LePen Top Vote Getter in First Round

[JimBowie1958]

I'm sorry, are you advocating Socialism? That's never been right, IMO. Deeply immoral ideology.

Re what the voting public wants, that's what the Constitution is for. We are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Two wolves and a sheep do not get to decided what's for dinner. Of course, they can try to overthrow and write a new law of the land. Good luck with that.

Nordic Model Socialism is not Marxism and some would say not even socialism.

It is a mixed economy where the top priority is not corporate profits but the interests and welfare of the public instead.

Sort of 'Capitalism with a human face'.

If that human face requires theft, enforced by armed government agents, it's immoral. Whatever you call it, if that public interest means that because I happen to the be a healthcare provider, I must provide my services to you, well, then you have made me an indentured servant. Also immoral.

Freedom baby.

Taxation by the government is not theft.

Try again.

Why, because you voted for it? Because the government approves? At one time, people voted for and governments supported slavery and when some stood up and said no, this is immoral, your ilk argument they're not real people. Now you tell us taking other people's money isn't theft. The self denial is overwhelming.

Sorry, but forcing money from an individual with the threat of incarceration if that person does not hand over the loot is absolutely theft.

The left are an immoral people and must be resisted.

The government in all societies and all nations has ALWAYS had the right to tax.

Just because you and some other idiots decide that the government suddenly has no right to fund itself doesnt make it true, valid or profound.

It only makes it one more case of an hysterical dumbass idea being paraded around like it is rational.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I do. Are you professing to actually be contributing something meaningful to this discussion?

He makes more sense than a loon that says a universal axiom is now suddenly no longer regarded as self evident.

 

[eflatminor]

I'm sorry, are you advocating Socialism? That's never been right, IMO. Deeply immoral ideology.

Re what the voting public wants, that's what the Constitution is for. We are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Two wolves and a sheep do not get to decided what's for dinner. Of course, they can try to overthrow and write a new law of the land. Good luck with that.

Nordic Model Socialism is not Marxism and some would say not even socialism.

It is a mixed economy where the top priority is not corporate profits but the interests and welfare of the public instead.

Sort of 'Capitalism with a human face'.

If that human face requires theft, enforced by armed government agents, it's immoral. Whatever you call it, if that public interest means that because I happen to the be a healthcare provider, I must provide my services to you, well, then you have made me an indentured servant. Also immoral.

Freedom baby.

Taxation by the government is not theft.

Try again.

Why, because you voted for it? Because the government approves? At one time, people voted for and governments supported slavery and when some stood up and said no, this is immoral, your ilk argument they're not real people. Now you tell us taking other people's money isn't theft. The self denial is overwhelming.

Sorry, but forcing money from an individual with the threat of incarceration if that person does not hand over the loot is absolutely theft.

The left are an immoral people and must be resisted.

The government in all societies and all nations has ALWAYS had the right to tax.

Just because you and some other idiots decide that the government suddenly has no right to fund itself doesnt make it true, valid or profound.

It only makes it one more case of an hysterical dumbass idea being paraded around like it is rational.

Wrong comrade. For most of America's history, income tax was outlawed. And we funded the government just fine without that tax. So, I'd agree with you, but your're wrong.

I see now you've resorted to logical fallacies while suggesting that your immorality is justified...'cuz everyone's doing it.

Typical leftist mob mentality.

 

[eflatminor]

I do. Are you professing to actually be contributing something meaningful to this discussion?

He makes more sense than a loon that says a universal axiom is now suddenly no longer regarded as self evident.

Another logical fallacy, another attempt to justify immorality because..."self evident".

Golly, that's one hell of an argument.

In any case, now that you've reverted to schoolyard taunts, I can see I've hit a nerve. You sleep on the immoral actions you support and either change your ways or take it up with your maker. Either way, those that advocate theft and indentured servitude will be resisted.

 

[Syriusly]

Looks like another Eurpoean nation tilting right to protect their citizens.
French presidential election: Le Pen, Macron projected as winners in first round

Looks like you are wrong

With 97 percent of votes counted, centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron decisively won Sunday’s first round with 23.9 percent of votes. Macron will meet hardliner Le Pen in the runoff on May 7. Le Pen took home 21.4 percent of the votes. Conservative Fillon and far-left candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon were eliminated, with 19.9 and 19.6 percent respectively.

2.5%.. decisive?

2.5% more voted for the centrist candidate than the right wing nationalist candidate.

 

[basquebromance]

Aux électeurs de Jean-Luc Mélenchon : est-ce que sérieusement vous envisagez de voter pour Mr Macron?

for the folks who voted for Melenchon, do you seriously envision votin for Macron?

 

[basquebromance]

"Je veux faire un bilan sur l'immigration, voir les chiffres, qui sont aujourd'hui le secret le mieux gardé de la République." - Le Pen

"I want to take stock of immigration, to see the figures, which today are the Republic's best kept secret." - Le Pen

 

[JohnnyApplesack]

Looks like another Eurpoean nation tilting right to protect their citizens.
French presidential election: Le Pen, Macron projected as winners in first round

LePen came in second place some 2% behind Macron. She has little chance of winning given that even Fillon has asked his supporters to vote for Macron.

Election présidentielle : Emmanuel Macron (23,7%) et Marine Le Pen (21,9%) qualifiés pour le second tour, selon une estimation Ipsos/Sopra Steria

aw, don't pop the wingnut's bubble! lol

 

[there4eyeM]

Le Pen has much less than little chance of being elected.

 

[JohnnyApplesack]

fux ne6ws just reported Le Pen down 62 to 38 according to a brand new poll

btw the dope is polling just 5% in Paris lol

 

[Tommy Tainant]

She is guaranteed second place.

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[there4eyeM]

Breaking 30% in the second round will be surprising.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Wrong comrade. For most of America's history, income tax was outlawed. And we funded the government just fine without that tax. So, I'd agree with you, but your're wrong.
I see now you've resorted to logical fallacies while suggesting that your immorality is justified...'cuz everyone's doing it.
Typical leftist mob mentality.

No, dude, that ws not my argument. My argument is that governments have the right to tax its people as an AXIOMATIC TRUTH.

Governments protect us from many things, like criminals, invasion, malpractice, toxic products and spoiled foods.

To do this we have to fund the government and the traditional way of doing that in EVERY MOTHER FUCKING COUNTRY UNDER THE SUN, is to have the government TAX THE PEOPLE.

In the USA, the government does this with the consent of the people via a legislative body of elected representatives and Senators.

If yo dont like it, then leave, doofus.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Le Pen has much less than little chance of being elected.

I am not so sure.

Macron will not get a huge slice of the Socialist vote and the left of left-of-center vote. Much of that might go to Le Pen if she campaigns for it, and apparently she will.

People everywhere are getting sick of Globalism, and this is driving Le Pens support.

 

[Roudy]

Yup I'm dying to have WWIII which the euro was designed to prevent.

European Union was yet another one of those ideas that looked good on paper, but failed in reality when they tried to impose radical socialism and millions of unwanted immigrants from third world Muslim countries into the European continent, in such a short period of time. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that based on Europe's dark history, this was going to be a ticking time bomb destined to explode. In essence the European Union was yet another act of and aggression and control by the Germans, only this time they are doing it economically via their banks and bailouts.

The British were the only people who were smart enough not to give up their currency and immigration laws to foreigners, from the very beginning.

 

[Eloy]

WWII was fought to end the Axis powers attempt to instill themselves as central planners. The bureaucracies in Brussels opted for creeping progressive meddling to obtain their central planner status. Better than using military force I suppose, but if one cares about actual results over intentions, best to stop them before things get out of hand.

European countries can conduct free trade among themselves without the meddlers in Brussels. Free trade equals peace; people in charge forcing their will on others causes war.

The Common Market, forerunner of the European Union (EU), was formed to combat European nationalisms and economic competition between its member states which lead to wars. It is working and has the support of European youth who want a future characterized by cooperation and shared identity.

Europe must remain White in order to preserve its heritage, culture and traditions. Diversity and multiculturalism doesn't work. The Muslim migration has proven that.

I agree multiculturalism doesn't work. However, if peoples of the same land embrace a successful and productive culture, diversity of background, be it ethnic, racial, geographic, or otherwise is not a problem and can actually be an asset.

The USA is the most multicultural and ethnically mixed country on the planet.

No, you want multiculturalism, or at least you think you do. From the time of the founding, through most of the progressive era, the American culture was simple and hugely successful. Further, a key element of that culture was that any citizen from any background could and did succeed by embracing things like getting an education, working your ass off so your kids have it better, being charitable while protecting what was yours, and just generally acting like a decent human being.

Of course there are other cultures within the society. Some do okay, most do not, at least if government statistics and the rhetoric of the left are to be believed.

And that's my point. Some cultures work, some don't. They can influence one another over time. They can even live peacefully in their own bordering areas, but there is no "multi". It's a ridiculous Utopian fantasy for some and a tool for the central planners to herd the sheep.

Don't be a sheep.

Are you seriously suggesting that people in other countries do not believe in education, working to provide for their families, and helping others in their communities? What type of myth of American exceptionalism are you believing, I wonder.

The USA is a country built of many nations and they all contributed to what it means to be an American today. Public education in the USA was established by immigrants in their own communities as there is not a single word about education in the American Constitution. Please, open a book.

 

[Picaro]

Looks like another Eurpoean nation tilting right to protect their citizens.
French presidential election: Le Pen, Macron projected as winners in first round

The euro currency union and the EU org itself only exists because of the U.S.; once we quit subsidizing them and they have to run their own defense it will all disintegrate. Germany will be faced with the reality of nuclear blackmail by Putin and have to develop their own deterrent, and it's not likely France or Britain are going to rush to its aid, and in fact many Euro observers think the age old Franco-German rivalries will again become the norm just as it was in the past, with a war every 30 years or so, and a Russia just waiting to pick off pieces of Eastern Europe while they have their routine snit fits.

The U.S. is going increasingly isolationist, another bad idea but it's going to learn the same lesson over and over again and there is not much to stop the trend, so the next 20 years are going to be interesting times indeed. So, the French should embrace Le Pen and lose the effete fashionable clown acts as soon as possible; they need another De Gaulle at this point in time, especially if they are going to re-instate the Franc and have to go back to the gold standard; no other way to go back to it, and it was their best years after WW II anyway when they were on the gold standard, so they needn't fear it.

 

[there4eyeM]

Any French voter who every considered her/himself Socialist will vote for Macron. The mobilization to stop the 'Front National' will bring all but the FN militants and the extreme left pissed-off into the effort. Le Pen may pick up a few of Melanchon's melancholic and Fillion's 'fascho', but no more. Even odds are those who don't vote at all will be as numerous as those who do vote for 'her'.

 

[Picaro]

They don't have to win outright to influence policy and make their opposition modify policies, especially since their voter base has been steadily increasing and it won't take much at this point to tip it over the edge in a mere 6 months to a year or so.

 

[Dalia]

Here is Macron at 15, with his 40 year old teacher who is now his wife.

Anyone else creeped out about this ?

I am creeped out about it. She look like she could be is mother.