Lie by Lie: A Timeline of How We Got Into Iraq

[daveman]

Yeah, they poo poo Nation building..

I guess we should be like Obama and help take out a dictator of a country and then just leave them to the savages who rush in..

"Savages"??

You mean.....The Marketplace???

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chXjCtkymRQ]US Troops in Iraq talk about Halliburton & KBR - YouTube[/ame]​

Seriously folks...

Does this information not outrage any of the RWers? Any Republicans on here are outraged by this?

This is wanton waste!

This totally DWARFS anything the Education system is doing/spending. Dwarfs anything the government unions are doing/spending.

Where. is. your. outrage RWers?

You folks should want to burn down and tear down Halliburton limb by limb.

I have Shaman and his eye vomit on ignore.

But I see the usual leftist propensity to mindless violence is alive and well in you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

But this guy isn't on your list is he? The one who got it exactly right:

October 2002 Barack Obama's 2002 Speech Against the Iraq War

Illinois State senator

The Federal Plaza in Chicago

Oh, you mean the guy who said the surge wasn't working even as it was. The same guy you're giving credit for winning the war he opposed, for getting the troops out according to Bush's timeline.

The surge didn't work. The turnaround in Iraq was brought about by the Sunni Awakening, that began in 2006, six months to a year before the surge even happened. Even Petraeus admitted that.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ahhh. So you make a claim about me, and as your proof, point to your wishful thinking.



Face it, kid. Obama had nothing to do with the withdrawal from Iraq.

So you deny ever criticizing anyone for wanting a timetable for withdrawal? I notice you don't actually deny it? Why not?

So, you're bitterly clinging to the notion that Art's wishful thinking is proof.

No. I don't know what your position is. For some strange reason you have a penchant for refusing to clearly and concisely state your positions on issues, even while you're discussing them.

 

[NYcarbineer]

But this guy isn't on your list is he? The one who got it exactly right:

October 2002 Barack Obama's 2002 Speech Against the Iraq War

Illinois State senator

The Federal Plaza in Chicago

Oh, you mean the guy who said the surge wasn't working even as it was. The same guy you're giving credit for winning the war he opposed, for getting the troops out according to Bush's timeline.

So all the Republicans who are attacking Obama for carrying out the 'Bush timeline' are full of shit?

Another position for you to refuse to take.

 

[Article 15]

So you deny ever criticizing anyone for wanting a timetable for withdrawal? I notice you don't actually deny it? Why not?

So, you're bitterly clinging to the notion that Art's wishful thinking is proof.

No. I don't know what your position is. For some strange reason you have a penchant for refusing to clearly and concisely state your positions on issues, even while you're discussing them.

Daveman is rightwingnut talking points machine, especially when it comes to Iraq. There's no way in the world he wasn't against timetables (up until the "time horizons" of course) and there's no way in the world he wasn't attacking libs for wanting them back in the day.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Whooops, my first time here for the year and didn't stop to read any other threads. Excellent thread.

.....Except (as would be expected) for lil' Staph....

I finally put them on ignore..First and only person..works wonders.

.....who prefers to close-her-eyes.....and, hopes it goes away (like a good, lil' "conservative").....until it happens, again, in another 20 years....

“Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
— American philosopher George Santayana

 

[NYcarbineer]

But this guy isn't on your list is he? The one who got it exactly right:

October 2002 Barack Obama's 2002 Speech Against the Iraq War

Illinois State senator

The Federal Plaza in Chicago

Oh, you mean the guy who said the surge wasn't working even as it was. The same guy you're giving credit for winning the war he opposed, for getting the troops out according to Bush's timeline.

If enough people had agreed with Obama in 2002, there wouldn't have been any surge to debate, because there wouldn't have been any war.

 

[daveman]

But this guy isn't on your list is he? The one who got it exactly right:

October 2002 Barack Obama's 2002 Speech Against the Iraq War

Illinois State senator

The Federal Plaza in Chicago

Oh, you mean the guy who said the surge wasn't working even as it was. The same guy you're giving credit for winning the war he opposed, for getting the troops out according to Bush's timeline.

The surge didn't work. The turnaround in Iraq was brought about by the Sunni Awakening, that began in 2006, six months to a year before the surge even happened. Even Petraeus admitted that.

Yes, the surge in Iraq failed so badly, Obama ordered one for Afghanistan.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

TIMELINE: Lie by Lie: A Timeline of How We Got Into Iraq | Mother Jones

Whooops, my first time here for the year and didn't stop to read any other threads. Excellent thread.

Keep reading. They left a lot of stuff out. You know, stuff that didn't fit their agenda.

Yeah......we heard that, from "conservatives".....for eight years.....

 

[daveman]

So you deny ever criticizing anyone for wanting a timetable for withdrawal? I notice you don't actually deny it? Why not?

So, you're bitterly clinging to the notion that Art's wishful thinking is proof.

No. I don't know what your position is. For some strange reason you have a penchant for refusing to clearly and concisely state your positions on issues, even while you're discussing them.

Tissue?

 

[daveman]

But this guy isn't on your list is he? The one who got it exactly right:

October 2002 Barack Obama's 2002 Speech Against the Iraq War

Illinois State senator

The Federal Plaza in Chicago

Oh, you mean the guy who said the surge wasn't working even as it was. The same guy you're giving credit for winning the war he opposed, for getting the troops out according to Bush's timeline.

So all the Republicans who are attacking Obama for carrying out the 'Bush timeline' are full of shit?

Another position for you to refuse to take.

Just highlighting your hypocrisy. I understand why that makes you lash out.

 

[daveman]

So, you're bitterly clinging to the notion that Art's wishful thinking is proof.

No. I don't know what your position is. For some strange reason you have a penchant for refusing to clearly and concisely state your positions on issues, even while you're discussing them.

Daveman is rightwingnut talking points machine, especially when it comes to Iraq. There's no way in the world he wasn't against timetables (up until the "time horizons" of course) and there's no way in the world he wasn't attacking libs for wanting them back in the day.

There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

 

[daveman]

But this guy isn't on your list is he? The one who got it exactly right:

October 2002 Barack Obama's 2002 Speech Against the Iraq War

Illinois State senator

The Federal Plaza in Chicago

Oh, you mean the guy who said the surge wasn't working even as it was. The same guy you're giving credit for winning the war he opposed, for getting the troops out according to Bush's timeline.

If enough people had agreed with Obama in 2002, there wouldn't have been any surge to debate, because there wouldn't have been any war.

Oh, boy, another "Obama Saves The World" hypothetical.

If Obama had been on board the Titanic, he'd have steered it around the iceberg.

If Obama had known Hitler's mother, he'd have talked her into aborting Adolph.

If Obama had been elected President, "the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

You guys believe your own bullshit.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Keep mind, after the fact,

virtually every member of the Bush administration said invading Iraq was a good idea even if they had KNOWN there were no WMD's.

It's called.......

ALLOWING THE MARKETPLACE
TO REGULATE ITSELF

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHGCZC6EQs]Iraq War Profiteers: Part 1 of 2 - YouTube[/ame]
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[whitehall]

Is this piece of left wing junk propaganda still floating around? You almost gotta laugh when left wing democrats take a page from John Kerry's playbook with "we unauthorized the conflict in Iraq after we authorized it".

 

[JimH52]

And to complete Bush's plan, when Iraq and Iran become buddies, Obama will get the blame. Saddam was slug, but when we took him out, the Iranians greatest threat was gone.

THANK YOU GW!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Keep mind, after the fact,

virtually every member of the Bush administration said invading Iraq was a good idea even if they had KNOWN there were no WMD's.

Keep in mind, after the fact, that Democrats kept on voting to fund the war even after no WMD were found.

Yeah......that's what happened.

All-of-a-sudden, Lil' Dumbya was THE FIRST President....who WASN'T responsible for "everything that happened, during his watch".....unlike Bill Clinton.

September 1, 2009

CSIS​

"In the Iraq War, the United States threw enough money at the conflict to largely defeat the insurgency, although the ultimate outcome is still unclear. It did so, however, without developing coherent budgets and long term funding profiles, and without any clear effort to develop the kind of consistent and well-managed programs that could have reduced the cost of the war and improved the effectiveness of US forces – hence the continued reliance on supplementals.

In the case of the Afghan War, the United States underfunded the conflict to the point where it risked defeat. In spite of significant allied contributions, the Afghan War has received less outside funding than the Iraq War. Costs for Operation Enduring Freedom have risen dramatically since FY2006 as troop levels and the intensity of conflict have grown, but expenditures have been three times higher on Iraq to date.

The Bush Administration simply did not fund the war it had to fight. As Figure III illustrates, it was only in FY2009, some seven years after the war in Afghanistan became a major US strategic commitment, when the US began to fund the war seriously. At a minimum, American underresourcing allowed the Taliban to recover and seize the initiative, and al-Qaida to create a new sanctuary in Pakistan. The end result is that the cost of salvaging victory – if this is still possible – will be an order of magnitude higher than it should have been – both in dollars and body bags.

The end result is that President Obama must now deal with two badly managed and budgeted wars. In the case of Iraq, he must deal with the withdrawal of US combat forces from a war with no clear plan or funding for making the transition to a civilian-dominated nation building effort or supporting the development of Iraqi security forces. It the case of Afghanistan, he must either make unpopular and costly decisions to compensate for seven crippling years of underresourcing the war, or risk losing it."

Keep shootin' those blanks, daveman.​

 

[JimH52]

Republicans from McCain on down will have us back in Iraq if they gain the Presidency. McCain has stated on the Senate floor as much.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I find several dates and events in the OP TIMELINE very interesting, including the following:

Nov. 2000 Future Chief Justice John Roberts flies to Florida to advise Jeb Bush during recount.

Hell.....if there's anyone who knows how the game'$ played....it's the BU$H BRO$!!​

"It's not just that one or two of Bush's deals look funky; every major business deal he has been involved with included wealthy supporters of his father, and many of those investors later received favorable treatment from either the federal government under Bush, Sr. or the current Texas administration of Junior."

Play-For-Pay; By BU$HCO​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Funny how those hack douchebags at Mother Jones fail to mention the 1991 war, Clintoon keeping the Bush 41 policy 100% in place - to the point of lobbing cruise missiles into Baghdad when he needed to get his zipper off of the front page- and only briefly touched on the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act.

Nor do they mention the fact that the Senate democratics demanded to have a second vote in 2002, in advance of the elections, so they could say "meetooomeetoo" and jump on the war bandwagon.

Strangely, they chose to pad out the propaganda with entirely irrelevant events like Ken Lay getting convicted and the attempted Hugo Chavez coup.

Nope....It's ALL the fault of GEORGE BOOOOOOOOOOSH!

Lies of omission and obfuscation are lies nonetheless, party man hack.

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Lies that the Senate democratics who demanded the 2002 vote and those who went along with the 1998 bill lived, right up until it became convenient for them to not do so.[/QUOTE]
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