Zone1 Knowledge, the forbidden fruit

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Did everyone know that Adam was a black man! Excellent!

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Just kidding

Now on to the subject at hand.

Why did the Bible refer to the forbidden fruit as coming from the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden?

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Why is the tree named the tree of knowledge and why does it bring forth death?

Most glaze over the story as being insignificant, or even made up, but words have meaning. Regardless of whether you believe the story actually happened, there is a message in the story all the same.

I believe the message is, knowledge without wisdom brings death. Specifically, seeking knowledge apart from the wisdom of God is what brings death.

Now whether you agree with my assessment, that this is at least one of the messages in the story, we have a myriad of examples proving that message is correct. Man has a long list of instances where knowledge brought about, or can potentially bring about, much death and misery, all because man had no wisdom to use it correctly.

One such example are genetically modified plants that are resistant to disease and insects. They usually are bigger and easier to grow. See how wonderful knowledge can be? But there is a small problem, they can't reproduce, and if cross pollinated with plants than do reproduce, they make them unable to reproduce. Hence, unleashing unproductive plants on nature could prevent all those plants from reproducing. Last I checked, plants were needed for survival. Scientists are so concerned about it, they have set aside seeds hoping they be available if the worst happens, that is, they can't grow food anymore.

Or maybe you have heard of the story of Oppenheimer, the man responsible for creating the first nuclear bomb.

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Want more stories of knowledge that leads to mass death? How about a futuristic one, namely AI. Artificial Intelligence is just one more technology that is being developed today that has a tremendous potential for unthinkable harm to mankind. The movie "The Terminator" tapped into these fears. Essentially, man is developing an intelligence that is superior to his own. Problem is, that intelligence has no human empathy. Humans without human empathy are referred to as sociopaths. So, what will AI to when it is fed information that human beings are destroying the planet with carbon emissions, something humans hear every day from government and their state-controlled media? Will it seek to terminate humans to save the planet and themselves?

But let's assume AI can be controlled by humans from doing this. What is a despot like Hitler had it to use? Imagine if he had a surveillance state that could watch everything you do and say 24/7. Imagine a world where he used it to calculate every battle to see if he could win, and use it to sway public opinion as AI studies you and learns how to persuade you 24/7. Depots in history have been killing machines, but now their ability has been enhanced to continue to kill in mass by 100 fold or more. Once humanity goes to digital currency, the state will have complete power over you as it will decide if you should purchase what you want to purchase, or if you are even worthy to do so. China now has a social credit system where if they say or do bad things the state does not like, they may not be able to travel or go to the store to buy things, etc. Business today in the US has introduced a similar social credit system, as those who are not woke or environmentally friendly enough have bad scores, which means no one else will want to do business with them or get government perks, etc. Now government and the corporate world have become One, and all held together with AI. Last I checked that is what was used to be called Fascism.

Luckily despots from the past had weaknesses. For example, Hitler was a drug addict and insisted on being in control of military operations, something he was not even qualified to do. This made him more prone to failure. However, what iF AI did most of his tasks, if not all? What if you had a super intelligent bot doing it all for you 24/7? It would have probably let Hitler win the war and the world.

Could AI be the "beast" spoken about in Revelation? And could digital currency be the mark of the beast spoken about in Revelation as people were commanded to take the mark in their right hand or forehead or not be able to buy and sell?

As for many being careful in developing AI, so as to limit it possible harm, that is out of the question because there is an arms race on with it, so caution needs to be thrown to the wind, just like God's wisdom has been thrown to the wind.

You're like that caveman telling everyone fire is going to kill everyone, so people shouldn't start fires, even in a fire pit, because eventually people will fall into the fire or their clothing will catch on fire, or someone will be tempted to start a fire in their hut or in their cave and they'll kill everyone, through smoke inhalation or the fire burning people alive. The tribal authorities should ban fire, lest someone burn the whole village down. Replace fire with AI and the paranoid caveman with you.

AI can develop the cure for cancer and advance our technology 100-fold within a couple of decades. It doesn't take too much wisdom, we don't have to become sages to benefit from AI or AGI.
 
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of course, they should know who wrote the commandment ...



clear as a bell, when being the god figure a little bending is perfectly fine - when for them all's well.



hashev - what's the leeway from you for that one, do you have it nailed to your living room wall the legal document that gives for you and yours who are not sinners ...

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howabout them - you and moses got your stones to teach them a lesson ...

* clue, mary and joseph were never married, the legal document and lived happily everafter, a true 1st century event - funny the jews did not murder them as well.
Wrong, the Harlot Mary who had Yeshu with Panderas a Roman Soldier is a 100BC figure not first century figure.
Joseph Married her as to protect her from being stone according to Matthew.

Now regarding your view of Moses needingvto tell them where the laws come from or even the hidden Torah, he never lied like you assume, because the Hebrew God is not a man nor form nor anthropomorphic in any way, the ESSENCE OF CREATION to be stable and whole(Shalem) and what we could and should be is reflected in the laws(the guide) and Torah's ethos-that help bring us to stability and completion (Shalem).
 
Wrong, the Harlot Mary who had Yeshu with Panderas a Roman Soldier is a 100BC figure not first century figure.
Joseph Married her as to protect her from being stone according to Matthew.

Now regarding your view of Moses needingvto tell them where the laws come from or even the hidden Torah, he never lied like you assume, because the Hebrew God is not a man nor form nor anthropomorphic in any way, the ESSENCE OF CREATION to be stable and whole(Shalem) and what we could and should be is reflected in the laws(the guide) and Torah's ethos-that help bring us to stability and completion (Shalem).

you obviously were among those, the crucifiers who were driven to murder in the 1st century what they feared most, liberation theology, self determination - no they were never married, the legal document and lived happily everafter ... as the example, text of lies used throughout the desert religions - matthew

prove moses was not a liar, provide the tablets they claimed were etched in the heavens with 10 commandments ... the fallacies used for centuries to persecute and victimize the innocent.
 
you obviously were among those, the crucifiers who were driven to murder in the 1st century what they feared most, liberation theology, self determination - no they were never married, the legal document and lived happily everafter ... as the example, text of lies used throughout the desert religions - matthew

prove moses was not a liar, provide the tablets they claimed were etched in the heavens with 10 commandments ... the fallacies used for centuries to persecute and victimize the innocent.
Yeshu was stoned & hanged not crucified, for forbidden magic and sorcery tricks, a Benny Hinn of his day.
The Galilean (Yehuda) in 6bc was crucified BY ROME for his tax revolt and the people allowed Rome because Yehuda was liken to antifa, he and his followers robbed and burned down houses of those who paid the tax.
His 2 sons were also crucified for their Revolt against Rome.
Don't blame the people for what Rome did, relying on Drunk Nazis sympathizer Mel Gibson for your Bible era history is like relying on CNN for your scandal news of the day scoop.
 
Yeshu was stoned & hanged not crucified, for forbidden magic and sorcery tricks, a Benny Hinn of his day.
The Galilean (Yehuda) in 6bc was crucified BY ROME for his tax revolt and the people allowed Rome because Yehuda was liken to antifa, he and his followers robbed and burned down houses of those who paid the tax.
His 2 sons were also crucified for their Revolt against Rome.
Don't blame the people for what Rome did, relying on Drunk Nazis sympathizer Mel Gibson for your Bible era history is like relying on CNN for your scandal news of the day scoop.

really ...

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so says the murderer and liar moses ...

prove moses was not a liar, provide the tablets they claimed were etched in the heavens with 10 commandments ... the fallacies used for centuries to persecute and victimize the innocent.

1st century jesus and those that were persecuted by the jews and christians (romans) died for liberation theology, self determination against the lies of judaism and the c-bible put to text by the crucifiers in the 4th century.
 
Knowledge with or without wisdom brings death
Ignorance with or without wisdom brings death


Death is the only thing we can be sure will visit all of us, regardless of our levels of knowledge or wisdom, eventually.
Old age, disease, accidents, murder, executions, and suicide bring death upon the wise and the foolish.
 
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Knowledge in itself is not a bad thing.

The knowledge that lurked like a serpent in the garden must have been something contrary to God, i.e. other gods.

Nothing in the story is about genetics, nuclear energy, or AI, all of which serve only to advance civilization (albeit with the occasional attendant fear).
All material advances shorten the time until we destroy ourselves.
 
I should know, I'm religious. :)
Thats actually a very good reason why you wouldnt know. Thought and progress has always been oppressed by many religions. Especially the ones that came from the savages in the desert.
 
Thats actually a very good reason why you wouldnt know. Thought and progress has always been oppressed by many religions. Especially the ones that came from the savages in the desert.
The New Testament religion is far different from the Old.
 
The New Testament religion is far different from the Old.
I know. Luckily, God went through rehab and suddenly found love. But that has nothing to do with suppression of knowledge throughout history from religions.
 
In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we believe that we all existed prior to coming to this earth as the spirit children of God the Father. In fact we believe that all who have come to this earth and received a body were valiant in the war in heaven and fought on the side of God the Father, Jesus Christ, and Michael the arch angel. When Satan and his minions were cast out of heaven, they were allowed to come to this earth, for a purpose. They were to serve as the tempters of evil. The rest of us who did not side with Satan were given the opportunity to become more like God.

God has allowed each of us to receive a body of flesh and bones and to come to this temporary mortal life to experience good and evil and see if we are willing to choose good over evil in and of our own free will and choice. When Satan tempted Eve to partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, he mixed a truth with a lie. He said:

Genesis 3:4-5
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

He lied when he told her that, "Ye shall not surely die" but told the truth in that we would become more like God by knowing good and evil. We know this because later in the chapter God tells us:

Genesis 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Here we see that Adam and Eve, by taking the forbidden fruit became more like God. In the Church we believe that God knew before he ever place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden that Adam and Eve would partake of it. In fact this was the very reason it was placed in the garden and Satan was sent unto this earth. Mankind were sent to this earth to experience a temporary world of good and evil and even death so that they would become more knowledgeable and more like God himself. Thus this life is a chance for each of us to progress and become more like God himself. Eventually we will all resurrect and become immortal and live forever. However, based on whether we prefer to live a righteous law or not will determine where we will reside in the next life. We all make mistakes and Jesus has provide the means by which we can repent of our bad ways and receive forgiveness for our shortcomings.

God knew from the beginning that Adam and Eve would partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This is why he placed Satan here amongst us and why he placed the tree in the midst of the garden. The fall was part of the plan of God to help advance his children in their progression in eternity. He only commanded Adam and Eve not to partake so that they would, through their disobedience, be justly subject to the fall. God even chose a Savior before the foundation of this world and thus knew and planned for the fall to occur.
 
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