Zone1 Knowledge, the forbidden fruit

[BreezeWood]

There's more false hope, delusion, and fear of death in the world than in the church (I've experienced both).

did you say what you found is one of the desert religions ... funny how some can be atheist and become religious by reading one of the desert bibles - in fact they all claim the same story ... losers that got even more lost.

sorry, for everyone else who strive to become a better person the choice of slavery over self determination is less than an appealing persuasion for most who truly are or have become religious.

 

[Meriweather]

We are led by the Spirit, not by the Law.

Law: You shall not steal from others.
Spirit: Be generous to others.

One is antithetical to the other.

Not stealing has no relation to a generous spirit? Not stealing seems the first step to sharing and from there to giving. The Law has everything to do with the Spirit.

 

[Woodznutz]

did you say what you found is one of the desert religions ... funny how some can be atheist and become religious by reading one of the desert bibles - in fact they all claim the same story ... losers that got even more lost.

sorry, for everyone else who strive to become a better person the choice of slavery over self determination is less than an appealing persuasion for most who truly are or have become religious.

True, the chains that restrain Christians are shorter than yours, but they don't allow us to go over the cliff and hang ourselves as yours does.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not stealing has no relation to a generous spirit? Not stealing seems the first step to sharing and from there to giving. The Law has everything to do with the Spirit.

There's a mile-wide gap between not stealing and giving. It's a spiritual no-man's-land.

It's the Spirit that gives the nudge away from the strictures of the Law into a whole new way of thinking, and basically leads you to want to do it.

 

[Meriweather]

It's the Spirit that gives the nudge away from the strictures of the Law into a whole new way of thinking.

Then it should nudge you into seeing clearly how the Law relates closely to the Spirit.

 

[ABikerSailor]

As for Christianity, they built the first hospitals and universities and today account for the most charities for the poor. All of these things improved life.

Are you sure that Christianity built the first hospitals?

The History of Hospitals and Wards - HCD Magazine

This history of hospitals covers 2,000 years of how the building type has evolved, from ancient temples to early wards to modern private patient rooms.

healthcaredesignmagazine.com

The first healthcare facilities​

The original facilities for the sick were most likely temples dedicated to “healing gods.” Imhotep was the Egyptian healing god, while Asclepius was revered in the Greek civilization.

Prayers, sacrifices, and dream interpretations played a role in their healing process, but the ancient physicians also stitched wounds, set broken bones, and used opium for pain. Plans for a 5th century BC temple in Athens dedicated to Asclepius show a large room 24 x 108 for multiple dreamer-patients.

Some believe the earliest dedicated hospitals were in Mesopotamia, while other researchers believe they were at Buddhist monasteries in India and Sri Lanka.

Ancient writings indicate that the Sinhalese King Pandukabhaya had hospitals built in present day Sri Lanka in the 4th century BC. The oldest architectural evidence of a hospital appears to be at Mihintale in Sri Lanka, which can be dated to the 9th century AD.

While the first hospitals may have had some religious connotations associated with them, the first ones came WAY before Christianity.

 

[BreezeWood]

True, the chains that restrain Christians are shorter than yours, but they don't allow us to go over the cliff and hang ourselves as yours does.

what chains might those be -

did you claim to be one of them, a 4th century christian by their c-bible written by the crucifiers ... liberation theology, self determination the cause jesus and those in the 1st century gave their lives for is no where found in any of the desert religions much less so christianity.

good luck your new found religion, former atheist - whichever that may be.

 

[Woodznutz]

Then it should nudge you into seeing clearly how the Law relates closely to the Spirit.

That discussion is ongoing. It boils down to personal belief and application as there is no ecclesiastical enforcement of the Law.

 

[Woodznutz]

what chains might those be -

did you claim to be one of them, a 4th century christian by their c-bible written by the crucifiers ... liberation theology, self determination the cause jesus and those in the 1st century gave their lives for is no where found in any of the desert religions much less so christianity.

good luck your new found religion, former atheist - whichever that may be.

Chains = moral and other spirit-led restraints.

The rest of your comment means nothing to me.

 

[BreezeWood]

Chains = moral and other spirit-led restraints.

The rest of your comment means nothing to me.

True, the chains that restrain Christians are shorter than yours, but they don't allow us to go over the cliff and hang ourselves as yours does.

what cliff are you held back from christian by your 4th century c-bible ...

certainly not the cliff of persecution and victimization of the innocent - zealot. curious what turned the corner for you to become one, than being an atheist.

 

[Woodznutz]

what cliff are you held back from christian by your 4th century c-bible ...

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certainly not the cliff of persecution and victimization of the innocent - zealot. curious what turned the corner for you to become one, than being an atheist.

I wasn't always a Christian, but I was never an atheist.

 

[Likkmee]

What race was Adam?

Human

 

[Votto]

That discussion is ongoing. It boils down to personal belief and application as there is no ecclesiastical enforcement of the Law.

Kind of like the Constitution.

So, is a law useful if not enforced?

Interestingly, when the 10 commandments were given to the people there were no punishments associated with them for violating them.

 

[Votto]

Are you sure that Christianity built the first hospitals?

The History of Hospitals and Wards - HCD Magazine

This history of hospitals covers 2,000 years of how the building type has evolved, from ancient temples to early wards to modern private patient rooms.

healthcaredesignmagazine.com

The first healthcare facilities​

The original facilities for the sick were most likely temples dedicated to “healing gods.” Imhotep was the Egyptian healing god, while Asclepius was revered in the Greek civilization.

Prayers, sacrifices, and dream interpretations played a role in their healing process, but the ancient physicians also stitched wounds, set broken bones, and used opium for pain. Plans for a 5th century BC temple in Athens dedicated to Asclepius show a large room 24 x 108 for multiple dreamer-patients.

Some believe the earliest dedicated hospitals were in Mesopotamia, while other researchers believe they were at Buddhist monasteries in India and Sri Lanka.

Ancient writings indicate that the Sinhalese King Pandukabhaya had hospitals built in present day Sri Lanka in the 4th century BC. The oldest architectural evidence of a hospital appears to be at Mihintale in Sri Lanka, which can be dated to the 9th century AD.

While the first hospitals may have had some religious connotations associated with them, the first ones came WAY before Christianity.

Naturally, people have always sought healing, but was it for themselves or as an outreach to all people, whether poor or not?

Charity to the poor does not seem to be a pre-Christian value, especially to those in society that had no societal value.

 

[Woodznutz]

Kind of like the Constitution.

So, is a law useful if not enforced?

Interestingly, when the 10 commandments were given to the people there were no punishments associated with them for violating them.

Punishment came soon after the law was given.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Naturally, people have always sought healing, but was it for themselves or as an outreach to all people, whether poor or not?

Charity to the poor does not seem to be a pre-Christian value, especially to those in society that had no societal value.

Really? Are you seriously trying to claim that Christians are who brought about the idea of charity to the poor? Might wanna re-check your sources, as charity for the poor was something that has existed in Jewish (which predates Christianity) religion.

 

[Woodznutz]

Really? Are you seriously trying to claim that Christians are who brought about the idea of charity to the poor? Might wanna re-check your sources, as charity for the poor was something that has existed in Jewish (which predates Christianity) religion.

Judaism predates Christianity by less than 200 years.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Judaism predates Christianity by less than 200 years.

Doesn't change my original statement. Christianity IS NOT the first bunch of people to come up with the idea of charity for those less fortunate. And, I think you dropped a zero, as Judaism predates Christianity by a whole bunch more than just two hundred years.

 

[Woodznutz]

Doesn't change my original statement. Christianity IS NOT the first bunch of people to come up with the idea of charity for those less fortunate. And, I think you dropped a zero, as Judaism predates Christianity by a whole bunch more than just two hundred years.

Judaism originated with the sect of the Pharisees, less than 200 BCE. They replaced the Levites as the authoritarians of the religion.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Judaism originated with the sect of the Pharisees, less than 200 BCE. They replaced the Levites as the authoritarians of the religion.

Might wanna do some research..................

Origins of Judaism - Wikipedia

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The origins of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, specifically evolving out of the polytheistic ancient Canaanite religion, then co-existing with Babylonian religion, and syncretizing elements of Babylonian belief into the worship of Yahweh as reflected in the early prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible.

During the Iron Age I, the Israelite religion became distinct from the Canaanite polytheism out of which it evolved. This process began with the development of Yahwism, the monolatristic worship of Yahweh, one of the Canaanite gods, that gave acknowledgment to the existence of the other Canaanite gods, but suppressed their worship. Later, this monolatristic belief cemented into a strict monotheistic belief and worship of Yahweh alone, with the rejection of the existence of all other gods, whether Canaanite or foreign.

History of Christianity - Wikipedia

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Early Christianity (c. 31/33–324)[edit]​

Main article: History of early Christianity
Early Christianity is generally reckoned by church historians to begin with the ministry of Jesus (c. 27–30) and end with the First Council of Nicaea (325). It is typically divided into two periods: the Apostolic Age (c. 30–100, when the first apostles were still alive) and the Ante-Nicene Period (c. 100–325).[68]


Judaism was already well established and a major religion when Jesus (who incidentally was Jewish) came around. Christianity started with the ministry of Jesus, and later, Paul.