Josh Josh Josh....

[guno]

From what I read his profile is basically a guy looking to learn what sex is all about. When are people going to learn that sheltering your children from such things only makes then run to it the moment they can? Want to make your kid a sexual deviant as an adult? Easy....just raise him in an environment where holding hands is only permitted after he is engaged.

So he was jerking his gherkin for jesus ?

 

[BluePhantom]

I defended this kid and still defend his family because they did all they really could but what he is doing now has nothing to do with his parents. I feel sympathy for his wife who just had child #4 in 5 years while he is paying websites to find some strange and stupid enough to use his real name. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!

Josh Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting Paid Nearly $1,000 for Ashley Madison Accounts: Report

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

Yes they are horrible parents but it is my understanding that they got all children involved professional help. Assuming that is the case, what more should they have done. And as far as when they went to the police....who cares. VERY few parents would take their kid to the police in this kind of a situation. They would want to handle it internally to save their child from the risk of legal consequences. If your son brushed his fingers over a girl's breasts while she slept would you haul him down to the cops? If you say yes, I say you are full of shit.

 

[guno]

I defended this kid and still defend his family because they did all they really could but what he is doing now has nothing to do with his parents. I feel sympathy for his wife who just had child #4 in 5 years while he is paying websites to find some strange and stupid enough to use his real name. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!

Josh Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting Paid Nearly $1,000 for Ashley Madison Accounts: Report

Well, well, well, all I can say is that those of us that claimed this dude wasn't to be trusted, were right. I hope that there aren't any new child victims, but he has really shown to be a sham and not such a good Christian as all you conservatives painted him to be.

Wonder how many other of their kids are like that

 

[guno]

I defended this kid and still defend his family because they did all they really could but what he is doing now has nothing to do with his parents. I feel sympathy for his wife who just had child #4 in 5 years while he is paying websites to find some strange and stupid enough to use his real name. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!

Josh Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting Paid Nearly $1,000 for Ashley Madison Accounts: Report

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

Yes they are horrible parents but it is my understanding that they got all children involved professional help. Assuming that is the case, what more should they have done. And as far as when they went to the police....who cares. VERY few parents would take their kid to the police in this kind of a situation. They would want to handle it internally to save their child from the risk of legal consequences. If your son brushed his fingers over a girl's breasts while she slept would you haul him down to the cops? If you say yes, I say you are full of shit.

No they took them to one of those christer therapists , one who eventually went to jail for child porno

What Did Josh Duggar’s Counseling Look Like?

What Did Josh Duggar’s Counseling Look Like?

Duggar Parents Placed Son in Christian Treatment Facility whose Leader was Caught Molesting Girls

Duggar Parents Placed Son in Christian Treatment Facility whose Leader was Caught Molesting Girls

 

[Carla_Danger]

I defended this kid and still defend his family because they did all they really could but what he is doing now has nothing to do with his parents. I feel sympathy for his wife who just had child #4 in 5 years while he is paying websites to find some strange and stupid enough to use his real name. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!

Josh Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting Paid Nearly $1,000 for Ashley Madison Accounts: Report

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

Yes they are horrible parents but it is my understanding that they got all children involved professional help. Assuming that is the case, what more should they have done. And as far as when they went to the police....who cares. VERY few parents would take their kid to the police in this kind of a situation. They would want to handle it internally to save their child from the risk of legal consequences. If your son brushed his fingers over a girl's breasts while she slept would you haul him down to the cops? If you say yes, I say you are full of shit.

Now you're downplaying what Josh actually did. He did this to 4 or 5 (4 sisters I believe) girls. He has a real sickness, and it's a sickness that doesn't go away. I would have sent him to a facility that deals with his type of illness. And I'm not going to assume they sent him or the girls for professional help, because they never stated they took them to a licensed therapist.


Michelle Duggar recounts a story that her husband told his older children “to explain the importance of purity.”

“Imagine that your parents are going to surprise you and give you a brand-new bike for Christmas. Two weeks before Christmas, they buy your bike and hide it in the storage shed in the backyard. But then the boy next door sneaks into the shed and borrows your new bike; he stunt-rides it up and down the back alley.

“On Christmas morning your parents lead you out to the shed to reveal the special gift they bought for you, and as they open the door and say, ‘Surprise!’ they’re just as surprised as you are. You’re all shocked to see that the bike looks like it’s been thrown off a cliff. The front fender is missing, and the front tire is warped so it rubs on the frame. It’s dirty, the paint is all scratched and chipped, and the seat has a big rip in it. It looks worse than something you would have bought at a garage sale.

“I’m sure you would still be grateful for the bike, and you would have fun riding it, but it won’t be in the condition your parents had hoped and dreamed it would be when you received it. You would miss out on a lot of the enjoyment they meant for you to have.

“In that same way, we don’t want any boy (or girl) to come and steal your purity.”

Note the emphasis: The onus to protect your purity is on you. If someone steals your purity, you are a ruined bicycle with warped tires and a ripped seat. Your value has been stolen. Your parents’ dreams are ruined. You are used and cheap and valueless.

This is a horrible thing to tell anyone.

The Duggars’ dangerous cult of purity

 

[BluePhantom]

I defended this kid and still defend his family because they did all they really could but what he is doing now has nothing to do with his parents. I feel sympathy for his wife who just had child #4 in 5 years while he is paying websites to find some strange and stupid enough to use his real name. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!

Josh Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting Paid Nearly $1,000 for Ashley Madison Accounts: Report

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

Yes they are horrible parents but it is my understanding that they got all children involved professional help. Assuming that is the case, what more should they have done. And as far as when they went to the police....who cares. VERY few parents would take their kid to the police in this kind of a situation. They would want to handle it internally to save their child from the risk of legal consequences. If your son brushed his fingers over a girl's breasts while she slept would you haul him down to the cops? If you say yes, I say you are full of shit.

Now you're downplaying what Josh actually did. He did this to 4 or 5 (4 sisters I believe) girls. He has a real sickness, and it's a sickness that doesn't go away. I would have sent him to a facility that deals with his type of illness. And I'm not going to assume they sent him or the girls for professional help, because they never stated they took them to a licensed therapist.


Michelle Duggar recounts a story that her husband told his older children “to explain the importance of purity.”

“Imagine that your parents are going to surprise you and give you a brand-new bike for Christmas. Two weeks before Christmas, they buy your bike and hide it in the storage shed in the backyard. But then the boy next door sneaks into the shed and borrows your new bike; he stunt-rides it up and down the back alley.

“On Christmas morning your parents lead you out to the shed to reveal the special gift they bought for you, and as they open the door and say, ‘Surprise!’ they’re just as surprised as you are. You’re all shocked to see that the bike looks like it’s been thrown off a cliff. The front fender is missing, and the front tire is warped so it rubs on the frame. It’s dirty, the paint is all scratched and chipped, and the seat has a big rip in it. It looks worse than something you would have bought at a garage sale.

“I’m sure you would still be grateful for the bike, and you would have fun riding it, but it won’t be in the condition your parents had hoped and dreamed it would be when you received it. You would miss out on a lot of the enjoyment they meant for you to have.

“In that same way, we don’t want any boy (or girl) to come and steal your purity.”

Note the emphasis: The onus to protect your purity is on you. If someone steals your purity, you are a ruined bicycle with warped tires and a ripped seat. Your value has been stolen. Your parents’ dreams are ruined. You are used and cheap and valueless.

This is a horrible thing to tell anyone.

The Duggars’ dangerous cult of purity

Perspective is everything Carla. For example, he released a statement saying he is addicted to porn. Well is he REALLY addicted to porn? Well maybe. I don't know how much porn he watches or how it affects his life. It could be that he watches the same amount of porn as every other man in the world (maybe even less) but because he perceives porn as something terrible and sinful then watching a small amount of porn makes you an addict. Meanwhile, another couple who was raised in a far healthier environment might look at his porn habits and say "pffft...big fucking deal. That is nothing". Now I am not saying he is or isn't a porn addict. That is for him to decide. I am just saying that your perception of "evil" or "good and bad" is going to depend on your background which shapes your perspective and the living environment you have created for yourself or has been thrust upon you.

Now....dont get me wrong. I am not defending this kids actions with these girls....but honestly I have seen a lot worse than brushing fingers over clothed breasts while someone slept. I am not saying that is ok. I am just saying that compared to a lot of other examples of child molestation, it's pretty light. I dated a girl in college whose father did FAR more to her on a weekly basis than brushing his fingers over her when she slept. That girl is fucked for life as a result. So what he did was wrong, yes...but this wasn't exactly hardcore molestation, rape, etc.

BTW...statistically most people who do this as children or adolescents do not continue the behavior as adults.This kid may prove to be the exception...who knows. What I will say is that this is a textbook example of how religion can be destructive when not approached in a healthy way

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I can't think of anything more important than Josh

 

[Mertex]

I can't think of anything more important than Josh

I know....you'd like for Josh to go away, especially since most of you all made him out to be a saint! Bwahahaha.....I knew he was a weasel from the first time I heard about him and his parents.......now he's made you all look like fools.

 

[TrinityPower]

I defended this kid and still defend his family because they did all they really could but what he is doing now has nothing to do with his parents. I feel sympathy for his wife who just had child #4 in 5 years while he is paying websites to find some strange and stupid enough to use his real name. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!

Josh Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting Paid Nearly $1,000 for Ashley Madison Accounts: Report

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

They DID get all of them professional counseling. I never heard that the police was a friend I saw their interview, they went into the station and didn't know the guy that Josh spoke to, he was just the one on duty and he didn't condone what he did. The officer gave him a stern talking to about it and told him that it was very serious what he did but what more can they do? It isn't like someone was pressing charges on him.

And just to stir the pot a little I will throw this out there (and no I do not agree nor think this way at all) what was he doing wrong on the adult website? Did he actually go out with someone? Maybe he was just hunting for women to send him dirty pictures and talk dirty to him. If he didn't actually physically do anything with any women is that really cheating? Would it be considered cheating if it were anyone else? I am really interested in the men's take on that especially.

What IS the criteria that is considered cheating on the wife?

 

[Mertex]

I defended this kid and still defend his family because they did all they really could but what he is doing now has nothing to do with his parents. I feel sympathy for his wife who just had child #4 in 5 years while he is paying websites to find some strange and stupid enough to use his real name. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!

Josh Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting Paid Nearly $1,000 for Ashley Madison Accounts: Report

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

They DID get all of them professional counseling. I never heard that the police was a friend I saw their interview, they went into the station and didn't know the guy that Josh spoke to, he was just the one on duty and he didn't condone what he did. The officer gave him a stern talking to about it and told him that it was very serious what he did but what more can they do? It isn't like someone was pressing charges on him.

And just to stir the pot a little I will throw this out there (and no I do not agree nor think this way at all) what was he doing wrong on the adult website? Did he actually go out with someone? Maybe he was just hunting for women to send him dirty pictures and talk dirty to him. If he didn't actually physically do anything with any women is that really cheating? Would it be considered cheating if it were anyone else? I am really interested in the men's take on that especially.

What IS the criteria that is considered cheating on the wife?

Geeze....you really are naive. Maybe you don't think there is anything wrong with belonging to a secret organization that encourages you to cheat on your spouse and spending money to do so, but do you think it is okay Christian behavior? And you think lying to his wife and family while counseling people on marriage and divorce is okay too, as long as he didn't physically do anything with any woman? He claimed to have received forgiveness for his previous crime of pedophilia.....but didn't have any qualms about joining a secret organization that encourages adultery. While this new gig may not be criminal, it certainly isn't Christian behavior, and those that defended him so vehemently and claimed he was healed may have to rethink it.

 

[Carla_Danger]

I defended this kid and still defend his family because they did all they really could but what he is doing now has nothing to do with his parents. I feel sympathy for his wife who just had child #4 in 5 years while he is paying websites to find some strange and stupid enough to use his real name. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!

Josh Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting Paid Nearly $1,000 for Ashley Madison Accounts: Report

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

They DID get all of them professional counseling. I never heard that the police was a friend I saw their interview, they went into the station and didn't know the guy that Josh spoke to, he was just the one on duty and he didn't condone what he did. The officer gave him a stern talking to about it and told him that it was very serious what he did but what more can they do? It isn't like someone was pressing charges on him.

And just to stir the pot a little I will throw this out there (and no I do not agree nor think this way at all) what was he doing wrong on the adult website? Did he actually go out with someone? Maybe he was just hunting for women to send him dirty pictures and talk dirty to him. If he didn't actually physically do anything with any women is that really cheating? Would it be considered cheating if it were anyone else? I am really interested in the men's take on that especially.

What IS the criteria that is considered cheating on the wife?

No, they did not get them professional counseling, and the man that gave him a stern talking to is in prison for child pornography. He was a friend of the family. They are surrounded by perverts, because that is what their cult breeds.

 

[Carla_Danger]

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

Yes they are horrible parents but it is my understanding that they got all children involved professional help. Assuming that is the case, what more should they have done. And as far as when they went to the police....who cares. VERY few parents would take their kid to the police in this kind of a situation. They would want to handle it internally to save their child from the risk of legal consequences. If your son brushed his fingers over a girl's breasts while she slept would you haul him down to the cops? If you say yes, I say you are full of shit.

Now you're downplaying what Josh actually did. He did this to 4 or 5 (4 sisters I believe) girls. He has a real sickness, and it's a sickness that doesn't go away. I would have sent him to a facility that deals with his type of illness. And I'm not going to assume they sent him or the girls for professional help, because they never stated they took them to a licensed therapist.


Michelle Duggar recounts a story that her husband told his older children “to explain the importance of purity.”

“Imagine that your parents are going to surprise you and give you a brand-new bike for Christmas. Two weeks before Christmas, they buy your bike and hide it in the storage shed in the backyard. But then the boy next door sneaks into the shed and borrows your new bike; he stunt-rides it up and down the back alley.

“On Christmas morning your parents lead you out to the shed to reveal the special gift they bought for you, and as they open the door and say, ‘Surprise!’ they’re just as surprised as you are. You’re all shocked to see that the bike looks like it’s been thrown off a cliff. The front fender is missing, and the front tire is warped so it rubs on the frame. It’s dirty, the paint is all scratched and chipped, and the seat has a big rip in it. It looks worse than something you would have bought at a garage sale.

“I’m sure you would still be grateful for the bike, and you would have fun riding it, but it won’t be in the condition your parents had hoped and dreamed it would be when you received it. You would miss out on a lot of the enjoyment they meant for you to have.

“In that same way, we don’t want any boy (or girl) to come and steal your purity.”

Note the emphasis: The onus to protect your purity is on you. If someone steals your purity, you are a ruined bicycle with warped tires and a ripped seat. Your value has been stolen. Your parents’ dreams are ruined. You are used and cheap and valueless.

This is a horrible thing to tell anyone.

The Duggars’ dangerous cult of purity

Perspective is everything Carla. For example, he released a statement saying he is addicted to porn. Well is he REALLY addicted to porn? Well maybe. I don't know how much porn he watches or how it affects his life. It could be that he watches the same amount of porn as every other man in the world (maybe even less) but because he perceives porn as something terrible and sinful then watching a small amount of porn makes you an addict. Meanwhile, another couple who was raised in a far healthier environment might look at his porn habits and say "pffft...big fucking deal. That is nothing". Now I am not saying he is or isn't a porn addict. That is for him to decide. I am just saying that your perception of "evil" or "good and bad" is going to depend on your background which shapes your perspective and the living environment you have created for yourself or has been thrust upon you.

Now....dont get me wrong. I am not defending this kids actions with these girls....but honestly I have seen a lot worse than brushing fingers over clothed breasts while someone slept. I am not saying that is ok. I am just saying that compared to a lot of other examples of child molestation, it's pretty light. I dated a girl in college whose father did FAR more to her on a weekly basis than brushing his fingers over her when she slept. That girl is fucked for life as a result. So what he did was wrong, yes...but this wasn't exactly hardcore molestation, rape, etc.

BTW...statistically most people who do this as children or adolescents do not continue the behavior as adults.This kid may prove to be the exception...who knows. What I will say is that this is a textbook example of how religion can be destructive when not approached in a healthy way

Do you have any link showing that when a 14 year old molests 4 sisters, some while sleeping, some while awake, he usually outgrows this behavior without any professional counseling? I'd like to see that bit of information.

 

[TrinityPower]

I defended this kid and still defend his family because they did all they really could but what he is doing now has nothing to do with his parents. I feel sympathy for his wife who just had child #4 in 5 years while he is paying websites to find some strange and stupid enough to use his real name. Good Grief Charlie Brown!!

Josh Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting Paid Nearly $1,000 for Ashley Madison Accounts: Report

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

They DID get all of them professional counseling. I never heard that the police was a friend I saw their interview, they went into the station and didn't know the guy that Josh spoke to, he was just the one on duty and he didn't condone what he did. The officer gave him a stern talking to about it and told him that it was very serious what he did but what more can they do? It isn't like someone was pressing charges on him.

And just to stir the pot a little I will throw this out there (and no I do not agree nor think this way at all) what was he doing wrong on the adult website? Did he actually go out with someone? Maybe he was just hunting for women to send him dirty pictures and talk dirty to him. If he didn't actually physically do anything with any women is that really cheating? Would it be considered cheating if it were anyone else? I am really interested in the men's take on that especially.

What IS the criteria that is considered cheating on the wife?

Geeze....you really are naive. Maybe you don't think there is anything wrong with belonging to a secret organization that encourages you to cheat on your spouse and spending money to do so, but do you think it is okay Christian behavior? And you think lying to his wife and family while counseling people on marriage and divorce is okay too, as long as he didn't physically do anything with any woman? He claimed to have received forgiveness for his previous crime of pedophilia.....but didn't have any qualms about joining a secret organization that encourages adultery. While this new gig may not be criminal, it certainly isn't Christian behavior, and those that defended him so vehemently and claimed he was healed may have to rethink it.

You seem to read what you want to in a comment and take a piece out that suits you.(and no I do not agree nor think this way at all) Meaning I didn't endorse it but obviously millions of others do it and I do not see them being judged for it.

And while we are on the subject of adultery...have you ever looked up what constituted it from a biblical standpoint especially for a man? Let's just say the rules are a lot looser for a man than a woman. Maybe I will start another discussion about that alone

 

[Carla_Danger]

I don't believe they did all they could, in fact, I believe they swept it under the rug.

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

They DID get all of them professional counseling. I never heard that the police was a friend I saw their interview, they went into the station and didn't know the guy that Josh spoke to, he was just the one on duty and he didn't condone what he did. The officer gave him a stern talking to about it and told him that it was very serious what he did but what more can they do? It isn't like someone was pressing charges on him.

And just to stir the pot a little I will throw this out there (and no I do not agree nor think this way at all) what was he doing wrong on the adult website? Did he actually go out with someone? Maybe he was just hunting for women to send him dirty pictures and talk dirty to him. If he didn't actually physically do anything with any women is that really cheating? Would it be considered cheating if it were anyone else? I am really interested in the men's take on that especially.

What IS the criteria that is considered cheating on the wife?

Geeze....you really are naive. Maybe you don't think there is anything wrong with belonging to a secret organization that encourages you to cheat on your spouse and spending money to do so, but do you think it is okay Christian behavior? And you think lying to his wife and family while counseling people on marriage and divorce is okay too, as long as he didn't physically do anything with any woman? He claimed to have received forgiveness for his previous crime of pedophilia.....but didn't have any qualms about joining a secret organization that encourages adultery. While this new gig may not be criminal, it certainly isn't Christian behavior, and those that defended him so vehemently and claimed he was healed may have to rethink it.

You seem to read what you want to in a comment and take a piece out that suits you.(and no I do not agree nor think this way at all) Meaning I didn't endorse it but obviously millions of others do it and I do not see them being judged for it.

And while we are on the subject of adultery...have you ever looked up what constituted it from a biblical standpoint especially for a man? Let's just say the rules are a lot looser for a man than a woman. Maybe I will start another discussion about that alone

Another reason to not let the Bible be your moral guide.

 

[BluePhantom]

IF they did everything they claim they did, I personally don't see what more they could have done. They tried to get their kid help in multiple ways, they went to the police (which the VAST majority of parents wouldn't have done), they took measures to protect their kids after the fact, etc. IF all of that is true, what else should they have done? What would you have done in addition to what they did if it was your son?

Believe me, I have neither love nor sympathy for the Duggars. Frankly, I think they are a bunch of kooks. But I am not sure what else there was to do that they did not do...or at least claim they did.

The reality is that if this was not a family who portrayed themselves as so holy and righteous, this story wouldn't even be front page news

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

Yes they are horrible parents but it is my understanding that they got all children involved professional help. Assuming that is the case, what more should they have done. And as far as when they went to the police....who cares. VERY few parents would take their kid to the police in this kind of a situation. They would want to handle it internally to save their child from the risk of legal consequences. If your son brushed his fingers over a girl's breasts while she slept would you haul him down to the cops? If you say yes, I say you are full of shit.

Now you're downplaying what Josh actually did. He did this to 4 or 5 (4 sisters I believe) girls. He has a real sickness, and it's a sickness that doesn't go away. I would have sent him to a facility that deals with his type of illness. And I'm not going to assume they sent him or the girls for professional help, because they never stated they took them to a licensed therapist.


Michelle Duggar recounts a story that her husband told his older children “to explain the importance of purity.”

“Imagine that your parents are going to surprise you and give you a brand-new bike for Christmas. Two weeks before Christmas, they buy your bike and hide it in the storage shed in the backyard. But then the boy next door sneaks into the shed and borrows your new bike; he stunt-rides it up and down the back alley.

“On Christmas morning your parents lead you out to the shed to reveal the special gift they bought for you, and as they open the door and say, ‘Surprise!’ they’re just as surprised as you are. You’re all shocked to see that the bike looks like it’s been thrown off a cliff. The front fender is missing, and the front tire is warped so it rubs on the frame. It’s dirty, the paint is all scratched and chipped, and the seat has a big rip in it. It looks worse than something you would have bought at a garage sale.

“I’m sure you would still be grateful for the bike, and you would have fun riding it, but it won’t be in the condition your parents had hoped and dreamed it would be when you received it. You would miss out on a lot of the enjoyment they meant for you to have.

“In that same way, we don’t want any boy (or girl) to come and steal your purity.”

Note the emphasis: The onus to protect your purity is on you. If someone steals your purity, you are a ruined bicycle with warped tires and a ripped seat. Your value has been stolen. Your parents’ dreams are ruined. You are used and cheap and valueless.

This is a horrible thing to tell anyone.

The Duggars’ dangerous cult of purity

Perspective is everything Carla. For example, he released a statement saying he is addicted to porn. Well is he REALLY addicted to porn? Well maybe. I don't know how much porn he watches or how it affects his life. It could be that he watches the same amount of porn as every other man in the world (maybe even less) but because he perceives porn as something terrible and sinful then watching a small amount of porn makes you an addict. Meanwhile, another couple who was raised in a far healthier environment might look at his porn habits and say "pffft...big fucking deal. That is nothing". Now I am not saying he is or isn't a porn addict. That is for him to decide. I am just saying that your perception of "evil" or "good and bad" is going to depend on your background which shapes your perspective and the living environment you have created for yourself or has been thrust upon you.

Now....dont get me wrong. I am not defending this kids actions with these girls....but honestly I have seen a lot worse than brushing fingers over clothed breasts while someone slept. I am not saying that is ok. I am just saying that compared to a lot of other examples of child molestation, it's pretty light. I dated a girl in college whose father did FAR more to her on a weekly basis than brushing his fingers over her when she slept. That girl is fucked for life as a result. So what he did was wrong, yes...but this wasn't exactly hardcore molestation, rape, etc.

BTW...statistically most people who do this as children or adolescents do not continue the behavior as adults.This kid may prove to be the exception...who knows. What I will say is that this is a textbook example of how religion can be destructive when not approached in a healthy way

Do you have any link showing that when a 14 year old molests 4 sisters, some while sleeping, some while awake, he usually outgrows this behavior without any professional counseling? I'd like to see that bit of information.

"Myth:
"Juvenile sex offenders typically are victims of child sexual abuse and grow up to be adult sex offenders."

Fact:
Multiple factors, not just sexual victimization as a child, are associated with the development of sexually offending behavior in youth.

Myth:
"Most sex offenders reoffend."

Fact:
Reconviction data suggest that this is not the case. Further, reoffense rates vary among different types of sex offenders and are related to specific characteristics of the offender and the offense."

CSOM Publications


"In fact, research has demonstrated that juveniles who commit sexual offenses are more likely to recidivate in a nonsexual rather than a sexual manner....

A relatively small percentage of juveniles who commit a sexual offense will sexually reoffend as adults. The message for policymakers is that juveniles who commit sexual offenses are not the same as adult sexual offenders, and that all juveniles who commit a sexual offense do not go on to sexually offend later in life."

Chapter 3: Recidivism of Juveniles Who Commit Sexual Offenses | Sex Offender Management Assessment and Planning Initiative

 

[Carla_Danger]

They didn't report it to the police for over a year, and when they finally did, it was an officer friend, who is now in prison for child pornography. The place they sent him to for help (another friend of the family who was also charged with sex allegations) was not professional therapy, and all Josh did was help do labor work for the man.

The VERY least they should have done, would be to get Josh and their daughters some professional counseling. They are horrible parents.

Yes they are horrible parents but it is my understanding that they got all children involved professional help. Assuming that is the case, what more should they have done. And as far as when they went to the police....who cares. VERY few parents would take their kid to the police in this kind of a situation. They would want to handle it internally to save their child from the risk of legal consequences. If your son brushed his fingers over a girl's breasts while she slept would you haul him down to the cops? If you say yes, I say you are full of shit.

Now you're downplaying what Josh actually did. He did this to 4 or 5 (4 sisters I believe) girls. He has a real sickness, and it's a sickness that doesn't go away. I would have sent him to a facility that deals with his type of illness. And I'm not going to assume they sent him or the girls for professional help, because they never stated they took them to a licensed therapist.


Michelle Duggar recounts a story that her husband told his older children “to explain the importance of purity.”

“Imagine that your parents are going to surprise you and give you a brand-new bike for Christmas. Two weeks before Christmas, they buy your bike and hide it in the storage shed in the backyard. But then the boy next door sneaks into the shed and borrows your new bike; he stunt-rides it up and down the back alley.

“On Christmas morning your parents lead you out to the shed to reveal the special gift they bought for you, and as they open the door and say, ‘Surprise!’ they’re just as surprised as you are. You’re all shocked to see that the bike looks like it’s been thrown off a cliff. The front fender is missing, and the front tire is warped so it rubs on the frame. It’s dirty, the paint is all scratched and chipped, and the seat has a big rip in it. It looks worse than something you would have bought at a garage sale.

“I’m sure you would still be grateful for the bike, and you would have fun riding it, but it won’t be in the condition your parents had hoped and dreamed it would be when you received it. You would miss out on a lot of the enjoyment they meant for you to have.

“In that same way, we don’t want any boy (or girl) to come and steal your purity.”

Note the emphasis: The onus to protect your purity is on you. If someone steals your purity, you are a ruined bicycle with warped tires and a ripped seat. Your value has been stolen. Your parents’ dreams are ruined. You are used and cheap and valueless.

This is a horrible thing to tell anyone.

The Duggars’ dangerous cult of purity

Perspective is everything Carla. For example, he released a statement saying he is addicted to porn. Well is he REALLY addicted to porn? Well maybe. I don't know how much porn he watches or how it affects his life. It could be that he watches the same amount of porn as every other man in the world (maybe even less) but because he perceives porn as something terrible and sinful then watching a small amount of porn makes you an addict. Meanwhile, another couple who was raised in a far healthier environment might look at his porn habits and say "pffft...big fucking deal. That is nothing". Now I am not saying he is or isn't a porn addict. That is for him to decide. I am just saying that your perception of "evil" or "good and bad" is going to depend on your background which shapes your perspective and the living environment you have created for yourself or has been thrust upon you.

Now....dont get me wrong. I am not defending this kids actions with these girls....but honestly I have seen a lot worse than brushing fingers over clothed breasts while someone slept. I am not saying that is ok. I am just saying that compared to a lot of other examples of child molestation, it's pretty light. I dated a girl in college whose father did FAR more to her on a weekly basis than brushing his fingers over her when she slept. That girl is fucked for life as a result. So what he did was wrong, yes...but this wasn't exactly hardcore molestation, rape, etc.

BTW...statistically most people who do this as children or adolescents do not continue the behavior as adults.This kid may prove to be the exception...who knows. What I will say is that this is a textbook example of how religion can be destructive when not approached in a healthy way

Do you have any link showing that when a 14 year old molests 4 sisters, some while sleeping, some while awake, he usually outgrows this behavior without any professional counseling? I'd like to see that bit of information.

"Myth:
"Juvenile sex offenders typically are victims of child sexual abuse and grow up to be adult sex offenders."

Fact:
Multiple factors, not just sexual victimization as a child, are associated with the development of sexually offending behavior in youth.

Myth:
"Most sex offenders reoffend."

Fact:
Reconviction data suggest that this is not the case. Further, reoffense rates vary among different types of sex offenders and are related to specific characteristics of the offender and the offense."

CSOM Publications


"In fact, research has demonstrated that juveniles who commit sexual offenses are more likely to recidivate in a nonsexual rather than a sexual manner....

A relatively small percentage of juveniles who commit a sexual offense will sexually reoffend as adults. The message for policymakers is that juveniles who commit sexual offenses are not the same as adult sexual offenders, and that all juveniles who commit a sexual offense do not go on to sexually offend later in life."

Chapter 3: Recidivism of Juveniles Who Commit Sexual Offenses | Sex Offender Management Assessment and Planning Initiative

How Often Do Juvenile Sex Offenders Reoffend?

Juvenile sex offenders appear to respond better to treatment and reoffend less frequently than adult sex offenders. Sexual reoffense rates for youth over several years are estimated at approximately 10%. In addition, if juvenile sex offenders reoffend, they are far more likely to engage in other types of delinquent behavior than to commit new sex crimes.

http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf


Josh never got any professional treatment.

Josh and his wife are committed to plopping out babies every chance they get, and are planning to have as many as Gawd will allow. Even after all the public humiliation of his juvenile perversions, having to resign from his job, losing the reality show (the bread and butter for the family) Josh has recently been busted for pornography and signing up on a web site to help married people cheat on their spouse, and the dummy used his real name.

So tell me, would you let him babysit your children...your grandchildren?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Anna Duggar 'partially blames herself' for husband Josh cheating and using porn - while her mother-in-law Michelle's top marriage tip is to NOT deny your spouse sex

• Anna Duggar has four children with husband of nearly seven years, Josh
• She will likely 'on some level... absorb some of the blame' for spouse's admitted infidelity and secret pornography addiction, family insider says
• There is also 'no way' she will leave reality star - despite the new scandal
• Anna 'is fully committed to her marriage and children,' the insider claims
• If Anna has been adhering to her mom-in-law Michelle's top marriage tip, she will have said 'yes' to sex whenever Josh, 27, has wished to have it
• Michelle has said she does not deny husband Jim Bob sex, even if tired
• There are exceptions, however; Michelle does not have sex for 80 days after birth of daughter, for 40 days after birth of son, or when on period
• Josh admitted on Thursday to being unfaithful to his wife and having an addiction to online porn in statement that followed Ashley Madison hack

Read more: Anna Duggar 'partly blames herself' for Josh cheating and using porn
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She and her mom just don't get it - Josh doesn't want wife sex. He wants to cheat on this wife and the second account is so he can cheat on the woman he's cheating on.

And little girls. THAT is what is wife if for - to crank out new victims for her husband.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Read these links about their sicko fundie cult -

The Creepy Fundamentalist Homeschool Cult That Trained the Duggars

The Truth About Josh Duggar's Sham Cult-Center "Counseling"

Semen Causes Cancer: Bad Science from the Duggars' Homeschool Cult

And there's more where the Duggars came from -


The Bates Family Is Cable TV's New Duggars and They're Just as Toxic

 

[Luddly Neddite]

About there being 37 million Americans signed up to cheat on Ashley Madison ... That's about half of the total number of married couples.

Proof there is no "sanctity of marriage".

 

[TrinityPower]

Yes they are horrible parents but it is my understanding that they got all children involved professional help. Assuming that is the case, what more should they have done. And as far as when they went to the police....who cares. VERY few parents would take their kid to the police in this kind of a situation. They would want to handle it internally to save their child from the risk of legal consequences. If your son brushed his fingers over a girl's breasts while she slept would you haul him down to the cops? If you say yes, I say you are full of shit.

Now you're downplaying what Josh actually did. He did this to 4 or 5 (4 sisters I believe) girls. He has a real sickness, and it's a sickness that doesn't go away. I would have sent him to a facility that deals with his type of illness. And I'm not going to assume they sent him or the girls for professional help, because they never stated they took them to a licensed therapist.


Michelle Duggar recounts a story that her husband told his older children “to explain the importance of purity.”

“Imagine that your parents are going to surprise you and give you a brand-new bike for Christmas. Two weeks before Christmas, they buy your bike and hide it in the storage shed in the backyard. But then the boy next door sneaks into the shed and borrows your new bike; he stunt-rides it up and down the back alley.

“On Christmas morning your parents lead you out to the shed to reveal the special gift they bought for you, and as they open the door and say, ‘Surprise!’ they’re just as surprised as you are. You’re all shocked to see that the bike looks like it’s been thrown off a cliff. The front fender is missing, and the front tire is warped so it rubs on the frame. It’s dirty, the paint is all scratched and chipped, and the seat has a big rip in it. It looks worse than something you would have bought at a garage sale.

“I’m sure you would still be grateful for the bike, and you would have fun riding it, but it won’t be in the condition your parents had hoped and dreamed it would be when you received it. You would miss out on a lot of the enjoyment they meant for you to have.

“In that same way, we don’t want any boy (or girl) to come and steal your purity.”

Note the emphasis: The onus to protect your purity is on you. If someone steals your purity, you are a ruined bicycle with warped tires and a ripped seat. Your value has been stolen. Your parents’ dreams are ruined. You are used and cheap and valueless.

This is a horrible thing to tell anyone.

The Duggars’ dangerous cult of purity

Perspective is everything Carla. For example, he released a statement saying he is addicted to porn. Well is he REALLY addicted to porn? Well maybe. I don't know how much porn he watches or how it affects his life. It could be that he watches the same amount of porn as every other man in the world (maybe even less) but because he perceives porn as something terrible and sinful then watching a small amount of porn makes you an addict. Meanwhile, another couple who was raised in a far healthier environment might look at his porn habits and say "pffft...big fucking deal. That is nothing". Now I am not saying he is or isn't a porn addict. That is for him to decide. I am just saying that your perception of "evil" or "good and bad" is going to depend on your background which shapes your perspective and the living environment you have created for yourself or has been thrust upon you.

Now....dont get me wrong. I am not defending this kids actions with these girls....but honestly I have seen a lot worse than brushing fingers over clothed breasts while someone slept. I am not saying that is ok. I am just saying that compared to a lot of other examples of child molestation, it's pretty light. I dated a girl in college whose father did FAR more to her on a weekly basis than brushing his fingers over her when she slept. That girl is fucked for life as a result. So what he did was wrong, yes...but this wasn't exactly hardcore molestation, rape, etc.

BTW...statistically most people who do this as children or adolescents do not continue the behavior as adults.This kid may prove to be the exception...who knows. What I will say is that this is a textbook example of how religion can be destructive when not approached in a healthy way

Do you have any link showing that when a 14 year old molests 4 sisters, some while sleeping, some while awake, he usually outgrows this behavior without any professional counseling? I'd like to see that bit of information.

"Myth:
"Juvenile sex offenders typically are victims of child sexual abuse and grow up to be adult sex offenders."

Fact:
Multiple factors, not just sexual victimization as a child, are associated with the development of sexually offending behavior in youth.

Myth:
"Most sex offenders reoffend."

Fact:
Reconviction data suggest that this is not the case. Further, reoffense rates vary among different types of sex offenders and are related to specific characteristics of the offender and the offense."

CSOM Publications


"In fact, research has demonstrated that juveniles who commit sexual offenses are more likely to recidivate in a nonsexual rather than a sexual manner....

A relatively small percentage of juveniles who commit a sexual offense will sexually reoffend as adults. The message for policymakers is that juveniles who commit sexual offenses are not the same as adult sexual offenders, and that all juveniles who commit a sexual offense do not go on to sexually offend later in life."

Chapter 3: Recidivism of Juveniles Who Commit Sexual Offenses | Sex Offender Management Assessment and Planning Initiative

How Often Do Juvenile Sex Offenders Reoffend?

Juvenile sex offenders appear to respond better to treatment and reoffend less frequently than adult sex offenders. Sexual reoffense rates for youth over several years are estimated at approximately 10%. In addition, if juvenile sex offenders reoffend, they are far more likely to engage in other types of delinquent behavior than to commit new sex crimes.

http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf


Josh never got any professional treatment.

Josh and his wife are committed to plopping out babies every chance they get, and are planning to have as many as Gawd will allow. Even after all the public humiliation of his juvenile perversions, having to resign from his job, losing the reality show (the bread and butter for the family) Josh has recently been busted for pornography and signing up on a web site to help married people cheat on their spouse, and the dummy used his real name.

So tell me, would you let him babysit your children...your grandchildren?

Where do you get your information that he never received professional counseling? You seem to spread rumors you hear instead of finding out facts.