Joe Mauer: AL MVP

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    I guess NL is announced tomorrow.

    Looks like a toss-up between Fielder and Pujols. Both their numbers are pretty similar, with Pujols having a higher average and OBP. Both have good gloves.

    I'm almost inclined to think Fielder wins just because it was close enough that it was worth picking someone other than Pujols for once. But then again, it was obvious at ballot time that St. Louis was going to be in the post season and Milwaukee wasn't.

    Pujols probably gets another one :rolleyes:

    I can't wait til he's outed on the juice.
     
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    Being around Tony L and now Mark McRoid does make you wonder about Albert.
     
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    "Looks like a toss-up between Fielder and Pujols"

    Judging from this statement, you are either a Brewers fan, or someone who doesn't watch much baseball.

    Albert Pujols IS the MVP of the NL. It's a slam-dunk, easy choice.

    Albert Pujols 2009: 124 R ... 47 HR ... 135 RBI ... 16 SB ... 115 BB ... .327 BA ... .443 OBP ... .658 SLG ... 1.101 OPS ... 2009 St. Louis Cardinals 91-71, 1st place in NL Central

    Prince Fielder 2009: 103 R ... 46 HR ... 141 RBI ... 2 SB ... 110 BB ... .299 BA ... .412 OBP ... .602 SLG ... 1.014 OPS ... 2009 Milwaukee Brewers 80-82, 3rd place in NL Central

    "Both have good gloves."

    No, that's really NOT the case. Pujols has a GOOD glove. Fielder has a mediocre glove.

    Fielder had a great 2009 season. But Pujols was better!

    "I'm almost inclined to think Fielder wins just because it was close enough that it was worth picking someone other than Pujols for once."

    Yeah, because we should start voting accolades to players, just because we are tired of one player being dominant. Yeah, that makes sense! Every MVP award Pujols has won, he's deserved.

    "I can't wait til he's outed on the juice."

    Sure, Pujols probably has done/is on, some kind of performance enhancing drug. But so are most of the players in major league baseball. As a baseball fan, it's something you have to come to terms with. Performance enhancing drugs and baseball, go hand-in-hand!
     
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    Slam dunk easy choice???

    Those numbers you show are almost identical except for Fielder's lower average and OBP, which I mentioned. And Pujols had more steals. WOW.

    As far as glove, Fielder's percentage this past season actually beat Pujols by .003, Fielder's glove has gotten much better. He had 7 errors all year, compared to Pujols' 13. But it's ME who doesn't watch much baseball??? :lol:

    Sorry buddy, but this year Pujols is not as much of a lock as he has been in years past. The numbers are close enough that I would be willing to consider Fielder if I was a writer with a vote. The only thing Pujols had going for him over Fielder that would make the vote go his way was what I also mentioned, that St. Louis was already figured to be making the playoffs and Milwaukee wasn't. To me, that's more valuable than the individual numbers. And like I said, it would probably go to Pujols because of that fact alone. Even with Fielder, the Brewers don't make the playoffs. But without Pujols, the Cardinals definitely don't.

    Funny how you admit he's probably juicing, but somehow still 'deserves' the award though.
     
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    "Those numbers you show are almost identical except for Fielder's lower average and OBP, which I mentioned. And Pujols had more steals. WOW."

    Your argument would be valid if it was just one or two categories in which Pujols had better numbers than Fielder in. But the reality is, Pujols has better numbers than Fielder in EVERY category, except RBI's, for which Fielder has 6 more than Pujols.

    Oh, and I almost forgot...

    Pujols team = 1st place, and made the playoffs

    Fielder's team= losing record

    Like I said, Albert Pujols IS the MVP of the NL. It's a SLAM-DUNK!

    "As far as glove, Fielder's percentage this past season actually beat Pujols by .003, Fielder's glove has gotten much better. He had 7 errors all year, compared to Pujols' 13. But it's ME who doesn't watch much baseball???"

    Wanna spot the out of touch baseball fan in the room? He's the guy who thinks that fielding percentage, and the amount of errors a player has, distinguishes his defensive ability, LOL. Pujols is a much better defensive 1st baseman than Fielder. Even after Fielder's good UZR numbers. Come on man, get it together!

    "Funny how you admit he's probably juicing, but somehow still 'deserves' the award though"

    Although he hasn't been caught yet, I feel like Pujols has done some sort of performance enhancing drug. But so what? Fielder has probably done them too. Players like Fielder, Bonds, Helton, Utley, Tejada, Pujols, ARod,.... I can keep going all day, have all probably done some sort of performance enhancing drug. The majority of players in baseball have done it. Pitchers, hitters, it doesn't matter. It's a game where people have been breaking the rules for over 100 years.
     
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    An obvious pick.
     
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    2 posts in here so far for you, and 2 posts where you've parroted something I already said. I've said TWICE so far that Pujols would probably get it because the Cardinals were a lock for the playoffs. WTF?

    And since when does fielding percentage and error total not distinguish a player's defensive ability??? Fielder stepped up his defense HUGE this year. But he doesn't have the body-type of most other 1st basemen so he can't move around with as much agility. For his size he played a damn good 1st base this year. If you want to take that away from him, be my guest. I simply don't agree.

    Worth mentioning is that Fielder's UZR was better than Tex's this year, and Tex has never been accused of having a bad glove. Food for thought, my man.
     
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    I love how you've already bailed on the fact that you said it was a "toss-up" between Pujols and Fielder for the NL MVP, LOL.

    Pujols wins the NL MVP, by a UNANIMOUS vote. IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE!

    Oh, and Prince Fielder finished FOURTH in the MVP voting, LOL!

    I'm guessing that's the last we hear from you!
     

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