Killing Heart patients

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  1. The Irish Ram
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    Obamacare has been penalizing hospitals that have repeat admittance of patients. $150,000 per repeat.
     
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    DIms will run with this and say we need a single payer system

    The GOP will just ignore it and refuse to repeal Obamacare

    Either way we lose.
     
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    Dear ScienceRocks
    In America we can have and develop equal choice of public and private programs.
    It's BOTH not either or.

    We have BOTH the Choice to
    Invest in state or federal care
    Or other model nonprofits such as:
    St Jude Children Hospital
    Doctor's Without borders
    Americares
    Catholic charities, hospitals and foster or adoption programs
    Etc

    Somalia doesn't have the FREE CHOICE of resources that America has.

    ScienceRocks why are you suddenly against FREE CHOICE when it comes to medical and health care programs?
    It's the similar concept in not wanting govt in control of reproductive and birth control choices! If you want PEOPLE to have freedom of choice NOT DICTATED BY GOVT, that's what we're asking for health care decisions

    You come across like Prolife people who think govt laws REGULATING abortion are the "only way" that's going to work.

    And saying do you want to move to CHINA where abortions are forced?

    China doesn't have free choice.
    And neither does Somalia.

    The objection and complaint is that you are "taking away free choice" by REQUIRING health care go through govt where "any other choices are Penalized"

    If Prolife did that with the choice of abortion being "penalized by govt and tax fines" you and I would both yell for separation of church and state.

    And the same applies to free choice of health care without being fined or punished by govt!!!
     
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    Please prove that statement.
     
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    The incentive is to kill patients.
     
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    China is the most famous for killing heart patients. That one has a state hospital system that receives the pension redirected from the heart patient. So they collect all the cash and keep the heart patient alive at minimum cost, no pain killers, massive collateral injuries including rib fractures, no heating, no food, the slowest form of death and most painful, because you are hooked to machines that beep if you dare die. Hehehe. Catch this one, Obama death panels.
     
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    The #1 cause of cardiac death is the cardiologist and his blood pressure scam/medicines. Quit fucking eating garbage and drink at least 3 cups of hibiscus tea per day. Good to go.
     
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    Isn't heart attack one of the best ways to die? I mean look at the alternatives, cancer, liver failure, lung collapse, brain desease, priapism. Heart attack is the best, isn't it?
     
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    BTW ScienceRocks "Limited" govt is not the same as Small.
    It means to focus FEDERAL govt on just FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL duties
    that federal govt can provide better between states and for the nation, like national
    security and military defense.

    The other functions especially SOCIAL programs that require INDIVIDUAL
    and PERSONAL choices are relegated to STATES and PEOPLE so we have more local control.

    You SAY you don't want prolife, or Christians or Republicans/Conservatives
    making decisions for you, right? about your health care, your prochoice/reproductive decisions
    and now this whole LGBT field of issues and policies/practices.

    So that's why you DON'T want to inject your PERSONAL PRIVATE matters
    into Federal govt, and you don't want Federal Govt injecting itself into your personal beliefs, choices and affairs.

    The problem ScienceRocks is Liberals "imagine" that the liberal LGBT and right to health care
    agenda can be injected and embedded on a federal level where you expect "all decisions to
    be made your way"

    But that's NOT how federal govt works. Federal govt has to represent ALL states and ALL people
    of ALL beliefs. So your beliefs are only a fraction of what federal govt has to represent and include.

    You are making the same mistake as Christians and prolife who expect to
    impose and "establish that agenda" through govt for EVERYONE to follow.

    Well if "right to life" can't be imposed through govt because it is a belief that other people oppose,
    the same applies to "right to health care"

    If "heterosexual marriage only" can't be imposed through govt and force everyone to
    agree to those beliefs about marriage, neither can "same sex marriage" be incorporated
    and endorsed through govt if THAT violates beliefs of others who reject that as well!

    The other problem is we have never directly and specifically addressed
    "political beliefs" as a form of Religious belief and free exercise.
    But Political religions ARE a form of belief. They are different and more
    difficult to manage BECAUSE they involve govt and hard to separate from
    the very institution these "political religions and beliefs" are based on.

    So we'd either need to AGREE on govt policy in order to be fair to all beliefs.
    Or set up internal localized govt where people and taxpayers
    can SEPARATE the funding and jurisdiction of their beliefs
    and still have them operate through a form of govt that provides public access
    BY FREE CHOICE. It just can 't be FORCED on people.

    People are not required to use federal reserve money
    except when paying govt or other institutions that require using it.

    It is perfectly legal to issue and circulate independent currency
    within local geographic regions where people and businesses
    agree to accept that currency. So we can do the same
    with setting up local administrative and service cooperatives
    and credit unions to manage health care and taxes/finances
    paid into programs to serve those members who choose them.

    That would make more sense constitutionally than imposing
    either right to life or right to health care through govt
    against the beliefs of half the nation, and expect people
    to comply and be willing to give up their free choice to federal govt controls!
     
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    I guess it depends on the situation anotherlife
    I wouldn't mind dying of a heart attack in the middle
    of eating a delicious steak dinner at my favorite restaurant.
    What a way to go, with a great last meal!

    But if I were a Congressman caught with my pants down
    having a gay affair in the office, where someone caught
    us on camera and I had a heart attack and died on the spot,
    Nope. That would not be too cool.
    I would NOT want to be remembered that way!
     
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