lets see how the gun control dems handle this

[BULLDOG]

I don't know why they were surprised by the turn out, them dems loves thay free stuff.

It is proof that those who don't support gun rights have never been in a situation where they wish they had one.

You realize that wanting reasonable restrictions isn't the same as wanting to do away with all guns don't you?

We have plenty of reasonable restrictions now.
And there are plenty of people that do in fact want to disarm the people.claiming otherwise is willfull ignorance.

I never said there weren't some fringe people who have dumb ideas on both sides. I only said wanting reasonable restrictions is not the same as wanting to ban all guns. Universal background checks would be perfectly reasonable.

No, they wouldn't.....they require average citizens to be cops....they require normal gun owners to pay extra to sell private, legal property, and will make it harder for poor people to exercise their 2nd Amendment right...and that is against the 14th Amendment....

We can arrest any felon that buys a gun....we can arrest anyone who uses a gun to commit a crime.....

Tell us...which mass shooting, including Orlando, would have been stopped by a universal background check....

Which criminals can't get guns because of current background checks.....

Yes, you always fall back to your same list of talking points that we have already been discussed and discredited countless times. It's clear that facts mean nothing to you, so I have no more desire to convince you of something you refuse to consider. Enjoy being a gun nut, but you should know that this particular situation will not turn out good for you. The country disagrees with you, and it's just a matter of time before the NRA control of politicians will fail.They can't continue to block what 90% of the country wants forever.

 

[Skull Pilot]

it should be taught in the schools

Wherever

You should prove you are trained before you can buy a gun

it should be taught in the public schools

each and every child that attends a public school should

receive firearms training

Or else we could only teach those who are interested in owning guns

Many states require some sort of training class

Every state should

Should would could

Still doesn't stop anyone from taking a gun safety course does it?
Anyone who has never shot should take at least a basic NRA safety course.

 

[OKTexas]

How many, give me a number with a link.

How the hell should I know? If an under aged kid wants alcohol bad enough, he will get some, but we still check his ID before he can buy. If he had a source that could legally sell him alcohol without any obligation to check his Id, a lot more kids would be getting drunk. Any individual legally selling guns without a background check makes it a lot easier for someone who shouldn't have a gun to get one.

Oh OK, you want to pass a law with no idea how it could be enforced, and that makes sense to you?

How and why would it be enforced any differently than any other law?

OK, a gun changes hands, no background check, both say it was done before the law, how do you prove it didn't?

Are you assuming that the vast majority of law abiding citizens will not follow the law?

Sure they will, just like they follow speed laws. Why do you ignore the fact that the vast majority of private sales are to people known to the seller? And you didn't answer my question.

 

[2aguy]

Nothing in your post would stop mass shooters or criminals or straw buyers from getting guns......

You are a fucking liar punk.
By you own words, criminals are buying guns in a gun store. They, by you own words are mostly under 30. If you can't buy a gun because you are under 30, guess fucking what you damned idiot. They won't have that gun.


Is the best idea you have to reduce needless gun violence to buy more guns? Fuck you.

Asswipe......criminals will just get straw buyers who are 30......did you fall on your head moron...because you post like you did......they get their grandmothers to buy their guns for them.....moron....

2aguy- I like your post and agree with them, but please refrain from calling posters like Wilbur "moron". It is insulting to those of us who self-identify as morons to be associated with the likes of that guy. Assswipe, douchbag, brain dead retard, or drooling imbecile should be used instead.

I will take your suggestion under and give it due consideration...thanks for the input....

 

[2aguy]

What you ignore is people have very legitimate uses for those weapons with high capacity magazines. I don't have one right now, but I'm seriously considering buying one next week with a night vision scope. Wild hogs are devastating my property. Imagine trying run a lawn mower though a plowed field, that's what you get with hogs.

You don't need that many shots before reloading for hogs.My 870 has a three round plug, and I do just fine.

Your opinion of what I NEED is irrelevant, immaterial and unimportant.

Another idiot planning on a war with the government. That's crazy.

I simply state the facts. Something which offends you.

Right. The fact that there are some who have so little faith in our country till they actually think there will be a civil war with fantasys of being Jim Bowie against the most powerful military force that ever existed does offend me.

You mean the most powerful military in the world that is now leaving Iraq and Afghanistan because a bunch of backwards ass barbarians with just rifles and improvised explosive devices fought to the point the democrats gave up........that most powerful military.....

vs. civilians in possession of 357,000,00 privately owned rifles and pistols with training from the most powerful military force in the world, with access to technology that the backward ass barbarians could never dream of...those Americans?

 

[2aguy]

There are millions upon millions of ARs in this country... And a handful of them are used in crimes percentage wise - like a tiny percentage of a percentage of a percentage...
The thinking of gun control as a necessarily need is delusional at best. There are much bigger fish to fry
2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America

It's not about doing away with guns dumbass. It's about trying to keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and reducing the number of shots that can be fired before stopping to reload. Of course, like I said before, you think laws are useless, so you are just fine with how many people can be killed in a very short time.

What you ignore is people have very legitimate uses for those weapons with high capacity magazines. I don't have one right now, but I'm seriously considering buying one next week with a night vision scope. Wild hogs are devastating my property. Imagine trying run a lawn mower though a plowed field, that's what you get with hogs.

You don't need that many shots before reloading for hogs.My 870 has a three round plug, and I do just fine.

No...but in the middle of the night, if 3 thugs break into your house and you get hit first...and because you are injured your small motor skills are trashed......15 rounds in your pistol means you don't have to try to reload the magazine....you have a better chance of survival....

And if you are a rancher on an isolated ranch on the border....and you run into drug cartel smugglers...and they start to shoot at you...and the cops are an hour away...you have 30 round magazines to help you survive and escape.....

But you keep telling your self that magazine limits are anything but a way to ban guns......

You watch too much TV.

No....I actually do research....and study gun self defense incidents that have actually happened in the real world.....

 

[2aguy]

What you ignore is people have very legitimate uses for those weapons with high capacity magazines. I don't have one right now, but I'm seriously considering buying one next week with a night vision scope. Wild hogs are devastating my property. Imagine trying run a lawn mower though a plowed field, that's what you get with hogs.

You don't need that many shots before reloading for hogs.My 870 has a three round plug, and I do just fine.

Your opinion of what I NEED is irrelevant, immaterial and unimportant.

Another idiot planning on a war with the government. That's crazy.

I simply state the facts. Something which offends you.

Right. The fact that there are some who have so little faith in our country till they actually think there will be a civil war with fantasys of being Jim Bowie against the most powerful military force that ever existed does offend me.

The Germans in the 1920s had great faith in their government, their police, and their military...so much faith that when the government in the 20s said they should register their guns and turn in their "weapons of war" after the first World War, they did........

They believed that their modern nation state, with modern universities, the rule of law, modern political institutions and a modern understanding of science and philosophy would keep them safe.......and protect them.....

Of course, by the time the 1930s rolled around and the national socialists used those gun registration lists to disarm their enemies and the Jews......that faith in their government, police and military was no longer there....as 6 million German citizens were marched into gas chambers......

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This thread and others like it illustrate just how clueless and out of touch most on the right are, demonstrating conservatives’ comprehensive ignorance of ‘liberals.’

Again:

Liberals own guns, they’re members of the NRA, they enjoy the shooting sports, they own guns for self-defense, they consider Second Amendment jurisprudence to be settled, accepted, and beyond dispute, they agree with and support the Supreme Court’s holdings in Heller and McDonald, and they have no issue whatsoever with gay Americans learning to defend themselves with firearms.

 

[OKTexas]

You don't need that many shots before reloading for hogs.My 870 has a three round plug, and I do just fine.

Your opinion of what I NEED is irrelevant, immaterial and unimportant.

Another idiot planning on a war with the government. That's crazy.

I simply state the facts. Something which offends you.

Right. The fact that there are some who have so little faith in our country till they actually think there will be a civil war with fantasys of being Jim Bowie against the most powerful military force that ever existed does offend me.

You mean the most powerful military in the world that is now leaving Iraq and Afghanistan because a bunch of backwards ass barbarians with just rifles and improvised explosive devices fought to the point the democrats gave up........that most powerful military.....

vs. civilians in possession of 357,000,00 privately owned rifles and pistols with training from the most powerful military force in the world, with access to technology that the backward ass barbarians could never dream of...those Americans?

He's also assuming the military would side with a tyrannical government over friends and family. He tends to forget that the first thing the military swears an oath to is the Constitution, not the government.

 

[2aguy]

It is proof that those who don't support gun rights have never been in a situation where they wish they had one.

You realize that wanting reasonable restrictions isn't the same as wanting to do away with all guns don't you?

We have plenty of reasonable restrictions now.
And there are plenty of people that do in fact want to disarm the people.claiming otherwise is willfull ignorance.

I never said there weren't some fringe people who have dumb ideas on both sides. I only said wanting reasonable restrictions is not the same as wanting to ban all guns. Universal background checks would be perfectly reasonable.

No, they wouldn't.....they require average citizens to be cops....they require normal gun owners to pay extra to sell private, legal property, and will make it harder for poor people to exercise their 2nd Amendment right...and that is against the 14th Amendment....

We can arrest any felon that buys a gun....we can arrest anyone who uses a gun to commit a crime.....

Tell us...which mass shooting, including Orlando, would have been stopped by a universal background check....

Which criminals can't get guns because of current background checks.....

Yes, you always fall back to your same list of talking points that we have already been discussed and discredited countless times. It's clear that facts mean nothing to you, so I have no more desire to convince you of something you refuse to consider. Enjoy being a gun nut, but you should know that this particular situation will not turn out good for you. The country disagrees with you, and it's just a matter of time before the NRA control of politicians will fail.They can't continue to block what 90% of the country wants forever.

Yes...I get it.....you can't actually explain how the gun control laws you want will actually do what you say they will do....while we show you in exact ways how criminals and mass shooters will ignore your laws.....just as the ignore the old ones....


So you prattle on about the NRA, and how you won't rehash your arguments since we won't listen...blah, blah, blah.....instead of actually thinking about what your laws actually do....

And the 90%......are as uninformed as you are on the issues and have no idea about the bait and switch tactics of the anti-gun activists and politicians...if they did, they wouldn't support your ideas.....

 

[2aguy]

Your opinion of what I NEED is irrelevant, immaterial and unimportant.

Another idiot planning on a war with the government. That's crazy.

I simply state the facts. Something which offends you.

Right. The fact that there are some who have so little faith in our country till they actually think there will be a civil war with fantasys of being Jim Bowie against the most powerful military force that ever existed does offend me.

You mean the most powerful military in the world that is now leaving Iraq and Afghanistan because a bunch of backwards ass barbarians with just rifles and improvised explosive devices fought to the point the democrats gave up........that most powerful military.....

vs. civilians in possession of 357,000,00 privately owned rifles and pistols with training from the most powerful military force in the world, with access to technology that the backward ass barbarians could never dream of...those Americans?

He's also assuming the military would side with a tyrannical government over friends and family. He tends to forget that the first thing the military swears an oath to is the Constitution, not the government.

This is because he knows he would side with the tyrannical government over friends and family....Government is their god...and it is a jealous god.........

 

[jon_berzerk]

Wherever

You should prove you are trained before you can buy a gun

it should be taught in the public schools

each and every child that attends a public school should

receive firearms training

Or else we could only teach those who are interested in owning guns

Many states require some sort of training class

Every state should

Should would could

Still doesn't stop anyone from taking a gun safety course does it?
Anyone who has never shot should take at least a basic NRA safety course.

it should automatically taught in the public schools

as part of the civil rights and responsibilities classes

 

[ChrisL]

LGBT turnout for free course surprises local shooting range

I enjoy this kind of political cross pressure.

I totally support "responsible" gun ownership and usage. Why doesn't the NRA?

A claim with zero evidence, how pathetic.

Right? The NRA sponsors plenty of gun safety and training courses. Don't know where these people get their false info from. Must be partisan talking points.

NRAInstructors.org - Portal for NRA Certified Instructors, NRA Education and Training

 

[OKTexas]

LGBT turnout for free course surprises local shooting range

I enjoy this kind of political cross pressure.

I totally support "responsible" gun ownership and usage. Why doesn't the NRA?

A claim with zero evidence, how pathetic.

Right? The NRA sponsors plenty of gun safety and training courses. Don't know where these people get their false info from. Must be partisan talking points.

NRAInstructors.org - Portal for NRA Certified Instructors, NRA Education and Training

Yep, did you see my post on letters of marque? It answered your doubts about private war ships being used by the government.

 

[blackhawk]