Joe Mauer: AL MVP

[Andrew2382]

Posada is getting old...he is at the end of his years...Mauer would be the perfect replacement for him. Not like I am throwing away a posada at his prime

 

[Paulie]

Posada is getting old...he is at the end of his years...Mauer would be the perfect replacement for him. Not like I am throwing away a posada at his prime

Don't mind me, I'm drinking for the first time in a month. just trying to have some fun.

Keep Mauer in the AL, PLEASE, lol

 

[Xenophon]

Posada is getting old...he is at the end of his years...Mauer would be the perfect replacement for him. Not like I am throwing away a posada at his prime

Cervelli is the heir apparent, Mauer is the one Twin who they will resign in Minny I believe.

 

[Oddball]

They didn't let Santana and Hunter get away because they were saving up for a new Schwinn Stingray.

 

[Xenophon]

They didn't let Santana and Hunter get away because they were saving up for a new Schwinn Stingray.

Santana hasn't exactly set the world on fire as a Met.

In fact it looks like the Twins did the right thing trading him instead of paying through the nose for him.

 

[Paulie]

They didn't let Santana and Hunter get away because they were saving up for a new Schwinn Stingray.

Santana hasn't exactly set the world on fire as a Met.

In fact it looks like the Twins did the right thing trading him instead of paying through the nose for him.

The Mets got Santana for one main reason, and that was to shut Philly down.

And they've accomplished that, because he usually DOES shut us down.

Granted, it hasn't gotten them to the post-season, but they had and still HAVE, more issues than just needing a #1 in the rotation.

It doesn't help when half your lineup is banged up at one point or another throughout the season.

I feel all dirty now, making excuses for the Mets

 

[Xenophon]

They got Santana to be an ace, his numbers are hardly overwhelming as a Met:

2008 NYM W16 L7 ERA2.53
2009 NYM W13 L9 ERA3.13

 

[Paulie]

you can't tell me part of their motivation wasn't to try and shut down "the team to beat" in their division.

What are his numbers against Philly, just out of curiosity?

 

[Andrew2382]

Posada is getting old...he is at the end of his years...Mauer would be the perfect replacement for him. Not like I am throwing away a posada at his prime

Cervelli is the heir apparent, Mauer is the one Twin who they will resign in Minny I believe.

agreed...hes a native and they are going to throw a lot of money at him with the new stadium coming

 

[Andrew2382]

They got Santana to be an ace, his numbers are hardly overwhelming as a Met:

2008 NYM W16 L7 ERA2.53
2009 NYM W13 L9 ERA3.13

2.53 era is pretty sick
and he got hurt in 09

he is still a top 3 pitcher when healthy.

mets actually have a good team on paper when they aren't all on wheelchairs

 

[Xenophon]

They got Santana to be an ace, his numbers are hardly overwhelming as a Met:

2008 NYM W16 L7 ERA2.53
2009 NYM W13 L9 ERA3.13

2.53 era is pretty sick
and he got hurt in 09

he is still a top 3 pitcher when healthy.

mets actually have a good team on paper when they aren't all on wheelchairs

The W-L is an issue, and I have been following him because I have him in a keeper league, he isn't the pitcher he was in Minny.

Mets have some serious holes, LF, 1B, Cat and a very weak Starting staff, and that is when they are 100%.

 

[Andrew2382]

ehh i'll argue this all day with you. The wins and losses aren't his fault. If he is pitching to a 2.53 era then he isn't getting run support. Thats not his problem.

 

[SenseCommon]

I bailed on nothing, newbie.

Go back and read my first fucking post you idiot. The tone of my post eventually lead to me alluding to the fact that it seemed obvious that the vote would lean more towards Pujols, and for the same damn reasons you continued to parrot me on. Please stop being a retard.

As far as Fielder finishing fourth, ESPECIALLY the fact that he finished after Howard, is beyond me. But it's not like it's the first time someone was snubbed for votes for an award.

Let's hear again about how UZR is the only determining factor in a player's defensive ability And then explain how that can possibly be so when Tex's was lower than Fielder's and Tex won the gold glove.

By the way NEWBIE, I'm not a Brewers fan. I'm a Phillies fan and I STILL think Fielder got snubbed for votes over Howard.

Put some time in around here before you run your mouth and look like a fucking moron.

LOL, I love how you try to use the fact that I'm new to this board, as some sort of insult. LOL, what a nerd! A life doesn't begin once you join a message board, douche!

Wow, you've backpedaled so much, I can barely see anymore! The fact remains, you made the following statement: "The MVP is a TOSSUP between Pujols and Fielder" And what happened? Pujols was a UNANIMOUS pick for the MVP award, while Fielder finished FOURTH! LOL, you are an idiot!

UZR isn't the only defensive saber-metric to define a players defensive ability. FRAR, SFR, and WARP, are a few of the others. Only an out of touch baseball fan thinks that something as trivial as fielding percentage, and the amount of errors a player has, distinguishes his defensive ability. I'm sitting here embarrassed at your naivety!

The fact that you are new to this board is what had you thinking I was a Brewers fan simply because I advocated Fielder.

Fielder had better numbers all around over Howard. If I was a voter, even though I'm a Phils fan, I would still vote Fielder. Howard has some things about his game that need improving before he gets consideration for such a prestigious award again.

Why can someone not say it's a PERSONAL toss up, and then in the same breath say that the WRITERS will probably lean towards Pujols? What is it that you don't seem to fucking understand about that?

Btw, talk about backpeddling...don't fucking use UZR as your only justification and then BACKPEDDLE to other stats when you've been shown up on your ignorance of it.

And yeah, you're an uninformed newbie trying to pop shit against someone you don't know well enough to pull such a thing off on. Call it nerd if you want, but you still look like a fucking idiot.

Go talk about baked goods in the "Food" subforum where you belong.

Let me go over the facts one more time. I'll type slow so you can keep up....

"Looks like a toss-up between Fielder and Pujols. Both their numbers are pretty similar, with Pujols having a higher average and OBP. Both have good gloves"

This is what you said. Stop trying to hide from your own ignorance! It's just stupid!

"Btw, talk about backpeddling...don't fucking use UZR as your only justification and then BACKPEDDLE to other stats when you've been shown up on your ignorance of it."

Here's the statement you were referring too....

"Wanna spot the out of touch baseball fan in the room? He's the guy who thinks that fielding percentage, and the amount of errors a player has, distinguishes his defensive ability, LOL. Pujols is a much better defensive 1st baseman than Fielder. Even after Fielder's good UZR numbers. Come on man, get it together!"

Where in that statement did I say that UZR was the only justification for a players defensive ability? I simple brought up UZR in passing, as I called you out for your very dated, very naive, baseball knowledge. Furthermore, Pujols had an obviously better UZR than Fielder. On all accounts, you're just dumb!

Then, when you made this statement...

"Let's hear again about how UZR is the only determining factor in a player's defensive ability And then explain how that can possibly be so when Tex's was lower than Fielder's and Tex won the gold glove."

I replied, giving you more defensive saber-metrics, which judge a players defensive ability. NOBODY uses the amount of errors a player makes, nor his fielding percentage, as a distinguishing factor among players at the same position. It's just stupid! You're the same type of idiot baseball fan, who thinks that the amount of wins a starting pitcher has, is important!

"The fact that you are new to this board is what had you thinking I was a Brewers fan simply because I advocated Fielder."

This is that statement you were referring too....

"Judging from this statement, you are either a Brewers fan, or someone who doesn't watch much baseball."

Now that very clearly states that there are only two reasons for your incredibly stupid initial post. Those reasons are that you're either a Brewers fan, or that you're someone who doesn't watch much baseball. I think I made my point about which one you are!

You've been called out on your lies. You've been called out on your dumb statments. And you've been called out on your backpedaling. Man up, admit that you're an idiot, and make yourself a better person from all this. If not, I will be forced to continually call you out on your idiocity!

Thanks!

 

[Paulie]

Their starting staff certainly isn't in need because of Santana though. When you're relying on guys like Maine, Perez, and Pelfrey, what else do you expect?

And Brian Schneider is another guy who kills the Phillies. It seems like every time he's up he's getting a hit or knocking someone in.

I agree about 1st though, Delgado is finished.

 

[Paulie]

I will be forced to continually call you out on your idiocity!

I'm not even going to comment on any of your other blather than this.

you fucking moron.

 

[SenseCommon]

They got Santana to be an ace, his numbers are hardly overwhelming as a Met:

2008 NYM W16 L7 ERA2.53
2009 NYM W13 L9 ERA3.13

2.53 era is pretty sick
and he got hurt in 09

he is still a top 3 pitcher when healthy.

mets actually have a good team on paper when they aren't all on wheelchairs

The W-L is an issue, and I have been following him because I have him in a keeper league, he isn't the pitcher he was in Minny.

Are you seriously judging a starting pitcher, by his W-L record?

Santana has been GREAT with the Mets! He's the same pitcher with the Mets, than he was with Twins.

Are you all baseball retarded?

 

[SenseCommon]

I will be forced to continually call you out on your idiocity!

I'm not even going to comment on any of your other blather than this.

you fucking moron.

This is what you call "the cowards way out". Instead of focusing on the substance of what was written, you hide behind a mistyped word. Yeah, take the slow, pussy way out. If I wanted to pick apart your grammar, I'd still be correcting words!

 

[Xenophon]

ehh i'll argue this all day with you. The wins and losses aren't his fault. If he is pitching to a 2.53 era then he isn't getting run support. Thats not his problem.

Actually they are, and that is wrong with a lot of modern followers of the game.

The ENTIRE point of starters is TO WIN GAMES.

The fact that there are a number of picthers who won on bad teams proves it IS about the pitcher, not the team around him.

If it was 'the team' Tom Seaver would have been just another player, Steve Carlton forgotten, Jake peavy a bum, Randy Johnson a stiff and so on.

Claiming that W-L doesn't matter is bullshit.

We both know the two Cy Youngs this year where wrong, they used 'other criteria' to pass over more deserving pitchers based on new age stats like the laughable 'quality start'.

 

[Oddball]

Zack Greinke totally deserved the Cy Young.

 

[Andrew2382]

xeno


it's not the pitchers problem if he is giving up an average of 2 runs per game and isn't getting wins becuase his team isn't giving him the run support


that is idiotic logic.

You can't expect pitchers to throw shut outs every game. Give Santana run support of 3.5+ and he probably wins over 20 games that year.