Widdekind
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Keynesian Fiscal Stimulus, per se, involves no long-term, permanent, changes to the economy. Instead, FS, per se, involves only "one-time", short-term, government borrowing & deficit spending, for public investments (infrastructure), when credit is cheap (low interest-rates), and labor is cheap (high unemployment).The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but revolutionary in its nature and intentions, seeking a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.
The New Deal was Keynesian, in that cheap labor & cheap credit were employed, for public investments ("Public works"). However, if the New Deal also involved "government ratchet effects", where supposedly temporary increases in government budgets do not decrease afterwards; then the New Deal was not Keynesian.
The ND was an imperfect implementation of Keynes' FS suggestion, to FDR. FS is not permanent, but is a short-term stimulus to escape recession. If "government ratchet effects" exploit a FS, to then perpetuate their bloated budgets years afterwards; then that is a separate issue, of long-term practical importance, but not of short-term economic relevance
the US economy has been growing steadily, since the 18th century. To date, overall, the US economy has been "all rise", and real per capita incomes have been growing, exponentially, for centuries:America was NOT a super power or the richest country in the world until AFTER the Great Depression.
So lets look at that shall we? Who were the Presidents during our rise?
FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson
4 Democrats one Republican ALL of which pushed Keynesian economics vs the classic economic liberalism from pre-depression times, which led to the Great Depression in the first place.
So until we ABANDONED the very thing youre claiming made us great, we werent great.
If the Democrats in the 1930s-60s were the US "rise", then the Republicans of the 1970s-2000s have been the US "fall" ? That is not seen in the actual data, which has been "all rise".
What has happened, from the "Democrat era" to the "Republican era", has been the rise, and then the fall, of progressive taxes on "the rich", i.e. those having high incomes:
and the corresponding fall, and then the rise, of the share of income earned by "the rich":
So, when the masses band together, to "sock it to the rich", and hike their taxes; then they report less income; then when their tax rates fall, they report more income. But, as shown by Hauser's Law, total tax payments don't change much. Meanwhile, without worrying about the other guy's greener grass, US real per capita GDP has been rising for centuries, in a "rising tide lifting all boats". For the majority of people, their economy has improved, in absolute terms
that seems fair -- WWII spending resembled Keynesian FS, in some respects; and in those respects, boosted the US economyhe [Krugman] said they should SPEND like they did in the gear up for World War II. He did NOT say Build up the military to get us out of this depression.
both depressions were caused by speculation on (stock, real-estate) assets. Now, a stock certificate is like a title to a car -- in fact, it is the title to a business' machines & factories. So, speculating on stock is like speculating on titles to cars, buying & selling the same car title, over & over. Perhaps putting it in those terms reveals how un-productive speculation is -- it amounts to a "fad" in "base-ball cards", everybody wants one, they all go broke buying them, and wind up with colored card-stock. Speculation would end, if every sale of a stock -- legally, the title to (part of) a business, including all of its machines & factories -- was assessed a sales tax, even as you cannot sell a (single) car, without paying a tax. Such a tax would end rapid buying & selling of stocks, i.e. speculation. People would only buy titles to US businesses (stocks) if they earnestly meant to invest in that business -- even as you only buy a car, if you earnestly intend to drive it. No longer would US businesses be swapped around like base-ball cards. That is economically pointless behavior, doing no good; and when done en masse, does bad.The two biggest depressions we have had ( 1930s and now ) were the direct result of lack of oversight of the economy. Allowing the finacial markets to run wild and take risks their bank accounts cant back up leads to economic misery for all.
The most STABLE economic period we had was between 1945 and 1980 ( the oil embargo huirt us in the 70's but that wasnt due to our economic policies but our political ones ) and during THAT period, the very policies you rail against were in place.
Again, when stocks are sold, whole mega-machines & factories are being sold (albeit piecemeal, in partial shares). That the biggest man-made capital assets on earth (or anywhere in space) can be swapped around like trading cards, is not logically legitimate, and has not been economically beneficial. A stock is not a piece of paper, but a (partial) title to machines & factories far exceeding personal vehicles in size, scale, & value; but are treated flippantly, like nothing, swapped on the NYSE like trading cards on ebay. If every sale of a stock "title deed to a business" incurred a 10% sales tax; then non-productive speculation would be dis-incentivized