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I answered this a long time ago:
For the newbies I'll repeat it.
The center of the garden where the 2 rivers meet was ancient Persia where Zoroastrian and Mithraism was popular and brought to Rome through head soldier Lucius, the Nazarenes admit they took much from Zoroastrianism (says the apochrypha)
This converging and compiling mythologies and cultures is warned because it mixes both knowledge that is good (Torah) and doctrines that are evil (pagan mythologies and Egyptian underworld & Greek death cultism). When they eat of this and have the knowledge they will become like us means they will become like the hosts (kohanim/priests) who is the context of the "US" spoken of. They will become like G-d means they will take this forbidden compilation and make themselves a false temple and false hierarchy of hosts (cardinals and Bishops liken to US the Kohanim) and the Pope (liken to the head priest)makes himself as a G-d just as the bible in Genesis did warn. Rome was famous for stealing people's deities by conquering them, telling them their deity no longer favored them, then set up a temple for that deity in their own territory claiming to be the new authority including setting up new books and new false doctrines. This is what they did with the deity Juno and what they did in destroying the Jerusalem Temple with stealing YHWH, claiming he was now in disfavor with the Jews they fooled people into believing they were now the authority and temple.They thus made themselves the new (impostor) Hosts and Pope set up as the new (impostor) father in heaven.
You see Adam in Hebrew the word means man and represents man in the deeper sense. EVE is not Adam's (man's) first wife (Israel or Jerusalem Temple-Lilith), thus Eve is the next bride (representing the church)thus the serpent (false prophet) convinced Eve to eat from his tree that she would not die (the created character Jesus himself said such words)and Eve (church) convinced Adam (Man) to also stray and what fruit did they partake of, an APPLE? But Apples aren't indigenous and the fruit is not mentioned in the bible??Surely mankind has subconsciously revealed this forbidden fruit as 'A PAUL' who wrote 1/2-3/4 the NT and thus his forbidden fruit is revealed-it mixes knowledge that is both good and helpful and bad and harmful, hence the warning using the term "wormwood" a Bitter poisonous deadly herb. People were made bitter & mean and poisonous -deadly (over 50 million murders & thousands of wars) over this good word-knowledge that is both good and evil.
This converging and compiling mythologies and cultures is warned because it mixes both knowledge that is good (Torah) and doctrines that are evil (pagan mythologies and Egyptian underworld & Greek death cultism).
Both Abrahamic religions are influenced by the story of Abraham in regards to always welcoming and being kind to strangers, Moses gave us laws to live by and long road trips.really, what in the desert religions is not written by moses in the desert religions documents concerning humanities initial destiny - the motivation of a&e ... rather the true origin representing self determination, liberation theology than servitude to a fictitious god. a serpent.
They were as god's. Read Psalm 82. Read Romans 1 and James 5.The serpent tempted them by saying, "Eat and you shall be as gods"
In other words, they were relying on their own wisdom for the first time.
That’s ridiculous. Unfortunately for you, Christianity loves knowledge, and the Catholic Churchs history is filled with leading thought and scientific discovery while the rest of the world could barely function.Knowledge is the antithesis of religion.
Religion is built around ignorance. "well we dont know the answer so.... a god did it"
Catholics used to punish people for thinking and discovering. LOL You arent making much sense.That’s ridiculous. Unfortunately for you, Christianity loves knowledge, and the Catholic Churchs history is filled with leading thought and scientific discovery while the rest of the world could barely function.
It’s the outsiders who say “if we can explain it, it is void of God”, which is untrue. The universe, and all the laws that guide it, is the pallet on which God paints, and we do our best to understand it scientifically. I know that frustrates you. But, you clearly have a hang up and/or ax to grind, so… stay static and rigid trying to erroneously define us while we delight in further understanding the universe
No, it was for heresy.. they discovered tons of modern science… you just don’t care to even know what you’re attacking.Catholics used to punish people for thinking and discovering. LOL You arent making much sense.
Yeah heresy against the church because he didnt fall in line LOL. Same with Giordano Bruno. Again, you arent making much sense.No, it was for heresy.. they discovered tons of modern science… you just don’t care to even know what you’re attacking.
Galileo? Wasn’t even the most radical scientist in the church.
The Big Bang theory? Created by a catholic priest..
Evolution? First proposed by catholic scientist
Geology, genetics, the list goes on. You appear to by into the bumper sticker pseudo history
Here’s basic wiki if you’re curious of knowing anything beyond your surface level misinformation
Science and the Catholic Church - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Again… it wasn’t because of his science, plenty of other Catholic scientists believed similar or more radical theories. It was his heretical statements that got him in trouble and put on house arrest, which is quite civilized compared to the rest of the non-Christian world at the time (which would involve you)Yeah heresy against the church because he didnt fall in line LOL. Same with Giordano Bruno. Again, you arent making much sense.
Wrong. Again.Again… it wasn’t because of his science, plenty of other Catholic scientists believed similar or more radical theories. It was his heretical statements that got him in trouble and put on house arrest, which is quite civilized compared to the rest of the non-Christian world at the time (which would involve you)
You’re incorrect, but don’t let that stop you, I’m sure you’ll continue to regurgitate disinformation out of your disdain. Again, we’ll continue to delight in understanding the universe while you get mad at us.
Your source doesn’t even begin to address the why:Wrong. Again.
It WAS because of his science. He even got told years before, he had to drop the subject or he would be arrested. Then he wrote a book about it, and the snowflakes got all tore up. THEN, it took them 300 years to admit their bible was wrong and the Earth revolves around the sun.
Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for now following doctrine.
The Churches order for Galileo
“We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo… have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world.”
Along with the order came the following penalty: “We order that by a public edict the book of Dialogues of Galileo Galilei be prohibited, and We condemn thee to the prison of this Holy Office during Our will and pleasure; and as a salutary penance We enjoin on thee that for the space of three years thou shalt recite once a week the Seven Penitential Psalms.”
Dont you just love learning?
Good lordYour source doesn’t even begin to address the why:
Centuries earlier, Aristotle had refuted heliocentrism, and by Galileo’s time, nearly every major thinker subscribed to a geocentric view. Copernicus refrained from publishing his heliocentric theory for some time, not out of fear of censure from the Church but out of fear of ridicule from his colleagues.
Many people wrongly believe Galileo proved heliocentrism. He could not answer the strongest argument against it, which had been made nearly two thousand years earlier by Aristotle: If heliocentrism were true, then there would be observable parallax shifts in the stars’ positions as the earth moved in its orbit around the sun. However, given the technology of Galileo’s time, no such shifts in their positions could be observed. It would require more sensitive measuring equipment than was available in Galileo’s day to document the existence of these shifts, given the stars’ great distance. Until then, the available evidence suggested that the stars were fixed in their positions relative to the earth, and, thus, that the earth and the stars were not moving in space—only the sun, moon, and planets were. Most astronomers in that day were not convinced of the great distance of the stars that the Copernican theory required to account for the absence of observable parallax shifts. This is one of the main reasons why the respected astronomer Tycho Brahe refused to adopt Copernicus fully.
Galileo could have safely proposed heliocentrism as a theory or a method to more simply account for the planets’ motions. His problem arose when he stopped proposing it as a scientific theory and began proclaiming it as truth, though there was no conclusive proof of it at the time. Even so, Galileo would not have been in so much trouble if he had chosen to stay within the realm of science and out of the realm of theology.
In 1614, Galileo felt compelled to answer the charge that this “new science” was contrary to certain Scripture passages. His opponents pointed to Bible passages with statements like, “And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed . . .” (Josh. 10:13). This is not an isolated occurrence. Psalms 93 and 104 and Ecclesiastes 1:5 also speak of celestial motion and terrestrial stability. A literalistic reading of these passages would have to be abandoned if the heliocentric theory were adopted. Yet this should not have posed a problem. As Augustine put it, “One does not read in the Gospel that the Lord said: ‘I will send you the Paraclete who will teach you about the course of the sun and moon.’ For he willed to make them Christians, not mathematicians.” Following Augustine’s example, Galileo urged caution in not interpreting these biblical statements too literally.
The Galileo Controversy
The Galileo case, for many anti-Catholics, is thought to prove that the Church abhors science, refuses to abandon outdated teachings and is not infallible.www.catholic.com
Galileo got in trouble because he claimed to know more than the church based on an unproven theory… and claimed to know more about the Bible than the church… thus, heresy, not plain science.
Dont YOU live learning?
Both Abrahamic religions are influenced by the story of Abraham in regards to always welcoming and being kind to strangers, Moses gave us laws to live by and long road trips.
The knowledge that lurked like a serpent in the garden must have been something contrary to God, i.e. other gods.
Just a tip:Good lord
Instead of using the actual charges against him, you use a revisionist CATHOLIC source LOL
Bumper sticker claims are the actual charges from the church?Just a tip:
The fact that you disagree with something doesn’t make it “revisionist”. What in what I provided was False? America was flooded anti-Catholic propaganda by Protestants upon its founding, with talking points like yours.
Just because a catholic source adds inconvenient context and disputes/debunks your surface-level, modern cliche bumper sticker claims doesn’t mean you have to run away from the discussion. You really ought to demand more of yourself here. Come on, why don’t you grow a pair
Yep, won’t even address a cross examination of your claim. You’re the one hiding not me. Run along child.Bumper sticker claims are the actual charges from the church?
Lying and being a hack wont get you very far with me, buddy.
Enjoy your lies. Good day.
and if Eve came out of a rib? I know rib meat can be dark, but the rib itself is more white than...
Did everyone know that Adam was a black man! Excellent!
Just kidding
Now on to the subject at hand.
Why did the Bible refer to the forbidden fruit as coming from the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden?
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Why is the tree named the tree of knowledge and why does it bring forth death?
Most glaze over the story as being insignificant, or even made up, but words have meaning. Regardless of whether you believe the story actually happened, there is a message in the story all the same.
I believe the message is, knowledge without wisdom brings death. Specifically, seeking knowledge apart from the wisdom of God is what brings death.
Now whether you agree with my assessment, that this is at least one of the messages in the story, we have a myriad of examples proving that message is correct. Man has a long list of instances where knowledge brought about, or can potentially bring about, much death and misery, all because man had no wisdom to use it correctly.
One such example are genetically modified plants that are resistant to disease and insects. They usually are bigger and easier to grow. See how wonderful knowledge can be? But there is a small problem, they can't reproduce, and if cross pollinated with plants than do reproduce, they make them unable to reproduce. Hence, unleashing unproductive plants on nature could prevent all those plants from reproducing. Last I checked, plants were needed for survival. Scientists are so concerned about it, they have set aside seeds hoping they be available if the worst happens, that is, they can't grow food anymore.
Or maybe you have heard of the story of Oppenheimer, the man responsible for creating the first nuclear bomb.
Want more stories of knowledge that leads to mass death? How about a futuristic one, namely AI. Artificial Intelligence is just one more technology that is being developed today that has a tremendous potential for unthinkable harm to mankind. The movie "The Terminator" tapped into these fears. Essentially, man is developing an intelligence that is superior to his own. Problem is, that intelligence has no human empathy. Humans without human empathy are referred to as sociopaths. So, what will AI to when it is fed information that human beings are destroying the planet with carbon emissions, something humans hear every day from government and their state-controlled media? Will it seek to terminate humans to save the planet and themselves?
But let's assume AI can be controlled by humans from doing this. What is a despot like Hitler had it to use? Imagine if he had a surveillance state that could watch everything you do and say 24/7. Imagine a world where he used it to calculate every battle to see if he could win, and use it to sway public opinion as AI studies you and learns how to persuade you 24/7. Depots in history have been killing machines, but now their ability has been enhanced to continue to kill in mass by 100 fold or more. Once humanity goes to digital currency, the state will have complete power over you as it will decide if you should purchase what you want to purchase, or if you are even worthy to do so. China now has a social credit system where if they say or do bad things the state does not like, they may not be able to travel or go to the store to buy things, etc. Business today in the US has introduced a similar social credit system, as those who are not woke or environmentally friendly enough have bad scores, which means no one else will want to do business with them or get government perks, etc. Now government and the corporate world have become One, and all held together with AI. Last I checked that is what was used to be called Fascism.
Luckily despots from the past had weaknesses. For example, Hitler was a drug addict and insisted on being in control of military operations, something he was not even qualified to do. This made him more prone to failure. However, what iF AI did most of his tasks, if not all? What if you had a super intelligent bot doing it all for you 24/7? It would have probably let Hitler win the war and the world.
Could AI be the "beast" spoken about in Revelation? And could digital currency be the mark of the beast spoken about in Revelation as people were commanded to take the mark in their right hand or forehead or not be able to buy and sell?
As for many being careful in developing AI, so as to limit it possible harm, that is out of the question because there is an arms race on with it, so caution needs to be thrown to the wind, just like God's wisdom has been thrown to the wind.
I had once stated that the only thing that could leave such a complex coded Torah intertwined with the accts & story and accurate future revelation and symbolism based on info only the future held, is a complex fast computer used by the future to guide us quicker out of the archaic past, in other words make us more stable faster, however I also stated the guard rails in creation that cause -cause and affect,Knowledge in itself is not a bad thing.
The knowledge that lurked like a serpent in the garden must have been something contrary to God, i.e. other gods.
Nothing in the story is about genetics, nuclear energy, or AI, all of which serve only to advance civilization (albeit with the occasional attendant fear).
There's a distinction between Moses being a Killer of a subversive harmful man and the forbidden to murder that requires context, so by taking it out of context and changing the narrative, you are being disingenuous.provide the stone tablets claimed by the liar and murderer moses etched in the heavens with 10 commandments -
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” - this is a lie, the heavens sent a&e on their journey not an antecedent moses, their religion of servitude - to himself. -
“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.” - moses, the supreme egomaniac ... the gods of the heavens are as plentiful as the needs of the universe require, all being equal, purity of spirit - as their true religion requires.
There's a distinction between Moses being a Killer of a subversive harmful man and the forbidden to murder that requires context, so by taking it out of context and changing the narrative, you are being disingenuous.
The story allows us to learn that even righteous men can be in gray areas of the law in order to achieve greater good or protect others in harm. Like when we sacrifice in battles to save our fellow man. "Killing" Nazis was not murder, it's a double negative-to kill that which murders is a positive result just as you would remove a tumor or cancer, are you murdering cancer or merely killing it?
The sin of Moses was something
" only later" the Community frowned upon, and that was his Magic tricks-or using his Egyptian Royal education and knowledge to amaze the under educated non worldly rubes who didn't grasp his secrets of his wonders.
Moses would have been educated and knowledgable of the region to know how to get water from the flow within the rocks, and know about the exhausted migrating birds which were food falling from the sky. Etc....
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
