Killing Heart patients

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  1. Manonthestreet
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    Researchers found that the 30-day readmission rate (adjusted for patient risk) declined to 18.4% from 20% after the penalties were introduced. Yet the 30-day mortality rate increased to 8.6% from 7.2%—about 5,400 additional deaths per year. Over a one-year period the readmission rate fell by 0.9 percentage points while the mortality rate rose by five. In other words, while fewer patients were being readmitted, many more were dying. ObamaCare’s Death Payments
    New regs on medicare patients and readmission rates caused this. We are now playing the same games with general populace that VA plays......
     
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    Those who act surprised by this or try to explain this as a statistical anomaly, those are the people who don’t understand what happens when healthcare is regulated by large government.
     
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    People that have heartattacks won't even be able to get help at all if it wasn't for obamacare.
     
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    Dear Manonthestreet and BuckToothMoron
    if anyone needs more proof that you can't rely on Federal Govt
    to manage global programs for whole populations,
    just ask anyone in 3 states affected by hurricane flooding:
    How is FEMA going? What is the status of the claims?
    You'll get a bunch of complaints of no communication, long lines,
    busy signals for 2 hours before being cut off, constantly changing, confusing or wrong instructions, denials and rejections for no reason,
    impossible delays and lower payouts than people can afford, etc.
    All under an overrun system with too many people with diverse
    cases and details that the Federal agencies are not equipped to handle.

    And this is only for 3 major states: TX LA and CA.
    If you add Puerto Rico, they are going through worse.

    So ask your nearest Democrat member, leader or supporter
    of federalized health care:
    If FEMA cannot even manage the demands of the population
    of THREE STATES where not even the whole state was affected
    but just certain populations concentrated around certain cities or
    coastal areas,
    HOW DO YOU EXPECT FEDERAL GOVT
    TO MANAGE ALL 50 STATES' ENTIRE POPULATIONS???

    You have witnesses across 3 states to
    interview and survey as a 'sample'.

    The Feds can't even handle that segment.
    And you expect the Federal Govt to handle
    the populations of 50 states totalling over 300 million???
     
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    Don't have to look.

    It's WSJ is it not?
     
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    ScienceRocks
    People with Schizophrenia, cancer, diabetes, drug addictions, and other mental and physical diseases, including deadly terminal cases and even criminal illnesses, ALSO couldn't get help to save their lives
    if it weren't for spiritual healing that is free and does more to cure
    people than medicine alone.

    Yet govt cannot force people to participate in that either.

    There are a lot of things that can save lives, but that doesn't
    justify abusing govt to force choices on people.

    What we need is to give people equal choice and let
    people PAY for the programs they want to work.

    So ScienceRocks if you believe in universal care, then pay for it,
    require other believers in it to pay and be under it, and manage it
    for everyone who consents to be under that plan.
    If people DON'T believe in govt health care, then they don't pay into it,
    and don't get benefits under it.

    If people believe in recreational drug use, and the cost to their lives
    brains mental health etc, let them pay for the consequences and let them choose to risk their health later on.

    If you are willing to pay for it, sure you should have that choice!

    What is conflicting and violating people's rights and beliefs is
    IMPOSING beliefs on people and making them pay against their will,
    whether "right to life" is imposed on prochoice people who refuse;
    or whether "right to health care" is imposed on free market people.
    The effect is the same: people want FREEDOM to consent to programs
    and policies in order to preserve our right to choose.

    ScienceRocks if you can understand how oppressive it feels
    for prochoice people to fight to keep prolife people from pushing
    that bias on policy into govt and force others to pay and be under it,
    perhaps you can understand how people feel who believe in
    free market and making the right decisions for themselves
    yet are being insulted, attacked, penalized and bullied
    for refusing to comply with forced mandates through govt
    that violate free choice.

    Of all the liberal minded people on here, I hope you may
    be one of the few intelligent and astute enough to understand
    this critical comparison.

    Can you understand the "parallel" between
    * prochoice people refusing to be under prolife laws that imposed BELIEFS that "right to life" should be required by law for EVERYONE
    * free market people refusing and rejecting tax mandates and penalties
    imposing the BELIEF that "right to health care" should be forced on everyone to pay for

    Do you understand that
    * if prochoice people do not want to lose the "freedom to choose abortion" by penalizing this choice
    * then why take away choices and force FINES on people who believe in "free market CHOICES" and don't want to lose freedom to choose HOW TO PAY FOR HEALTH CARE WITH OR WITHOUT GOVT

    If the choice of abortion can't be regulated or fined, by imposing BELIEFS about right to life being more important than freedom,
    why should the choice of paying for health care be penalized?


    If abortion can be prevented other ways besides govt mandates banning that choice, why can't lives be saved by providing health care OTHER WAYS besides govt mandates penalizing any other choice?
     
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    The small government whine is just another excuse to let people die and let everything fall apart. It is just dumb...If that is what you want move to somalia where there's next to no government.
     
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    your rant doesnt fit the facts....
     
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    Right, before BOcare all heart attacks were fatal. Seriously dude, do you stop and read your post before hitting send?
     
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    Spot on! Take a look at the VA Healthcare system. Horribly managed and problems run amok. But our federal government thinks they can scale up it up 10 times and it’ll be smooth sailing.
     

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