Let Me Get This Straight About Impeachment Over Trump's Ukraine Phone Call

[gipper]

Yes you make the perfect dupe.

Could you please explain how you can hold these two beliefs in your head? Trump is the fucking worst EVER. Obama is fucking GREAT.

Never remember Obama going on crazy Twitter Rants attacking members of his own party.

Never remember Obama opening concentration camps.

Never remember Obama enriching himself in the presidency by steering money to his own businesses.

Just because you're a nihilist, doesn't mean the rest of us have to be. I'm sure you'll still be miserable no matter who the president is.

Well Joey I have told you over and over, don't concern yourself with what Donny tweets. Man up son.

Obama had the same camps Donny does, you just don’t know this because you consume only MSM media. Ears deported far more people than has Donnie. Is this news to you?

Ears is doing a good job enriching himself now. His donors on Wall Street are really making him wealthy.

Nope. We just know, thru the facts of both situations, the situations were completely different during Obama vs Trump.... they are not the same, even though kids ended up in cages under both.

Obama should have been impeached and removed over Fast&Furious, arming Isis, invading both Syria and Libya, murdering an American in a drone strike, lying repeatedly over Ocare, lying about Benghazi, etc...

I’m fine with impeaching Donny, but I recognize that his predecessors should have been too.

 

[Care4all]

Yes you make the perfect dupe.

Could you please explain how you can hold these two beliefs in your head? Trump is the fucking worst EVER. Obama is fucking GREAT.

Never remember Obama going on crazy Twitter Rants attacking members of his own party.

Never remember Obama opening concentration camps.

Never remember Obama enriching himself in the presidency by steering money to his own businesses.

Just because you're a nihilist, doesn't mean the rest of us have to be. I'm sure you'll still be miserable no matter who the president is.

Well Joey I have told you over and over, don't concern yourself with what Donny tweets. Man up son.

Obama had the same camps Donny does, you just don’t know this because you consume only MSM media. Ears deported far more people than has Donnie. Is this news to you?

Ears is doing a good job enriching himself now. His donors on Wall Street are really making him wealthy.

Nope. We just know, thru the facts of both situations, the situations were completely different during Obama vs Trump.... they are not the same, even though kids ended up in cages under both.

Obama should have been impeached and removed over Fast&Furious, arming Isis, invading both Syria and Libya, murdering an American in a drone strike, lying repeatedly over Ocare, lying about Benghazi, etc...

I’m fine with impeaching Donny, but I recognize that his predecessors should have been too.

Obama's were planned, with good intentions by at least a group of 20 U.S. Advisors and with ally govts for foreign issues... did they fail or backfire? sure they did.... but it was not planned to do so....

 

[gipper]

Yes you make the perfect dupe.

Could you please explain how you can hold these two beliefs in your head? Trump is the fucking worst EVER. Obama is fucking GREAT.

Never remember Obama going on crazy Twitter Rants attacking members of his own party.

Never remember Obama opening concentration camps.

Never remember Obama enriching himself in the presidency by steering money to his own businesses.

Just because you're a nihilist, doesn't mean the rest of us have to be. I'm sure you'll still be miserable no matter who the president is.

Well Joey I have told you over and over, don't concern yourself with what Donny tweets. Man up son.

Obama had the same camps Donny does, you just don’t know this because you consume only MSM media. Ears deported far more people than has Donnie. Is this news to you?

Ears is doing a good job enriching himself now. His donors on Wall Street are really making him wealthy.

Nope. We just know, thru the facts of both situations, the situations were completely different during Obama vs Trump.... they are not the same, even though kids ended up in cages under both.

Obama should have been impeached and removed over Fast&Furious, arming Isis, invading both Syria and Libya, murdering an American in a drone strike, lying repeatedly over Ocare, lying about Benghazi, etc...

I’m fine with impeaching Donny, but I recognize that his predecessors should have been too.

Obama's were planned, with good intentions by at least a group of 20 U.S. Advisors and with ally govts for foreign issues... did they fail or backfire? sure they did.... but it was not planned to do so....

Yeah and Trump has good intentions too. Right?

 

[CowboyTed]

Apparently it’s because the blob asked a foreign power to investigate the son of a political opponent in return for military aid.

The “political opponent” part of this is where this whole thing falls on its face. You aren’t sheltered from legal scrutiny just because you happen to be running for political office. This is where you and many other people are being led astray. I don’t care about whether or not trump gets impeached over this, the fact remains that asking for information about someone allegedly committing a crime transcends elections. But if you want to go ahead and support stopping anyone from being investigated because they happen to also be running in an election then go right ahead. But be honest with yourself about it.

So you would be happy if a Democrat President would do this in the future....

This from the guys that went ape shit over a tan suit...

 

[Syriusly]

Yes you make the perfect dupe.

Could you please explain how you can hold these two beliefs in your head? Trump is the fucking worst EVER. Obama is fucking GREAT.

Never remember Obama going on crazy Twitter Rants attacking members of his own party.

Never remember Obama opening concentration camps.

Never remember Obama enriching himself in the presidency by steering money to his own businesses.

Just because you're a nihilist, doesn't mean the rest of us have to be. I'm sure you'll still be miserable no matter who the president is.

No, Obama just illegally spied on Americans, reporters, media, US SENATIORS, & USSC JUSTICES...

Wow- you should tell President Nervous Nancy about that- maybe he can ask Russia for help investigating those 'crimes' - since apparently AG Barr and the FBI haven't somehow managed to indict President Obama for those 'crimes' in the three years since Nervous Nancy took over the White House.

LOL you are still spewing Trump propaganda lies after all these years.

 

[g5000]

So let me see if I understand the Democrats' position on this: Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid from Ukraine if Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor who was investigating the Ukrainian company that was paying Biden's drug-using, Navy-discharged-for-drug-use son Hunter $50K per month--and that's no big deal, nothing to see here. But, Donald Trump's request to Ukraine that Ukraine investigate the suspicious, apparently corrupt firing of that prosecutor is an impeachable offense!

False premise.

Fail.

 

[Syriusly]

3+ years of being WILLING easily-emotionally manipulated sheep...Jonathon Gruber must be so proud right now...as well as Putin!

Putin is proud of all of you easily emotionally manipulated Trumpette sheep.

You do his bidding well.

 

[easyt65]

Putin is proud of all of you easily emotionally manipulated Trumpette sheep. You do his bidding well.

You continue to prove you don't have a brain even the size of a pea inside your head.

Putin's ultimate goal, our enemies' ultimate goal, is to divide and tear apart this nation.

THAT IS ALL THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE SINCE BEFORE THE 20Q16 ELECTION, FOR THE LAST 3+ YEARS...STARTING WITH IT BEING EXPOSED THAT HILLARY WAS PAYING THUGS TO BEAT AND BLOODY TRUMP SUPPORTERS AT TRUMP RALLIES.

The Russians LITERALLY conned Democrats / snowflakes using social media into organizing for them and marching for them!

The Russians LITERALLY paid Liberal groups Antifa, BLM, & the Black Fist to spread racial division and violence.

Hillary LITERALLY bought Russian-authored Counter-Intelligence propaganda from a foreign spy, information illegally used to target Trump & his team.

Democrats LITERALLY sent reps to Ukraine and collected 'dirt' on Manafort and used it against him and Trump.

Are you REALLY so STUPID that you cannot comprehend that illegally destroying (in violation of existing laws governing the destruction of classified material) thousands of SUBPOENAED official documents that had not been submitted for archival - as per the FOIA & Federal Records Act - constitutes LIERALLY thousands of criminal counts of Illegal Destruction of Classified documents, violations of the FOIA & FRA, and Obstruction, that Hillary should have been I dicted and sentenced to prison instead of being on the ballot?!

Democrats LITERALLY committed every crime they have accused Trump of doing for r years, and partisan idiots like you have been supporting them and defending them despite the overwhelming evidence of their crimes.

Jonathon Gruber was right - Socialist Democrats are dumb as dirt, the Democratic party counts on morons like you to get away with what they do, & you have helped the Democrats divide this nation far more than Putin ever hoped to when they started interfering in 2014!

.

 

[Olde Europe]

So let me see if I understand ...

Now, that sounds promising!

So let me see if I understand the Democrats' position on this: Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid from Ukraine if Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor who was investigating the Ukrainian company that was paying Biden's drug-using, Navy-discharged-for-drug-use son Hunter $50K per month--and that's no big deal, nothing to see here. But, Donald Trump's request to Ukraine that Ukraine investigate the suspicious, apparently corrupt firing of that prosecutor is an impeachable offense!

Can you imagine what Democrats would be saying if Trump had a troubled son, if that troubled son were hired by a Ukrainian company for the amazing salary of $50K per month (even though the son possessed no job skills that would justify such a salary), if a Ukrainian prosecutor began to investigate the company that was paying Trump's troubled son such an exorbitant salary, if Trump then threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid to Ukraine if the prosecutor weren't fired, and if Ukraine then fired the prosecutor? They would justifiably argue that this smelled to high heaven of corruption.

So the Democrats want to impeach Trump because he wanted Ukraine to investigate what clearly appears to have been a case of corruption involving Joe Biden, his son, and the Ukrainian company, and the previous Ukrainian government that fired the prosecutor.

So, before anyone informed on the matter has a chance to get a word in, edgewise, you already have your mind set on the litany of Trumpish and Ghoulianish talking points. What happened to "let me see if I understand"? For, quite clearly, you don't.

As to this:

Can you imagine what Democrats would be saying if Trump had a troubled son, if that troubled son were hired by a Ukrainian company for the amazing salary of $50K per month

So, Hunter, a Yale-trained lawyer, got a job you find over-paid, even though you have no idea as to the work he actually did for Burisma.

But then, let's see, how about a troubled son-in-law with a deeply troubled "asset" (666 Fifth) and debt obligations threatening to swallow the family's worth whole, without rest. What if that troubled son-in-law went around the world hat in hand asking governments and government-owned entities to bail him out, and nothing would come to pass? What if that troubled son-in-law's father-in-law all of a sudden ended up becoming the president of the U.S. of A.? What if, at the urging of this troubled son-in-law, the U.S. foreign policy towards a stalwart friend and ally, Qatar, somehow ended up supporting an economic embargo that deeply, thoroughly threatened that country's economy, including 90+% of its food supply? What if, somehow, miraculously, that foreign state, via a Canadian affiliate, all of a sudden would reverse course and choose to bail out that troubled son-in-law's very troubled asset? Wouldn't that somehow sound somewhat suspicious? I mean, the U.S. would agree to subject Qatar - which invested more than a billion dollars to build the fabulous American Al Udeid Air Base, the largest, strategically important base in the ME, on Qatari soil - to an economic embargo, with Trump leading the charge? How on earth can that happen, and how can that happen on the occasion of the hacking (FBI-confirmed) of the official Qatari news agency, so as to have their website spreading fake news about Qatari "support for Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Israel"? A hacking that was, according to U.S. intelligence agencies, perpetrated by the UAE, one of the main instigators of the embargo against Qatar. Mind-boggling, isn't it?

 

[rightwinger]

So let me see if I understand the Democrats' position on this: Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid from Ukraine if Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor who was investigating the Ukrainian company that was paying Biden's drug-using, Navy-discharged-for-drug-use son Hunter $50K per month--and that's no big deal, nothing to see here. But, Donald Trump's request to Ukraine that Ukraine investigate the suspicious, apparently corrupt firing of that prosecutor is an impeachable offense!

Can you imagine what Democrats would be saying if Trump had a troubled son, if that troubled son were hired by a Ukrainian company for the amazing salary of $50K per month (even though the son possessed no job skills that would justify such a salary), if a Ukrainian prosecutor began to investigate the company that was paying Trump's troubled son such an exorbitant salary, if Trump then threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid to Ukraine if the prosecutor weren't fired, and if Ukraine then fired the prosecutor? They would justifiably argue that this smelled to high heaven of corruption.

So the Democrats want to impeach Trump because he wanted Ukraine to investigate what clearly appears to have been a case of corruption involving Joe Biden, his son, and the Ukrainian company, and the previous Ukrainian government that fired the prosecutor.

Bidens son was not under investigation. If anything, the company his son worked for would have been better off with the ineffective prosecutor

Biden did not ask a favor to help him get elected

 

[BlindBoo]

It really had nothing to do with Obama's Administration policy. It's all about Trumpybears' pattern of corrupt behavior and shakedown of foreign governments for his own political gain.

 

[bendog]

It really had nothing to do with Obama's Administration policy. It's all about Trumpybears' pattern of corrupt behavior and shakedown of foreign governments for his own political gain.

Mike doth protest too much.

One of the lesser Hamlet's was on TCM today, I forget which. I think maybe it was Leslie Howard's. Oliver's Henry V was on TCM today, but I didn't get a chance to watch or TiVo any of it btw.

 

[mikegriffith1]

It really had nothing to do with Obama's Administration policy. It's all about Trumpybears' pattern of corrupt behavior and shakedown of foreign governments for his own political gain.

So Trump's wanting Ukraine to investigate clearly apparent corruption is "corrupt behavior"? How would you characterize Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in aid if Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating the Ukrainian company that was, for some unfathomable reason, paying his loser son $50K per month? What would you call that?

 

[Siete]

how many times does Trumps horseshit need to be debunked ....

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Trump's own staff repeatedly warned him that his theory about Democrats and Ukraine had been debunked

 

[BlindBoo]

So Trump's wanting Ukraine to investigate clearly apparent corruption is "corrupt behavior"?

No using the aid package as leverage for Ukraine to announce that it was specifically investigating the DNC Server situation, as well as Biden's son.

How would you characterize Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in aid if Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor

Has nothing to do with Trumpybears Shakedown of the Ukraine, but

"...though Biden may have taken credit for it, this was hardly his unique idea. “Everyone in the Western community wanted Shokin sacked,” Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal. “The whole G-7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesman for this was Joe Biden.”


When Biden joined Burisma’s board, both the company and Zlochevsky were already the subject of intense controversy. Zlochevsky had served as a top official for Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who was forced out of office in early 2014, in part due to concerns over rampant corruption. Zlochevsky was accused of corruption as well, including for steering large government contracts to companies he owned.

One party investigating these allegations was the United Kingdom, because Zlochevsky had $23 million in a British bank account that UK officials believed has been laundered. Britain’s Serious Fraud Office froze that account, and shortly after Yanukovych left office in February 2014, sent a request to Ukrainian officials for documents it believed would help in prove its case. Following this request, the new Ukrainian government began its own investigation into Zlochevsky, looking into whether he embezzled public money.

The facts behind Trump’s bogus accusations about Biden and Ukraine

But though Biden may have taken credit for it, this was hardly his unique idea. “Everyone in the Western community wanted Shokin sacked,” Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal. “The whole G-7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesman for this was Joe Biden.”

The people of Ukraine wanted Shokin gone as well, and demonstrated for his removal around the time of Biden’s threat. Shortly after that demonstration, Shokin was dismissed.

 

[bendog]

But for Trump trying the quid pro quo, this would be a non-story. Biden typically overstated his actions in Al Gore fashion. Biden held himself out as morally superior to Trump, only to have his lesser son try and play power to the throne gambit. Biden was full of flaws as a candidate, but there may be none better unless Warren gets her head out of her law professor ego ass and realizes the US is still a center right country, but with a populace that usually does not reward politicians who misuse their office.

All Trump had to do was say "ok, I got carried away because of the constant attacks on my character, but you know, I ended up freeing up aid without any Biden investigation. No harm, no foul."

But is there more?

 

[Paulie]

Trump was clearly attacking a political opponent. That is the ONLY reason he was strong arming Ukraine.

Another person who clearly hasn’t read the transcript.

 

[Paulie]

Apparently it’s because the blob asked a foreign power to investigate the son of a political opponent in return for military aid.

The “political opponent” part of this is where this whole thing falls on its face. You aren’t sheltered from legal scrutiny just because you happen to be running for political office. This is where you and many other people are being led astray. I don’t care about whether or not trump gets impeached over this, the fact remains that asking for information about someone allegedly committing a crime transcends elections. But if you want to go ahead and support stopping anyone from being investigated because they happen to also be running in an election then go right ahead. But be honest with yourself about it.

So you would be happy if a Democrat President would do this in the future....

This from the guys that went ape shit over a tan suit...

I’d be happy if ANYONE started having the balls to get to the bottom of the corruption in this government. I don’t see dem and rep like you do because I’m not a fucking retard

 

[Olde Europe]

But for Trump trying the quid pro quo, this would be a non-story. Biden typically overstated his actions in Al Gore fashion. Biden held himself out as morally superior to Trump, only to have his lesser son try and play power to the throne gambit. Biden was full of flaws as a candidate, but there may be none better unless Warren gets her head out of her law professor ego ass and realizes the US is still a center right country, but with a populace that usually does not reward politicians who misuse their office.

All Trump had to do was say "ok, I got carried away because of the constant attacks on my character, but you know, I ended up freeing up aid without any Biden investigation. No harm, no foul."

But is there more?

Gawd...

Even if there had not been a quid pro quo, this still wouldn't be a non-story. Had, in 2007 or 2008, President Obama urged Putin to look into Trump's dealings in Moscow, including finding the "pee tape" ("a favor"), you'd probably know it would have been entirely inappropriate - goes without saying, had that happened, the Trumpletons still wouldn't have stopped screeching about it.

Whatever you mean by overstated "in Al Gore fashion" is probably based on another retarded meme.

Whatever you mean by "power to the throne gambit" is probably a figment of your deplorable imagination.

Whatever you mean by "law professor ego ass" is probably the anti-intellectual pus dribbling out of your foul mouth.

And no, "I got carried away" by Trump would not make his criminality go away, and why should it? There would be harm done, there would have been foul play, if he withheld Congress-appropriated funds for a single hour, if he only had hinted at withholding military aid - as he did in that phone call - without even doing it.

The point is, Trump has normalized moral and legal corruption to such an extent, Trump's yard stick is already infinitely shorter than any used to measure any other president. And that's while we already know there is in fact more, as Trump tried to recruit other countries' leaders to assist in his re-election campaign, and there are more transcripts of calls hidden away on codeword-protected, ultra-secret servers. Trump's lawyerly goons in the White House, on the taxpayers' payroll, have been very busy cleaning up Trump's corrupt messes, indeed. None of them had the moral courage to step forward and blow the whistle - it took some CIA goons, for whom this was too much to bear, to do that.

So, what the heck are you thinking?

 

[Kondor3]

It really had nothing to do with Obama's Administration policy. It's all about Trumpybears' pattern of corrupt behavior and shakedown of foreign governments for his own political gain.

So Trump's wanting Ukraine to investigate clearly apparent corruption is "corrupt behavior"? How would you characterize Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in aid if Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating the Ukrainian company that was, for some unfathomable reason, paying his loser son $50K per month? What would you call that?

Biden is not being investigated by the US House of Representatives to determine the appropriateness of impeachment.

Trump is.

Nor did Biden use his office to extort foreign governments to dig-up dirt on a domestic political rival.