I think our debates will get much better if we simply set the record on some issues. Lets start: Liberals, would you submit to the following Big Socialism in America if it were offered tomorrow: - ALL citizens pay will be taxed a flat rate of 60%, all business pays same rate. - 40% of that will go federal, 20% state, to fund government programs. - Reduced rent housing will be provided for all non home owners. - Healthcare will be paid for 100%. Submit your claim at hospital, response will ensue. - Government food cards will be issued for all who net <$30,000 (18K goes to tax). - Government school will be free to all US residents. - Our borders will remain open. So thats it libs. 60% of your money goes to gov't. But, food, house, education, healthcare is guaranteed, funded and run by gov't. The rest is up to you. Would you accept it?