Judge Ken Starr just sank Nancy's "Impeachment of Trump"

[Ray From Cleveland]

How is he obstructing Congress? They didn’t go through proper protocols and as the Executive Branch he is their equal.

No he is not. They have the power to investigate, impeach and remove the Executive. He is not a King and his authority is not absolute. His blanket refusal to allow any and all requested testimony or documents to Congress is unprecedented and grants the Executive the absolute power to block any and all investigations into his conduct.

Then DumBama should have been impeached as well, since he too withheld documents from the Republican House.

Absolutely they should have, if he, like ol'Trumpybear, refused any and all documents and testimony relating to any and all investigation the House was pursuing. In fact if President Obama had done that, the Democrats would have made Joe President imo. Hell they sided with Republicans against Obama when he tried to close Gitmo in one of his first EO's.

Nah, his administration provided reams of documents and never told anyone the did not have to comply with Congressional subpoenas.

The Facts Behind Obama’s Executive Privilege Claim — ProPublica

Didn't the House overwhelmingly and with bipartisan support hold Holder in Contempt of Congress too over one set of documents? Trumpybear claims privilege over everything. But not one single Trumpublican will break ranks.

But the facts are not on his side and the American people are seeing the facts.

You don't turn over documents you approve of giving if it's subpoenaed by Congress. You give all or you don't. By Democrats terms, that's still an obstruction of Congress, and trust me, from this point on, we will not be going through the court system next time it happens. Impeachment, and that's it.

There was no good faith effort on the part of the Trumpybear White House to come to an accommodation with the House's requests. It was a blanket refusal that if Obama had tried, Democrats would have ushered him out the door and installed Good Old Joe instead. But Trumpublicans support their King's absolute authority, or they don't trust Pence.

CRS Executive Privilege

Oh sure, that's what Democrats would have done. Clinton committed a felony which was undisputed, and they still didn't usher him out the door.

There didn't have to be any good faith anything on behalf of Trump or any other President. Congress wants documents from the executive, the executive believes those documents should not be released to Congress, and then it goes to the courts for them to decide based on separation of powers. That's how it's done in this country.

The Congress presents it's case of oversight, the executive presents it's case of privilege, and then the judges decide who is right in the conflict.

 

[Siete]

Tell the class exactly wtf that has to do with obstruction of congress ----

How is he obstructing Congress? They didn’t go through proper protocols and as the Executive Branch he is their equal.

well ya see derpboi, he's already been IMPEACHED for obstruction of congress.

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hey stupid, show where Congress was obstructed. Refusing to go through proper channels that are available does not mean you were obstructed moron. Hey asshole, here's a clue, you idiots had the same options Trump took. You CHOSE not to take them. Hence half your case is already dismissed as fantasy.

for the 999th time - Trump has been impeached.

you cant dismiss an impeachment


YOU cant choose to understand impeachment articles or the impeachment process.

dumbass

He answers questions directly. You cower. So who is the dumbass? You refused to answer a simple yes/no question

if you dont know the facts about clintons impeachment you have no wiggle room slobbering dumbasss to anybody.

idiot rw's crack me up

 

[Lakhota]

Judge Ken Starr just sank Nancy's "Impeachment of Trump"

Actually, Starr made a hypocritical ass of himself.

HOLY CHUTZPAH: KEN STARR SLAMS ‘AGE OF IMPEACHMENT’

 

[HenryBHough]

Nope.

Maybe on your planet....

But here on Earth Slick Willie was impeached over lying under oath.

Come visit Earth someday......

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

How is he obstructing Congress? They didn’t go through proper protocols and as the Executive Branch he is their equal.

well ya see derpboi, he's already been IMPEACHED for obstruction of congress.

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hey stupid, show where Congress was obstructed. Refusing to go through proper channels that are available does not mean you were obstructed moron. Hey asshole, here's a clue, you idiots had the same options Trump took. You CHOSE not to take them. Hence half your case is already dismissed as fantasy.

for the 999th time - Trump has been impeached.

you cant dismiss an impeachment


YOU cant choose to understand impeachment articles or the impeachment process.

dumbass

He answers questions directly. You cower. So who is the dumbass? You refused to answer a simple yes/no question

if you dont know the facts about clintons impeachment you have no wiggle room slobbering dumbasss to anybody.

idiot rw's crack me up

I am an Independent and I have the ability to answer direct questions. You do not. You’re a coward.

 

[Siete]

well ya see derpboi, he's already been IMPEACHED for obstruction of congress.

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hey stupid, show where Congress was obstructed. Refusing to go through proper channels that are available does not mean you were obstructed moron. Hey asshole, here's a clue, you idiots had the same options Trump took. You CHOSE not to take them. Hence half your case is already dismissed as fantasy.

for the 999th time - Trump has been impeached.

you cant dismiss an impeachment


YOU cant choose to understand impeachment articles or the impeachment process.

dumbass

He answers questions directly. You cower. So who is the dumbass? You refused to answer a simple yes/no question

if you dont know the facts about clintons impeachment you have no wiggle room slobbering dumbasss to anybody.

idiot rw's crack me up

I am an Independent and I have the ability to answer direct questions. You do not. You’re a coward.

I answered directly youre just too stupid to know it.

 

[BlindBoo]

The Congress presents it's case of oversight, the executive presents it's case of privilege, and then the judges decide who is right in the conflict.

There has never been a claim of blanket privileged and it flies in the face of all established precedents.

CRS Executive Privilege

 

[lantern2814]

I believe his defense is the:

1. Verbiage in the Transcript
2. Zelensky saying no QPQ

Tell the class exactly wtf that has to do with obstruction of congress ----

How is he obstructing Congress? They didn’t go through proper protocols and as the Executive Branch he is their equal.

well ya see derpboi, he's already been IMPEACHED for obstruction of congress.

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hey stupid, show where Congress was obstructed. Refusing to go through proper channels that are available does not mean you were obstructed moron. Hey asshole, here's a clue, you idiots had the same options Trump took. You CHOSE not to take them. Hence half your case is already dismissed as fantasy.

for the 999th time - Trump has been impeached.

you cant dismiss an impeachment


YOU cant choose to understand impeachment articles or the impeachment process.

dumbass

For the millionth time. TRY GETTING AN EDUCATION! Note that you couldn’t refute the FACT that there was NO obstruction by Trump. The Senate certainly can dismiss this case. Dumbass. Seems you’re allergic to facts and education. Seems you don’t understand the process. Or anything else.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Hey stupid, show where Congress was obstructed. Refusing to go through proper channels that are available does not mean you were obstructed moron. Hey asshole, here's a clue, you idiots had the same options Trump took. You CHOSE not to take them. Hence half your case is already dismissed as fantasy.

for the 999th time - Trump has been impeached.

you cant dismiss an impeachment


YOU cant choose to understand impeachment articles or the impeachment process.

dumbass

He answers questions directly. You cower. So who is the dumbass? You refused to answer a simple yes/no question

if you dont know the facts about clintons impeachment you have no wiggle room slobbering dumbasss to anybody.

idiot rw's crack me up

I am an Independent and I have the ability to answer direct questions. You do not. You’re a coward.

I answered directly youre just too stupid to know it.

No. Your skirted around it and on purpose.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Congress presents it's case of oversight, the executive presents it's case of privilege, and then the judges decide who is right in the conflict.

There has never been a claim of blanket privileged and it flies in the face of all established precedents.

CRS Executive Privilege

I guess you supposed you would trip me up by finding a 50 page document you know I won't read. Nice try. Last presidency, DumBama refused to release documents under EP. The Republicans took it to court. It took a couple of years, but the court ordered that DumBama had to release those records, and that's what he did. Now had DumBama went against the court orders, THAT'S when the Republicans could have impeached on obstruction. Until that time, it's simply a matter of differing opinions. The Republicans opinion was that EP did not apply in their request, and DumBama's opinion was that it did. That didn't make the Republicans right or DumBama right. That's what the courts are for--to determine who is right constitutionally.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

I believe his defense is the:

1. Verbiage in the Transcript
2. Zelensky saying no QPQ

Tell the class exactly wtf that has to do with obstruction of congress ----

How is he obstructing Congress? They didn’t go through proper protocols and as the Executive Branch he is their equal.

well ya see derpboi, he's already been IMPEACHED for obstruction of congress.

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Partisan and he will be acquitted. Also partisan. Wake up.

you dont get acquitted dip -

he gets REMOVED FROM OFFICE - or not

Aaaand you would be wrong, once again. See below in re the Impeachment of Bill Clinton:

A trial in the Senate began in January 1999, with Chief Justice William Rehnquist presiding. On February 12, Clinton was acquitted on both counts as neither received the necessary two-thirds majority vote of the senators present for conviction and removal from office—in this instance 67. On Article One, 45 senators voted to convict while 55 voted for acquittal. On Article Two, 50 senators voted to convict while 50 voted for acquittal.[3] Clinton remained in office for the remainder of his second term.[4]​

Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Repubs must impeach the next Prog president as soon as they can. All of this because Progs are pizzed off about the 2016 election. If Repubs do not give them push back, we will end up a banana republic.

I think it would be better if we just jailed the silly shits responsible for the silly shit. The list begins with Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler in the least. Or maybe Pelosi and all of dumbass impeachment managers.

And Showboat Schumer

 

[BlindBoo]

The Congress presents it's case of oversight, the executive presents it's case of privilege, and then the judges decide who is right in the conflict.

There has never been a claim of blanket privileged and it flies in the face of all established precedents.

CRS Executive Privilege

I guess you supposed you would trip me up by finding a 50 page document you know I won't read. Nice try. Last presidency, DumBama refused to release documents under EP. The Republicans took it to court. It took a couple of years, but the court ordered that DumBama had to release those records, and that's what he did. Now had DumBama went against the court orders, THAT'S when the Republicans could have impeached on obstruction. Until that time, it's simply a matter of differing opinions. The Republicans opinion was that EP did not apply in their request, and DumBama's opinion was that it did. That didn't make the Republicans right or DumBama right. That's what the courts are for--to determine who is right constitutionally.

If Obama had, at the beginning of the Fast and Furious investigation, refused to turn over any document or ordered all federal employees not comply with Congressional request or subpoenas, he would have been impeached within the week. When you try to compare one instance, that happened well after the WH had supplied documents and witnesses to the committee to the blanket refusal of any and all documents by Trump, it's not surprising that you would refuse to read it.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Repubs must impeach the next Prog president as soon as they can. All of this because Progs are pizzed off about the 2016 election. If Repubs do not give them push back, we will end up a banana republic.

I think it would be better if we just jailed the silly shits responsible for the silly shit. The list begins with Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler in the least. Or maybe Pelosi and all of dumbass impeachment managers.

And Showboat Schumer

As was explained during the opening statements, by the very rules of the House voted on by the full House at the beginning of the term, rules passed and used by Republicans to investigate Obama, the Chairs of most of the committees have standing subpoena power. So there was never a need for a special vote to make the House's subpoena power legal before the Impeachment vote.

The Porn Publisher Kenny Star is incorrect. The committees already had subpoena power. Republicans just don't want to honor their own rules. But what do you expect from that corrupt bunch of turds.

Starr knows what he is talking about

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Trumps entire defense is to say how everyone is lying but him, then refuse to present any exculpatory evidence ..

Schiff illegally withheld evidence

 

[deannalw]

No he is not. They have the power to investigate, impeach and remove the Executive. He is not a King and his authority is not absolute. His blanket refusal to allow any and all requested testimony or documents to Congress is unprecedented and grants the Executive the absolute power to block any and all investigations into his conduct.

Then DumBama should have been impeached as well, since he too withheld documents from the Republican House.

Absolutely they should have, if he, like ol'Trumpybear, refused any and all documents and testimony relating to any and all investigation the House was pursuing. In fact if President Obama had done that, the Democrats would have made Joe President imo. Hell they sided with Republicans against Obama when he tried to close Gitmo in one of his first EO's.

Nah, his administration provided reams of documents and never told anyone the did not have to comply with Congressional subpoenas.

The Facts Behind Obama’s Executive Privilege Claim — ProPublica

Didn't the House overwhelmingly and with bipartisan support hold Holder in Contempt of Congress too over one set of documents? Trumpybear claims privilege over everything. But not one single Trumpublican will break ranks.

But the facts are not on his side and the American people are seeing the facts.

You don't turn over documents you approve of giving if it's subpoenaed by Congress. You give all or you don't. By Democrats terms, that's still an obstruction of Congress, and trust me, from this point on, we will not be going through the court system next time it happens. Impeachment, and that's it.

There was no good faith effort on the part of the Trumpybear White House to come to an accommodation with the House's requests. It was a blanket refusal that if Obama had tried, Democrats would have ushered him out the door and installed Good Old Joe instead. But Trumpublicans support their King's absolute authority, or they don't trust Pence.

CRS Executive Privilege

Oh sure, that's what Democrats would have done. Clinton committed a felony which was undisputed, and they still didn't usher him out the door.

There didn't have to be any good faith anything on behalf of Trump or any other President. Congress wants documents from the executive, the executive believes those documents should not be released to Congress, and then it goes to the courts for them to decide based on separation of powers. That's how it's done in this country.

The Congress presents it's case of oversight, the executive presents it's case of privilege, and then the judges decide who is right in the conflict.

I think it's awful the democrats have to go about being wrong most of the time. It has to be depressing getting up each day to face more getting it wrong all day.

Oh! If only we had some way to get these important facts out to them!

Like the internet. Or books.

 

[busybee01]

Ken Starr's testimony was outstanding. He very carefully explained how the House's Articles had no constitutional basis.
The president has the authority to conduct foreign policy, period. The "Rodino Rule" was violated in that for an impeachment to be justified it MUST be bi-partisan. Nixon's was, and Clinton's was, but Trump's was not.

Article-2 is simply void because the subpoenas issued before Resolution 660, the impeachment by the full House are not constitutional. Nancy has no authority to start an impeachment inquiry without the full House vote. Further, Trump has every legal right to "due process" and can have the courts evaluate subpoenas and executive privilege claims.

The defense could have rested right after Ken Starr's summary. It was fantastic.
Starr advised that a crime is essential based on the Constitution in order for the senate to remove a president, and Trump committed no crime.

Bolton's testimony is irrelevant, because it would not allege a crime. No witnesses are needed. The fat lady just sang.

Pressuring a foreign government to investigate a political rival is not a legitimate foreign policy. That clearly was partisan.

Please tell us where in the Constitution it states that a impeachment vote has to be taken. The Constitution clearly leaves it up to the House on how to proceed. Judge Napolitano confirmed that everything was done according to the House rules that Republicans set up.

Even the Republican expert Jonathan Turley disagrees as he stated in 2014 that a statutory crime is not required. Starr is a partisan hack.

 

[busybee01]

Trombies see and hear what they wish to see and hear.

Starr was boring and professorial as he laid out no defense of Trump whatsoever.

The idea that we should not have impeachment as a check on a corrupt president
is grade A level stupid. And that is what he just claimed.

Morons eat that shit up.

Trumpies hear what they want to hear. Trumpies including Starr are the morons.

 

[busybee01]

Trombies see and hear what they wish to see and hear.

Starr was boring and professorial as he laid out no defense of Trump whatsoever.

The idea that we should not have impeachment as a check on a corrupt president
is grade A level stupid. And that is what he just claimed.

Morons eat that shit up.

What part of both fucking Articles are bullshit, constitutionally and legally don't you comprehend?

Starr is the bullshit artist here.

 

[okfine]

Looks like Mr. Bolton's book threw Trump's legal team a major curve ball. Makes the Trump team look out of sinc.