Justifiable use of deadly force or not?

[HereWeGoAgain]

Justified. If the guy on the ground was in fear of his safety.

So as long as your afraid, your justified in taking another mans life? Taking another mans life is dependent on your emotional state?

The guy assaulted him.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Would it be ok for a child to do this on the play ground? Since when does the punishment for assault involve the DEATH PENALTY? Has anyone ever been given the death penalty for pushing a man to the ground in the United States?

Whens the last time you saw a child kill out of anger?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Let the court and a jury decide.

How would you decide if you were on the jury based on the video evidence?

The jury has no say in this matter.
It's state law.

Huh?

Go back to high school. Everyone accused of a critical.e has the right to a jury trial.

He wont be charged.

 

[ozro]

Let the court and a jury decide.

How would you decide if you were on the jury based on the video evidence?

I honestly do not know, as the information in a news article surely leaves out important details that will be revealed during a trial.

Very unlikely there'll be a trial.

There will. I can tell you that from personal experience .

 

[OODA_Loop]

Would it be ok for a child to do this on the play ground? Since when does the punishment for assault involve the DEATH PENALTY? Has anyone ever been given the death penalty for pushing a man to the ground in the United States?

So Doctor it is your sworn testimony and professional medical opinion that shoving a person down onto a paved surface can and will cause great bodily injury and you have personally seen patients die from head strikes against pavement from such acts and falls ?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Let the court and a jury decide.

How would you decide if you were on the jury based on the video evidence?

I honestly do not know, as the information in a news article surely leaves out important details that will be revealed during a trial.

Very unlikely there'll be a trial.

There will. I can tell you that from personal experience .

And what personal experience would that be and where did it play out?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Takeaway = Don't put your hands on others.

Someone may punch your ticket.

 

[ozro]

Let the court and a jury decide.

How would you decide if you were on the jury based on the video evidence?

I honestly do not know, as the information in a news article surely leaves out important details that will be revealed during a trial.

Very unlikely there'll be a trial.

There will. I can tell you that from personal experience .

And what personal experience would that be and where did it play out?

Apache County Az, Feb.2016.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

How would you decide if you were on the jury based on the video evidence?

I honestly do not know, as the information in a news article surely leaves out important details that will be revealed during a trial.

Very unlikely there'll be a trial.

There will. I can tell you that from personal experience .

And what personal experience would that be and where did it play out?

Apache County Az, Feb.2016.

Than you need to look at Florida law.

 

[U2Edge]

Justified. If the guy on the ground was in fear of his safety.

So as long as your afraid, your justified in taking another mans life? Taking another mans life is dependent on your emotional state?

I think you are just trolling. Being in fear of your life is a legal state. You don't that getting violently shoved to the ground made him happy do you?

Really. How about being afraid because someone is yelling at you an appears aggressive? You think its legal to shoot someone if their just yelling at you because it makes you feel afraid? What if the person is AFRAID because of the way someone looks?

 

[Thinker101]

Justified. If the guy on the ground was in fear of his safety.

So as long as your afraid, your justified in taking another mans life? Taking another mans life is dependent on your emotional state?

The guy assaulted him.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Would it be ok for a child to do this on the play ground? Since when does the punishment for assault involve the DEATH PENALTY? Has anyone ever been given the death penalty for pushing a man to the ground in the United States?

Hmmm....I may have missed that part, did someone die?

 

[ozro]

Then let us watch as it plays out in the Fla court system

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Justified. If the guy on the ground was in fear of his safety.

So as long as your afraid, your justified in taking another mans life? Taking another mans life is dependent on your emotional state?

The guy assaulted him.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Would it be ok for a child to do this on the play ground? Since when does the punishment for assault involve the DEATH PENALTY? Has anyone ever been given the death penalty for pushing a man to the ground in the United States?

Hmmm....I may have missed that part, did someone die?

Yeah the dudes dead.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Then let us watch as it plays out in the Fla court system

Stand your ground.
Case dismissed.

 

[OODA_Loop]

So how many people in the United States have been given the DEATH PENALTY for pushing someone to the ground?

Pushing someone onto the pavement is reasonable belief of great bodily harm.

 

[U2Edge]

Let the court and a jury decide.

How would you decide if you were on the jury based on the video evidence?

I honestly do not know, as the information in a news article surely leaves out important details that will be revealed during a trial.

The video, that is part of the new article shows the ENTIRE incident. There are no other details that are relevant. Its all there. The jury will be making their decision on the video evidence which you can view from the article. The youtube link does not show the whole incident, but the news article has video that does.

 

[jon_berzerk]

justified

keep your hands to yourself

 

[ozro]

Then let us watch as it plays out in the Fla court system

Stand your ground.
Case dismissed.

In my case, that is what happened. There was still a trial.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Go back to high school. Everyone accused of a critical.e has the right to a jury trial.

You don't even know how wrong you are and are condescending to boot.

Sorry your girl lost.

 

[JoeMoma]

I would not be surprised if there is a Trial. Why? George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin!

 

[night_son]

Justifiable use of deadly force or not?

In the link below is an article with a video that shows a "stand your ground" incident in Clearwater Florida. A women illegally parked in a handicapped spot and got into an argument with a man who confronted her about it. The women's boyfriend, who was in the store at the time, comes out to see the argument and pushes the man to the ground. With the man on the ground he pulls out a gun and aims at the man who assaulted him. The man who committed the assault then backs up. Despite backing away, the man fires his gun anyways hitting the man in the chest. The injured man then runs into the store where he collapses on the ground and dies in front of his five your old son.


My opinion:

Both the women and her boyfriend committed illegal acts which led to the incident. But, I do not feel the man who was assaulted was justified in shooting his attacker. The Attacker had backed off after the gun was pulled. Parking in handicap spot and pushing someone to the ground or both illegal, but punishment for those actions would never warrant the death penalty. Had the attacker continued to assault or move towards the man pushed to the ground, then you might have a case where shooting the gun might be warranted. But that is not what happened. The attacker backed away after the gun was pulled. Then he was shot and killed, dying in front of his five year old son in the store. The man has two other children as well.

I've seen people get pushed to the ground like that in the school yard. Its wrong, you have a right to defend yourself. But in this case, taking another mans life was NOT justified. Call the police and the film of the incident would be enough evidence to punish the attacker in an appropriate manner.

The article and video of the incident are in the link below:

https://nypost.com/2018/07/20/stand...r-in-deadly-fight-over-parking-space-sheriff/

media link from youtube:

On one hand, the shooter was armed and looking for trouble. On the other, the shooting victim shoved him with enough force to possibly break his sternum. I have to agree with the OP on the grounds that the assault did not continue. However, would the assault have continued had the shooter not drawn his firearm? On the surface it seem at least to me, the situation had stabilized after the weapon was drawn. An interesting case to follow.