the shooting is.......is to say something that is in no way accurate.

Just stop.

 

[Decus]

If Obama was correct regarding Benghazi, when did he say insufficient effort was made to prepare for increased risk of attack?

The SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE delivered certain findings in their report. Here is their 2nd finding which can be found starting at the bottom of page 11 (reading pages 12 through 20 states just how much warning there was, causing the CIA annex in Benghazi to make numerous upgrades to their security prior to the attack).

From page 11 of the report:

"FINDING #2:
The State Department should have increased its security posture
more significantly in Benghazi based on the deteriorating security situation on the ground and IC threat reporting on the prior attacks against Westerners in Benghazi – including two incidents at the Temporary Mission Facility on April 6 and June 6, 2012."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/benghazi.pdf

 

[LoneLaugher]

If Obama was correct regarding Benghazi, when did he say insufficient effort was made to prepare for increased risk of attack?

The SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE delivered certain findings in their report. Here is their 2nd finding which can be found starting at the bottom of page 11 (reading pages 12 through 20 states just how much warning there was, causing the CIA annex in Benghazi to make numerous upgrades to their security prior to the attack).

From page 11 of the report:

"FINDING #2:
The State Department should have increased its security posture
more significantly in Benghazi based on the deteriorating security situation on the ground and IC threat reporting on the prior attacks against Westerners in Benghazi – including two incidents at the Temporary Mission Facility on April 6 and June 6, 2012."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/benghazi.pdf

You think he said otherwise?

I am not going to search for it....but I am pretty sure that both he and Sec. Clinton have commented regarding there was a lack of adequate security there.

You fuckers are persistent, if nothing else.

 

[Decus]

If Obama was correct regarding Benghazi, when did he say insufficient effort was made to prepare for increased risk of attack?

The SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE delivered certain findings in their report. Here is their 2nd finding which can be found starting at the bottom of page 11 (reading pages 12 through 20 states just how much warning there was, causing the CIA annex in Benghazi to make numerous upgrades to their security prior to the attack).

From page 11 of the report:

"FINDING #2:
The State Department should have increased its security posture
more significantly in Benghazi based on the deteriorating security situation on the ground and IC threat reporting on the prior attacks against Westerners in Benghazi – including two incidents at the Temporary Mission Facility on April 6 and June 6, 2012."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/benghazi.pdf

You think he said otherwise?

I am not going to search for it....but I am pretty sure that both he and Sec. Clinton have commented regarding there was a lack of adequate security there.

You fuckers are persistent, if nothing else.

Are you saying that they failed to act on a known risk? Looking at the Senate report it is clear that the risk was known months before the attack. In fact the CIA annex in Benghazi acted on the same information and made improvements to their security. Why was nothing done for the Ambassador?

 

[LoneLaugher]

If Obama was correct regarding Benghazi, when did he say insufficient effort was made to prepare for increased risk of attack?

The SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE delivered certain findings in their report. Here is their 2nd finding which can be found starting at the bottom of page 11 (reading pages 12 through 20 states just how much warning there was, causing the CIA annex in Benghazi to make numerous upgrades to their security prior to the attack).

From page 11 of the report:

"FINDING #2:
The State Department should have increased its security posture
more significantly in Benghazi based on the deteriorating security situation on the ground and IC threat reporting on the prior attacks against Westerners in Benghazi – including two incidents at the Temporary Mission Facility on April 6 and June 6, 2012."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/benghazi.pdf

You think he said otherwise?

I am not going to search for it....but I am pretty sure that both he and Sec. Clinton have commented regarding there was a lack of adequate security there.

You fuckers are persistent, if nothing else.

Are you saying that they failed to act on a known risk? Looking at the Senate report it is clear that the risk was known months before the attack. In fact the CIA annex in Benghazi acted on the same information and made improvements to their security. Why was nothing done for the Ambassador?

There was a failure to secure the place. That is obvious. The investigation resulted in proposals to TRY to insure that it is not repeated. The report goes into detail on the "why". And the answer does not point to the POTUS. Nor does it point to a dereliction of duty on behalf of Sec. Clinton.

What sucks is your thirst for political blood. You will squeeze this for every drop because you are fucking crazy.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Because somebody asked him to.

Ever been in that situation yourself? Having to depend on the President to back you up when you need it?

I have. With Obama in the WhiteHouse help is pretty far away. I felt pretty much the same when the Clintons were in office.

Democrat presidents are known for abandoning our own. Kennedy in the Bay of Pigs, Johnson in Vietnam, Carter in the Iranian Hostage Crisis, Obama in Benghazi...

So when President Obama was informed the Consulate had been attacked what did he say again? Was it "Abandon Ship", "Run Away" or something?

Or, was something like ordering his commanders to do everything possible to save American lives?

Well it appeared not to have effected Obama's scheduled fund raising efforts in Las Vegas, but then every President has their priorities. Yet at the same time liberals are to find President Bush's judgment questionable, for not leaving a classroom surrounded by young children in response to the World Trade Center attacks in New York?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Democrat presidents are known for abandoning our own. Kennedy in the Bay of Pigs, Johnson in Vietnam, Carter in the Iranian Hostage Crisis, Obama in Benghazi...

So when President Obama was informed the Consulate had been attacked what did he say again? Was it "Abandon Ship", "Run Away" or something?

Or, was something like ordering his commanders to do everything possible to save American lives?

Well it appeared not to have effected Obama's scheduled fund raising efforts in Las Vegas, but then every President has their priorities. Yet at the same time liberals are to find President Bush's judgment questionable, for not leaving a classroom surrounded by young children in response to the World Trade Center attacks in New York?

[MENTION=36327]TheGreatGatsby[/MENTION]

It is a daily thing, bro. It just never stops.

 

[JoeB131]

If Obama was correct regarding Benghazi, when did he say insufficient effort was made to prepare for increased risk of attack?

The SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE delivered certain findings in their report. Here is their 2nd finding which can be found starting at the bottom of page 11 (reading pages 12 through 20 states just how much warning there was, causing the CIA annex in Benghazi to make numerous upgrades to their security prior to the attack).

From page 11 of the report:

"FINDING #2:
The State Department should have increased its security posture
more significantly in Benghazi based on the deteriorating security situation on the ground and IC threat reporting on the prior attacks against Westerners in Benghazi – including two incidents at the Temporary Mission Facility on April 6 and June 6, 2012."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/benghazi.pdf

You think he said otherwise?

I am not going to search for it....but I am pretty sure that both he and Sec. Clinton have commented regarding there was a lack of adequate security there.

You fuckers are persistent, if nothing else.

Are you saying that they failed to act on a known risk? Looking at the Senate report it is clear that the risk was known months before the attack. In fact the CIA annex in Benghazi acted on the same information and made improvements to their security. Why was nothing done for the Ambassador?

The ambassador didn't work out of Benghazi, he was just visiting that day.

Look, hindsight is always 20/20.

And what is pretty clear is that a lot of these agencies didn't talk to each other. State didn't know that the CIA had operations in Benghazi, etc.

 

[JoeB131]

Democrat presidents are known for abandoning our own. Kennedy in the Bay of Pigs, Johnson in Vietnam, Carter in the Iranian Hostage Crisis, Obama in Benghazi...

So when President Obama was informed the Consulate had been attacked what did he say again? Was it "Abandon Ship", "Run Away" or something?

Or, was something like ordering his commanders to do everything possible to save American lives?

Well it appeared not to have effected Obama's scheduled fund raising efforts in Las Vegas, but then every President has their priorities. Yet at the same time liberals are to find President Bush's judgment questionable, for not leaving a classroom surrounded by young children in response to the World Trade Center attacks in New York?

Well, I think continuing to do a photo op in the middle of an ongoing attack was kind of silly.

So was saying, "Well, you've covered your ass" to the CIA breifer who told him Bin Laden was determined to strike at the US with airplanes.

But, hey, let's give Bush passes on thousands of deaths while harping on Obama over four.

 

[Decus]

You think he said otherwise?

I am not going to search for it....but I am pretty sure that both he and Sec. Clinton have commented regarding there was a lack of adequate security there.

You fuckers are persistent, if nothing else.

Are you saying that they failed to act on a known risk? Looking at the Senate report it is clear that the risk was known months before the attack. In fact the CIA annex in Benghazi acted on the same information and made improvements to their security. Why was nothing done for the Ambassador?

There was a failure to secure the place. That is obvious. The investigation resulted in proposals to TRY to insure that it is not repeated. The report goes into detail on the "why". And the answer does not point to the POTUS. Nor does it point to a dereliction of duty on behalf of Sec. Clinton.

What sucks is your thirst for political blood. You will squeeze this for every drop because you are fucking crazy.

Incredible. Do you realize that it was at the very least an act of negligence and possibly incompetence that led to the tragedy in Benghazi? From the same report:

"In the months prior to the attack, Ambassador Stevens and other State Department officials in Libya outlined concerns via cables to State Department headquarters about the security of the Mission compound
in Benghazi and made several requests for additional security resources."
page 14

Repeated requests were ignored!

Obviously some departments had better leadership than others:

"In contrast, the CIA, in response to the same deteriorating security
situation and IC threat reporting, consistently upgraded its security posture over the same time period."
page 17

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/benghazi.pdf

 

[Antares]

Mrs. Roby.

The President and the principals
discussed specific measures we are takirig in the homeland to prevent
9/11 related attacks, as well as the steps taken to protect U.S. persons
and facilities abroad as well as force protection.The President
reiterated the departments and agencies must do everything possible
to protect the American people both at home and abroad."

We cannot lay this at the feet of our Boi KIng (not directly)

 

[Antares]

Mr. Conaway.

Did he receive an order to not go from anybody in
your chain of command?

General Ham.

He did not.

We cannot lay this at the feet of ANYONE in the chain of command.

 

[Antares]

General Ham.

I know now
that Lieutenant Colonel Gibson requested approval to move to Benghazi
in the morning of the 12th. And it is understandable to me why he would
want to do that. What military people want to do is move to the sound
of the guns.The decision was no_, you have a mission in Tripoli.

 

[Antares]

[BMs. Tsongas.][/B]

To what degree are you
aware of had Lieutenant Colonel Gibson's request been granted) who would
have been left protecting the embassy in Tripoli?

General Ham.

Essentially no one) ma'am) other than the country
team staff) which is I think the primary rationale for the decision
to direct Lieutenant Colonel Gibson to remain in place.

......I think that was an absolutely vital role for them to have perform in Tripoli.Had they boarded the aircraft and flown to Benghazi) thelikelihood is that actually they probably would have passed in the air
with Lieutenant Colonel Gibson and his team headed to Benghazi with
the aircraft with most of the evacuees, to I
nclude those who had been
wounded coming back to Tripoli.

 

[Antares]

There would have been no one -- no
one well trained, certainly not as well trained as Lieutenant Colonel
Gibson and his team to receive them upon arrival.

Ms. Tsongas.

So essentially the order was to divert this desire
to be helpful to staying in Tripoli to greet those who were coming back
among that that them some injured, and so that they could also be sure
we were adequately protecting those staying still in Tripoli.

They were ordered to remain in place to help with the wounded coming in from Benghazi, that makes sense.

 

[Antares]

Here is what we have from the declassified materials.....

Obama knew within minutes that it was a terror attack and that it was not connected to the video.

Obama gave the order to ANYTHING necessary to protect out people...

Colonel Gibson saddled up his men to get to Benghazi to help BUT was ordered to "remain" in place so that his men could help tend to the wounded coming to Tripoli from Benghazi.

THAT was ordered by Admiral Lohse.

 

[Antares]

That leaves us with the security force....it was reduced on August 3rd, nobody seems to know why exactly. There were NO requests for more security between August 3rd and Sept 11th.

Nobody seems to know why the Security Team was reduced either.

 

[blackhawk]

 

[S.J.]

Pass the buck is right. That's all this administration does, they take responsibility for nothing. Nothing is ever their fault.

 

[depotoo]

Pass the buck is right. That's all this administration does, they take responsibility for nothing. Nothing is ever their fault.

Nor anyone in it.