Josh Josh Josh....

[koshergrl]

And again you miss the point. Most 15 year old boys do know something about sex. The children of this family almost certainly do not. let me try to establish some things for you.

I'm not missing the point, you are. You are trying to explain away the reason for his behavior.....I really don't much care about the reason for his behavior....what I have been pointing out is that some of us realized that this dude was sick (regardless of what caused him to be sick) and really needed to be investigated (because we really don't have any proof that he has been rehabilitated from his crime of pedophilia). Some conservatives on another Josh Duggar thread were claiming that they were sure that he was okay, had been healed and posed no danger to other children and were reprimanding some of us for criticizing the fact that he got away with a crime. Those that defended him and vouched for his repentant attitude have not come forth to defend him this time, because his new scandal proves that those of us that weren't convinced of his redemption, were right.

Dude....a lot of Christians who post here are just as nuts as that family is. You are surprised that ultra-religious nut cases would defend other ultra-religious nut cases? Really?

Now you and some others are trying to inform us that he grew up in a whacky environment........hello! We already knew that. As if that is an excuse from being held accountable for the crime he committed before. How he was raised doesn't excuse him from obeying the law. Josh Duggar is a lying scoundrel and the truth has finally come out. However, he has learned that all he has to do is act penitent and everyone in his family and others who were duped by his contrite behavior will be quick to forgive and forget. Probably the same people that are still holding Bill Clinton in low regard for his indiscretion some time back ......one that wasn't criminal and involved two consenting adults. If that's not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

Not once did I ever say that his environment excused his behavior. In fact I have said the very opposite several times? My God, you are thick. Do you even bother to read what is written or do you just continue to pound your shoe on the table and completely ignore inconvenient points? If it's the latter I would like to introduce you to Carla Danger. You two will get along just fine.

The Duggars aren't insane, and neither are "a lot of" the Christians who post here.

 

[BluePhantom]

Good grief lefties are tedious.And insane. All these fruit loops have defended sexual depravity, up to and including the sexualization of VERY young children under the heading of "sex education", and the distribution of porn at colleges. It's truly hilarious to watch them suddenly decide that oh yeah...in SOME instances, sexual exploration and rule bending is a heinous offense.

If the Duggars were a liberal family from Michigan they wouldn't give two shits about this situation. If they were from the inner city ghetto, they wouldn't care a bit. The one and only reason they care at all is because it is a conservative Christian family. And honestly,...they don't care. They don't care one little bit. This is merely an opportunity to attack Christianity and the religious right and they are drooling like Pavlov's Dogs.

Now to be fair, this family did this to themselves. They portrayed themselves to society as icons of moral values and religious purity. They tried to establish themselves as an example of "religion done right" and so when the skeletons came flying out of the closet all they could do is stand there and look stupid because we have seen quite clearly this is an example of "religion done wrong".

When someone else sets you on a pedestal and you fall off, it's their fault for having unrealistic expectations of you. But when you put yourself on that pedestal and say to the world "look at me up here" and you fall off...well....pfft....you have no one to blame but yourself for what happens to you.

 

[koshergrl]

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Good grief lefties are tedious.And insane. All these fruit loops have defended sexual depravity, up to and including the sexualization of VERY young children under the heading of "sex education", and the distribution of porn at colleges. It's truly hilarious to watch them suddenly decide that oh yeah...in SOME instances, sexual exploration and rule bending is a heinous offense.

If the Duggars were a liberal family from Michigan they wouldn't give two shits about this situation. If they were from the inner city ghetto, they wouldn't care a bit. The one and only reason they care at all is because it is a conservative Christian family. And honestly,...they don't care. They don't care one little bit. This is merely an opportunity to attack Christianity and the religious right and they are drooling like Pavlov's Dogs.

Now to be fair, this family did this to themselves. They portrayed themselves to society as icons of moral values and religious purity. They tried to establish themselves as an example of "religion done right" and so when the skeletons came flying out of the closet all they could do is stand there and look stupid because we have seen quite clearly this is an example of "religion done wrong".

When someone else sets you on a pedestal and you fall off, it's their fault for having unrealistic expectations of you. But when you put yourself on that pedestal and say to the world "look at me up here" and you fall off...well....pfft....you have no one to blame but yourself for what happens to you.

Except they never set themselves up as icons of anything. They've always been very humble and self effacing. Other ppl resented them as they always resent Christians who are open about their walk. I guess ppl believe that Christians shouldn't openly embrace Christianity.No news there.

 

[Mertex]

And again you miss the point. Most 15 year old boys do know something about sex. The children of this family almost certainly do not. let me try to establish some things for you.

I'm not missing the point, you are. You are trying to explain away the reason for his behavior.....I really don't much care about the reason for his behavior....what I have been pointing out is that some of us realized that this dude was sick (regardless of what caused him to be sick) and really needed to be investigated (because we really don't have any proof that he has been rehabilitated from his crime of pedophilia). Some conservatives on another Josh Duggar thread were claiming that they were sure that he was okay, had been healed and posed no danger to other children and were reprimanding some of us for criticizing the fact that he got away with a crime. Those that defended him and vouched for his repentant attitude have not come forth to defend him this time, because his new scandal proves that those of us that weren't convinced of his redemption, were right.

Dude....a lot of Christians who post here are just as nuts as that family is. You are surprised that ultra-religious nut cases would defend other ultra-religious nut cases? Really?

True, a lot of the psuedo Christians who post here are just as nuts at that family, but there are some that I thought were smarter than that. Not all that were defending him are ultra-religious nut cases......you haven't been here long enough to make that kind of assumption. I believe their reason for defending him had more to do with the fact that a conservative candidate (Huckabee) had spoken on his behalf and they felt the need to defend anything a conservative says.

Not once did I ever say that his environment excused his behavior. In fact I have said the very opposite several times? My God, you are thick. Do you even bother to read what is written or do you just continue to pound your shoe on the table and completely ignore inconvenient points? If it's the latter I would like to introduce you to Carla Danger. You two will get along just fine.

You are the one that is thick. When you make a comment such as:

So put all this together and what do you expect to be the result? he no outlet at all so one day he sees his sister asleep and brushed his fingers over her breasts for a few seconds. Given the situation, would you really be surprised? As I said before, when there are no healthy or natural outlets, one will resort to unhealthy and unnatural outlets. That doesn't make it ok, but I sure as hell understand it.

what am I supposed to think. You are not even familiar with what he did. He didn't brush his fingers over their breasts, idiot......he was touching their genitals. Why don't you get familiar with the situation before trying to analyze it and then try to explain away the reason for his behavior.

You're right about one thing, I didn't read your entire diatribe. You are not an expert or psychologist to be trying to explain one person's behavior. The Duggars have other sons....and there are other families just like theirs....and their sons don't all turn out to be perverts.

You are just an arrogant moron trying to dazzle us with your sophomoric evaluation and you aren't even familiar with the events that took place. Take a hike.

 

[Mertex]

And again you miss the point. Most 15 year old boys do know something about sex. The children of this family almost certainly do not. let me try to establish some things for you.

I'm not missing the point, you are. You are trying to explain away the reason for his behavior.....I really don't much care about the reason for his behavior....what I have been pointing out is that some of us realized that this dude was sick (regardless of what caused him to be sick) and really needed to be investigated (because we really don't have any proof that he has been rehabilitated from his crime of pedophilia). Some conservatives on another Josh Duggar thread were claiming that they were sure that he was okay, had been healed and posed no danger to other children and were reprimanding some of us for criticizing the fact that he got away with a crime. Those that defended him and vouched for his repentant attitude have not come forth to defend him this time, because his new scandal proves that those of us that weren't convinced of his redemption, were right.

Dude....a lot of Christians who post here are just as nuts as that family is. You are surprised that ultra-religious nut cases would defend other ultra-religious nut cases? Really?

Now you and some others are trying to inform us that he grew up in a whacky environment........hello! We already knew that. As if that is an excuse from being held accountable for the crime he committed before. How he was raised doesn't excuse him from obeying the law. Josh Duggar is a lying scoundrel and the truth has finally come out. However, he has learned that all he has to do is act penitent and everyone in his family and others who were duped by his contrite behavior will be quick to forgive and forget. Probably the same people that are still holding Bill Clinton in low regard for his indiscretion some time back ......one that wasn't criminal and involved two consenting adults. If that's not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

Not once did I ever say that his environment excused his behavior. In fact I have said the very opposite several times? My God, you are thick. Do you even bother to read what is written or do you just continue to pound your shoe on the table and completely ignore inconvenient points? If it's the latter I would like to introduce you to Carla Danger. You two will get along just fine.

The Duggars aren't insane, and neither are "a lot of" the Christians who post here.

You most certainly appear to be insane.........and I think your type of attitude of hatred for anyone that doesn't think like you labels you more a psuedo Christian than a Christian.

 

[Mertex]

If the Duggars were a liberal family from Michigan they wouldn't give two shits about this situation.

That's a bunch of bullshit. If the Duggars were a liberal family they wouldn't be pushing the archaic bullshit this family proposes. You keep sounding more and more like you are defending them and then try to act like you are just analyzing the situation........bwahahaha.....you're insane.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"Now to be fair, this family did this to themselves. They portrayed themselves to society as icons of moral values and religious purity. They tried to establish themselves as an example of "religion done right" and so when the skeletons came flying out of the closet all they could do is stand there and look stupid because we have seen quite clearly this is an example of "religion done wrong"."

Yep.

All the time he's been thumping and ranting against consensual sex between adults, he was a pedophile, liar and cheat.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

And again you miss the point. Most 15 year old boys do know something about sex. The children of this family almost certainly do not. let me try to establish some things for you.

I'm not missing the point, you are. You are trying to explain away the reason for his behavior.....I really don't much care about the reason for his behavior....what I have been pointing out is that some of us realized that this dude was sick (regardless of what caused him to be sick) and really needed to be investigated (because we really don't have any proof that he has been rehabilitated from his crime of pedophilia). Some conservatives on another Josh Duggar thread were claiming that they were sure that he was okay, had been healed and posed no danger to other children and were reprimanding some of us for criticizing the fact that he got away with a crime. Those that defended him and vouched for his repentant attitude have not come forth to defend him this time, because his new scandal proves that those of us that weren't convinced of his redemption, were right.

Dude....a lot of Christians who post here are just as nuts as that family is. You are surprised that ultra-religious nut cases would defend other ultra-religious nut cases? Really?

Now you and some others are trying to inform us that he grew up in a whacky environment........hello! We already knew that. As if that is an excuse from being held accountable for the crime he committed before. How he was raised doesn't excuse him from obeying the law. Josh Duggar is a lying scoundrel and the truth has finally come out. However, he has learned that all he has to do is act penitent and everyone in his family and others who were duped by his contrite behavior will be quick to forgive and forget. Probably the same people that are still holding Bill Clinton in low regard for his indiscretion some time back ......one that wasn't criminal and involved two consenting adults. If that's not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

Not once did I ever say that his environment excused his behavior. In fact I have said the very opposite several times? My God, you are thick. Do you even bother to read what is written or do you just continue to pound your shoe on the table and completely ignore inconvenient points? If it's the latter I would like to introduce you to Carla Danger. You two will get along just fine.

The Duggars aren't insane, and neither are "a lot of" the Christians who post here.

You most certainly appear to be insane.........and I think your type of attitude of hatred for anyone that doesn't think like you labels you more a psuedo Christian than a Christian.

You're right about some RWs being unwilling to speak out against Huckster and of course, its not just his support of child predators like Duggars, Nugent, Duck Dynasty. They also don't care that a presidential candidate is selling phony cures for cancer and diabetes as well as those idiotic survival meals.

And notice - still not one word about the victims from people like koshergrl - not one word about what they've been through and what their parents continue to put them through with that horrible cult and pimping them out for profit.

 

[BluePhantom]

You are the one that is thick. When you make a comment such as:

So put all this together and what do you expect to be the result? he no outlet at all so one day he sees his sister asleep and brushed his fingers over her breasts for a few seconds. Given the situation, would you really be surprised? As I said before, when there are no healthy or natural outlets, one will resort to unhealthy and unnatural outlets. That doesn't make it ok, but I sure as hell understand it.

what am I supposed to think. You are not even familiar with what he did. He didn't brush his fingers over their breasts, idiot......he was touching their genitals. Why don't you get familiar with the situation before trying to analyze it and then try to explain away the reason for his behavior.

Well let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Here's the interview with the victims. let's see what they have to say about it on the record.



4:45 "Most of the stuff out there is lies, it's not true"

6:00 "The extent of it was mild inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims"

6:10 "We didn't even know about it until he went and confessed it to my parents"


Let's hear some more



9:25 "...he reached over the couch and touched their breasts while they were asleep over their clothes..."

Now that is from the mouths of the family and the victims. I didn't hear a single word about touching any genitalia. Josh has confessed to touching breasts, but only one girl that I can find has accused him of doing more than touching clothed breasts for a few seconds. However an allegation is not proof. I would think you liberals would know the difference between an allegation and a fact. He may have done more, but I can find no evidence of it.

I see this as a perfect example of a conservative Christian being confessing to doing something wrong, being accused of doing something more, and liberals foaming at the mouth and assuming the absolute worst. Had it been a conservative making accusations against a liberal, my strong suspicion is that the people carrying torches and pitchforks would instead be saying "well....you know there's a difference between an allegation and proof. Let's just wait for all the facts to come out".

You're right about one thing, I didn't read your entire diatribe. You are not an expert or psychologist to be trying to explain one person's behavior. The Duggars have other sons....and there are other families just like theirs....and their sons don't all turn out to be perverts.

How the hell do you know who I am? I very well might be an expert. You don't know. You are continuing to make assumption after assumption and insisting they are established fact. Perhaps you should read what i write in the future. That way you won't make yourself look stupid by pounding your shoe on the table about how I am making excuses for him when I am not. Your reaction simply establishes what I said earlier. You don't care one little bit about this situation or anything I am saying. You just want to stick it to some Republicans and you don't give a damn if it's true of not.

......you haven't been here long enough to make that kind of assumption.

I have been here longer than you dumb ass. Jesus what a tool. You raise hell about what I write and then admit you didn't even read what I wrote. Then you accuse me of not being here long enough to know what's going on when I have been around about a year and a half longer than you have. Try looking at the joined on dates before you start popping off. What a total jack ass.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Interestingly enough, Blue, the victims statement you quoted above did not include anything from the babysitter, who was also a victim.

 

[BluePhantom]

Interestingly enough, Blue, the victims statement you quoted above did not include anything from the babysitter, who was also a victim.

As far as I am aware the babysitter's statement has not been released. Please provide it for us if I am in error.

Additionally, I understand that the babysitter is suing Josh. Fine...that's her right and he should face the consequences if he in fact did as she claims. Until he is found guilty regarding the babysitter isn't he innocent until proven guilty? If you have the proof, by all means, please provide it and save the taxpayers the expense of a trial.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Interestingly enough, Blue, the victims statement you quoted above did not include anything from the babysitter, who was also a victim.

As far as I am aware the babysitter's statement has not been released. Please provide it for us if I am in error.

Additionally, I understand that the babysitter is suing Josh. Fine...that's her right and he should face the consequences if he in fact did as she claims. Until he is found guilty regarding the babysitter isn't he innocent until proven guilty? If you have the proof, by all means, please provide it and save the taxpayers the expense of a trial.

Well, Cosby is innocent, too, so everyone should just forget about it. I will add, however, that Josh admitted to the same behavior with the baby sitter, so that puts him in a little worse spot than Cosby, who denies everything. As to what the babysitter thinks about all this? Don't know, but presently the brainwashed Duggar girls as witnesses to the whole event without a similar statement from the babysitter pretty much makes their pleadings for their brother somewhat lame.

 

[BluePhantom]

Interestingly enough, Blue, the victims statement you quoted above did not include anything from the babysitter, who was also a victim.

As far as I am aware the babysitter's statement has not been released. Please provide it for us if I am in error.

Additionally, I understand that the babysitter is suing Josh. Fine...that's her right and he should face the consequences if he in fact did as she claims. Until he is found guilty regarding the babysitter isn't he innocent until proven guilty? If you have the proof, by all means, please provide it and save the taxpayers the expense of a trial.

Well, Cosby is innocent, too, so everyone should just forget about it. I will add, however, that Josh admitted to the same behavior with the baby sitter, so that puts him in a little worse spot than Cosby, who denies everything. As to what the babysitter thinks about all this? Don't know, but presently the brainwashed Duggar girls as witnesses to the whole event without a similar statement from the babysitter pretty much makes their pleadings for their brother somewhat lame.

In other words you can't

 

[BluePhantom]

Interestingly enough, Blue, the victims statement you quoted above did not include anything from the babysitter, who was also a victim.

As far as I am aware the babysitter's statement has not been released. Please provide it for us if I am in error.

Additionally, I understand that the babysitter is suing Josh. Fine...that's her right and he should face the consequences if he in fact did as she claims. Until he is found guilty regarding the babysitter isn't he innocent until proven guilty? If you have the proof, by all means, please provide it and save the taxpayers the expense of a trial.

Well, Cosby is innocent, too, so everyone should just forget about it. I will add, however, that Josh admitted to the same behavior with the baby sitter, so that puts him in a little worse spot than Cosby, who denies everything. As to what the babysitter thinks about all this? Don't know, but presently the brainwashed Duggar girls as witnesses to the whole event without a similar statement from the babysitter pretty much makes their pleadings for their brother somewhat lame.

In other words you can't

The Duke Lacrosse Team was accused of similar stuff too. How did that work out?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Josh is not in violation of the law, because he was never prosecuted, even though he confessed. He is still an asshole.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Interestingly enough, Blue, the victims statement you quoted above did not include anything from the babysitter, who was also a victim.

As far as I am aware the babysitter's statement has not been released. Please provide it for us if I am in error.

Additionally, I understand that the babysitter is suing Josh. Fine...that's her right and he should face the consequences if he in fact did as she claims. Until he is found guilty regarding the babysitter isn't he innocent until proven guilty? If you have the proof, by all means, please provide it and save the taxpayers the expense of a trial.

Well, Cosby is innocent, too, so everyone should just forget about it. I will add, however, that Josh admitted to the same behavior with the baby sitter, so that puts him in a little worse spot than Cosby, who denies everything. As to what the babysitter thinks about all this? Don't know, but presently the brainwashed Duggar girls as witnesses to the whole event without a similar statement from the babysitter pretty much makes their pleadings for their brother somewhat lame.

In other words you can't

The Duke Lacrosse Team was accused of similar stuff too. How did that work out?

Don't know anything about them. Did they confess to child abuse?

 

[TrinityPower]

If this happened when he was a teen I do not see how she can sue him after all this time when he was a minor as well and the records were suppose to be sealed except the chief of police decided to leak it to the press before retiring. And please stop comparing what Cosby did to this kid. The kid admitted to what he did,which was nothing compared to Bill. Cosby denies it to the point of having his wife come out and say the women asked to be drugged and raped. How long are your arms because that is quite the reach you got going.

 

[BluePhantom]

Josh is not in violation of the law, because he was never prosecuted, even though he confessed. He is still an asshole.

Josh is not in violation of the law, because he was never prosecuted, even though he confessed. He is still an asshole.

Yeah he is an asshle. Of course he is an asshole. But I think you are missing the point. He confessed to brushing his hands over clothed breasts while girls slept. The girls that have gone on record verify his version of events. His parents verify his version of events. Now sure they have a reason to lie. Of course they do.

But, to my knowledge at least, only one girl says it was more than that and, that I can find, there have been no statements of hers made public and no evidence produced to support her claim. If I am in error, then by all means, educate me by providing reliable documentation (in other words, Wiki and ET Online doesn't count for much) and I will humbly stand corrected.

So if that;s the case, why are the liberals screaming bloody murder and stating that he DID do certain things when they have no evidence to back up their claim? Could it be that their zeal to attack a conservative Christian is overwhelming the logical need for supporting evidence?

You know...a lot of liberals scream about religion saying "SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS!" Why do they need concrete proof about the existence of God, but a mere accusation against a Christian is to be taken as undeniable evidence? Doesn't that seem slightly suspect to you?

 

[BluePhantom]

Interestingly enough, Blue, the victims statement you quoted above did not include anything from the babysitter, who was also a victim.

As far as I am aware the babysitter's statement has not been released. Please provide it for us if I am in error.

Additionally, I understand that the babysitter is suing Josh. Fine...that's her right and he should face the consequences if he in fact did as she claims. Until he is found guilty regarding the babysitter isn't he innocent until proven guilty? If you have the proof, by all means, please provide it and save the taxpayers the expense of a trial.

Well, Cosby is innocent, too, so everyone should just forget about it. I will add, however, that Josh admitted to the same behavior with the baby sitter, so that puts him in a little worse spot than Cosby, who denies everything. As to what the babysitter thinks about all this? Don't know, but presently the brainwashed Duggar girls as witnesses to the whole event without a similar statement from the babysitter pretty much makes their pleadings for their brother somewhat lame.

In other words you can't

The Duke Lacrosse Team was accused of similar stuff too. How did that work out?

Don't know anything about them. Did they confess to child abuse?

No. They were accused of a gang rape. Three players were suspended. The coach was forced to resign in disgrace, they had to forfeit the season, scholarships were lost. The liberals howled and demanded blood because the alleged victim was black and the players were white. The liberal media crucified them on nothing more than a claim. Al Sharpton raised hell... and guess what? It was all a total lie by a girl who wanted to get money from the school. Lives and reputations destroyed because a girl saw an opportunity to cash in and get a free ride but it was all bullshit.

Now...Josh clearly engaged in inappropriate activity. He very well could have gone further with the babysitter than with his sisters. But that doesn't mean he DID. If he did, let him suffer the consequences. If not, then all these people condemning him without knowing the facts are going to look just as fucking stupid as he does. Follow me?

 

[TrinityPower]

From what I have found there is no evidence that she is suing. It says she MIGHT and that was according to anonymous sources. That doesn't sound real solid to me as it is being spun as already happened