Krugman's very very simple solution to end this depression

[uscitizen]

I thought we were told that the recession ended just 3 months after Obama took office?

Technically it did Ollie.
We are now in a global readjustment period.

 

[georgephillip]

Or maybe we are in the end days of a private creation of money at interest pyramid scheme?

"The derivatives casino itself is just a last-ditch attempt to prop up a private pyramid scheme in fractional-reserve money creation, one that has progressed over several centuries through a series of 'reserves'—from gold, to Fed-created 'base money,' to mortgage-backed securities, to sovereign debt ostensibly protected with derivatives.

"We’ve seen that the only real guarantor in all this is the government itself, first with FDIC insurance and then with government bailouts of too-big-to-fail banks. If we the people are funding the banks, we should own them; and our national currency should be issued, not through banks at interest, but through our own sovereign government."

Why the Senate Won’t Touch Jamie Dimon » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

1) Real GDP per capita raised under FDR pre WWII and during WWII.
Real GDP per capita shrank under Truman.

so??? FDR took over in 1933 at the lowest point of the Great Depression. Yes war raises GDP. Does that really surprise you? Yes the end of world war will lowewr GDP. Does that surprise you?

2) It didn't boom again. Unemployment went up, real GDP per capita went down, this is your "boom"

the period after WW2 was a huge boom!!!

3) war pay? But I thought you said over and over again that government spending can't help the economy? Oh wait, you do keep saying that. So you disagree with your own post?

of course war spending cant help the economy. If it could we'd build 100 million planes again and dump them into the sea. Does any liberal dare advocate that?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

our national currency should be issued, not through banks at interest, but through our own sovereign government."

dear, money is issued through our sovereign government's Federal Reserve Bank and its member banks.

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow, very slow??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

you have never once shown evidence. You just shout words and insults.".

the conservative/ libertarian position is 200 years old at least and has 1000's of books to explain the evidence.

The best evidence is America itself. It is the richest country in human history, the world's moral policeman, and the most Republican/libertarian country in human history.

You seem angry about being in the middle and so lacking the IQ to decide. Why not ask questions. How will you learn if you are afraid to try?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Jesus, ed. They are eating your lunch.

oh???? if so why are you so afraid to provide your best example for the whole world to see? What does your fear tell us?

 

[Vidi]

you have never once shown evidence. You just shout words and insults.".

the conservative/ libertarian position is 200 years old at least and has 1000's of books to explain the evidence.

The best evidence is America itself. It is the richest country in human history, the world's moral policeman, and the most Republican/libertarian country in human history.

You seem angry about being in the middle and so lacking the IQ to decide. Why not ask questions. How will you learn if you are afraid to try?

Youre making the mistake of thinking that Republican/Libertarian values were in place when America rose to the top. They were not.

From the Great Depression until the 1980's, economic policy did not reflect those worldviews. The new deal, the fair deal, the great society...none of these things were "Republican/Libertarian".

Now you CAN argue that America rose IN SPITE of Progressive policy, but it cannot be argued that it rose BECAUSE of Republican/Libertarian policy due to that fact.

 

[Vidi]

our national currency should be issued, not through banks at interest, but through our own sovereign government."

dear, money is issued through our sovereign government's Federal Reserve Bank and its member banks.

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow, very slow??

You do understand that you are arguing FOR economic liberalism, right?


Economic liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe you need to look up the labels you apply to everything before you start throwing insults around.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Youre making the mistake of thinking that Republican/Libertarian values were in place when America rose to the top. They were not.

actually in 1789 the government was very very small and designed to be that way by our Founders. What planet have you been on??

From the Great Depression until the 1980's, economic policy did not reflect those worldviews. The new deal, the fair deal, the great society...none of these things were "Republican/Libertarian".

actually they were far far more Republican /Libertarian than Europe, USSR, China, Cuba, etc etc. Again what planet were you on???

Now you CAN argue that America rose IN SPITE of Progressive policy, but it cannot be argued that it rose BECAUSE of Republican/Libertarian policy due to that fact.

as I said it was the most Republican libertarian place on earth!!! Where on earth were you??????

 

[Vidi]

Youre making the mistake of thinking that Republican/Libertarian values were in place when America rose to the top. They were not.

actually in 1789 the government was very very small and designed to be that way by our Founders. What planet have you been on??

From the Great Depression until the 1980's, economic policy did not reflect those worldviews. The new deal, the fair deal, the great society...none of these things were "Republican/Libertarian".

actually they were far far more Republican /Libertarian than Europe, USSR, China, Cuba, etc etc. Again what planet were you on???

Now you CAN argue that America rose IN SPITE of Progressive policy, but it cannot be argued that it rose BECAUSE of Republican/Libertarian policy due to that fact.

as I said it was the most Republican libertarian place on earth!!! Where on earth were you??????

America was NOT a super power or the richest country in the world until AFTER the Great Depression.

So lets look at that shall we? Who were the Presidents during our rise?

FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson

4 Democrats one Republican ALL of which pushed Keynesian economics vs the classic economic liberalism from pre-depression times, which led to the Great Depression in the first place.

So until we ABANDONED the very thing youre claiming made us great, we werent great.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

4 Democrats one Republican ALL of which pushed Keynesian economics vs the classic economic liberalism from pre-depression times, which led to the Great Depression in the first place.

too stupid!!!! liberal presidents did not change fact that we were most capitalist nation in human history and the richest

too stupid!!!! Bernanke and Friedman agree Depression was caused by Federal Reserve tight money policy!!!

 

[Vidi]

4 Democrats one Republican ALL of which pushed Keynesian economics vs the classic economic liberalism from pre-depression times, which led to the Great Depression in the first place.

too stupid!!!! liberal presidents did not change fact that we were most capitalist nation in human history and the richest

too stupid!!!! Bernanke and Friedman agree Depression was caused by Federal Reserve tight money policy!!!

too stupid is right...liberal doesnt mean ANTI capitalist. You dont understand the labels you spew. You think youre trowing insults when all youre REALLY doing is painting yourself as the village idiot.

But do you understand that Friedman was a LIBERAL, right? Yes, an economic LIBERAL. And the economic philosopy of Libertarianism is Economic LIBERALISM.

Come back when you actually understand the words your using.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

too stupid is right...liberal doesnt mean ANTI capitalist.

of course it does!!! BO is a 100% undisputed uber liberal; he didn't opt for capitalist health care!! He opted for Obamacare, full government contro!!! See why we are positive a liberal will be slow, so very very very slow???

But do you understand that Friedman was a LIBERAL, right?

too stupid but perfectly liberal. In Freedom and Capitalism he explains that he is not a liberal, but rather a "classical liberal", like our founders, who was for liberty from government!! See why we are positive a liberal will be slow, very slow!!!!

 

[Vidi]

too stupid is right...liberal doesnt mean ANTI capitalist.

of course it does!!! BO is a 100% undisputed uber liberal; he didn't opt for capitalist health care!! He opted for Obamacare, full government contro!!! See why we are positive a liberal will be slow, so very very very slow???

But do you understand that Friedman was a LIBERAL, right?

too stupid but perfectly liberal. In Freedom and Capitalism he explains that he is not a liberal, but rather a "classical liberal", like our founders, who was for liberty from government!! See why we are positive a liberal will be slow, very slow!!!!

Your grasp of reality is slim at best isnt it?

Obamcare is NOT full government control of Health Care. Only a complete idiot doesnt know the difference between Obamacare and an actual ful government control system, like England.

Maybe if you werent so afraid to actually READ a bit, youd learn that pretty much everything you post is so insanely off the mark that you should most likely NOT be allowed to pet the rabbits.


Go get a book on political science and read it cover to cover. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. I dont care where you end up politically. Thats your choice and more power to you, but you ought to AT LEAST have a grasp on what those stances really are before you start foaming at the mouth like a rabid reactionary dog.

And until you do actually understand the different political platforms, you are the official village idiot of this forum.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Your grasp of reality is slim at best isnt it?

Obamcare is NOT full government control of Health Care. Only a complete idiot doesnt know the difference between Obamacare and an actual ful government control system, like England.

Dear, Obama is a quintessential liberal; he very openly has supported single payer like in, .....try to guess, yes, England!!!!!. Liberals are not for capitalism as you thought in your pure and perfect liberal ignorance. Liberals voted for Obamacare, spied for Stalin, Obama had 2 communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders, an open liberal socialist. What does all that that tell you?
See why we say slow, so very very slow??????



Norman Thomas quotes:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

http://conservativecolloquium.wordp...cal-democracy-socialism-and-public-education/


Buckley endorsed Chambers’ analysis of modern liberalism as a watered-down version of Communist ideology. The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but “revolutionary” in its nature and intentions, seeking “a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”

 

[Vidi]

Your grasp of reality is slim at best isnt it?

Obamcare is NOT full government control of Health Care. Only a complete idiot doesnt know the difference between Obamacare and an actual ful government control system, like England.

Dear, Obama is a quintessential liberal; he very openly has supported single payer like in, .....try to guess, yes, England!!!!!. Liberals are not for capitalism as you thought in your pure and perfect liberal ignorance. Liberals spied for Stalin, Obama had 2 communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders. What does that tell you?
See why we say slow, so very very slow??????

It tells me that you have no grasp of facts or reality.

Again, seek education, dearie.

And I, as in ME, am FOR single payer.

As stated in our Declaration of Independence clearly states LIFE is a right. A right bestowed to us by our Creator and one that cannot be taken away. And denial of service due to inability to pay is a denial of that right.

So me and those like me, are extactic that the Supreme court is going to declare the mandate unconstitutional. Because it opens the way to the single payer fight.

And that doesnt make me a liberal. It makes me a believer in the Founders original intent for our country.

You on the other hand produce an endless stream of half truths garbled through a broken lense and pasted together with ignorance and total lack of understanding.

Keep up the good work, Village Idiot.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And denial of service due to inability to pay is a denial of that right.

ah but if you think health care is a right, then you must think more important and immediate things are also a right, like food, clothing and shelter. Do you claim that you have have a right to steal those things from others too?

If you are happy BOcare is unconstitutional why not move to Cuba where you would like the Constitution. Its a quick flight , the weather is good and there is lots and lots of liberal poverty in additional to the free health care. Would you have spied for Stalin too????

 

[Vidi]

And denial of service due to inability to pay is a denial of that right.

ah but if you think health care is a right, then you must think more important and immediate things are also a right, like food, clothing and shelter. Do you claim that you have have a right to steal those things from others too?

If you are happy BOcare is unconstitutional why not move to Cuba where you would like the Constitution. Its a quick flight , the weather is good and there is lots and lots of liberal poverty in additional to the free health care. Would you have spied for Stalin too????

I claim that corporations do not have the right to steal those things from me. Theres a difference.

And the whole "move" argument is a bullshit. Heres a thought...if you dont like the way we are running the country, YOU get the fuck out. We stand with the Constitution. For liberty and freedom for all. Unlike ignorant fucks like you who only vomit out rhetoric and stupidity. Someday you might wake up and think for yourself, until then...dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I claim that corporations do not have the right to steal those things from me.[healthcare,food clothing shelter] Theres a difference.

Of course if Corporations are stealing from you rather than competing worldwide to bring you the best price and quality humanly possible why be so afriad to explain. What does you fear tell you????

We[liberals] stand with the Constitution.

of course that is perfectly stupid given that the Constitution stands for limited government while liberals stand for the exact opposite. Did you think the liberals spied for Stalin because they liked his limited government????

See we are positive that liberal means slow??

 

[Rshermr]

I claim that corporations do not have the right to steal those things from me.[healthcare,food clothing shelter] Theres a difference.

Of course if Corporations are stealing from you rather than competing worldwide to bring you the best price and quality humanly possible why be so afriad to explain. What does you fear tell you????

We[liberals] stand with the Constitution.

of course that is perfectly stupid given that the Constitution stands for limited government while liberals stand for the exact opposite. Did you think the liberals spied for Stalin because they liked his limited government????

See we are positive that liberal means slow??

Ed, really stupid post. Full of dogma with no proof. You are about to get your intellectual ass kicked again, and I am aching to do it. But I refuse to mess with Vidi's fun.

You are such a tea party tool, ed. But you are good for laughs.